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Post#341 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:45 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Drummond is big time empty stats who has historically had minimal impact on both sides of the ball, but the guy gets rebounds, and I think in his proper role as like a 4th option on offense that is mainly used as a lob/roll threat and actually focuses on defense, he can be a very good contributor. Which is why I think he’s had zero value in places like Detroit and Cleveland, but could be extremely helpful for us.


All about fit, Dwight Howard was poisonous on bad young teams but extremely valuable on a Lakers team playing his role alongside Lebron and AD.

Drummond will be a roided up version of last season's Dwight if he suits up in black and white, god save the league.


dwight can defend, rim run, and play pick and roll.

Thats not drummonds game. im positive drummond would take less to be on a winner, but then that really minizes him to a glorified reggie evans.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#342 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:24 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Drummond is big time empty stats who has historically had minimal impact on both sides of the ball, but the guy gets rebounds, and I think in his proper role as like a 4th option on offense that is mainly used as a lob/roll threat and actually focuses on defense, he can be a very good contributor. Which is why I think he’s had zero value in places like Detroit and Cleveland, but could be extremely helpful for us.


All about fit, Dwight Howard was poisonous on bad young teams but extremely valuable on a Lakers team playing his role alongside Lebron and AD.

Drummond will be a roided up version of last season's Dwight if he suits up in black and white, god save the league.


dwight can defend, rim run, and play pick and roll.

Thats not drummonds game. im positive drummond would take less to be on a winner, but then that really minizes him to a glorified reggie evans.


On the flip side Drummond is more mobile and a far better offensive rebounder compared to Dwight. He would wreck havok playing off the big 3, wouldn't be fair at all.

As a guy who's never played with a guard that was as good as him I give him a pass on having some iso tendencies. Perhaps an optimists view but he will be a different beast on this current nets team.
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Post#343 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:30 pm

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All about fit, Dwight Howard was poisonous on bad young teams but extremely valuable on a Lakers team playing his role alongside Lebron and AD.

Drummond will be a roided up version of last season's Dwight if he suits up in black and white, god save the league.


dwight can defend, rim run, and play pick and roll.

Thats not drummonds game. im positive drummond would take less to be on a winner, but then that really minizes him to a glorified reggie evans.


On the flip side Drummond is more mobile and a far better offensive rebounder compared to Dwight. He would wreck havok playing off the big 3, wouldn't be fair at all.

As a guy who's never played with a guard that was as good as him I give him a pass on having some iso tendencies. Perhaps an optimists view but he will be a different beast on this current nets team.


how much offensive rebounding do you need with 4 elite shooters on the floor? I like solving defensive rebounding, but i need that to come with defense.

i dont see him as a better fit then mcgee. but he clearly would help us. maybe with the second unit maybe with starters but huge upgrade to perry at the least
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#344 » by OneZilion » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:32 pm

Drummond would be huge for nets! It will solve biggest problem in rebounding and bring strong presence inside.
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Post#345 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:37 pm

I just think a beast on the offensive boards like Drummond with the big 3 and Joe will be the greatest offense of all time. Your only defense to that lineup at times is just hoping for a miss but then you got the best offensive rebound in the league waiting to eat if that happens.

Offense like that covers up a lot of defensive weaknesses. However if we get Drummond I'd rather relegate Deandre to cheerleader and get a young spry defensive 5 as the backup
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Post#346 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:47 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:I just think a beast on the offensive boards like Drummond with the big 3 and Joe will be the greatest offense of all time. Your only defense to that lineup at times is just hoping for a miss but then you got the best offensive rebound in the league waiting to eat if that happens.

Offense like that covers up a lot of defensive weaknesses. However if we get Drummond I'd rather relegate Deandre to cheerleader and get a young spry defensive 5 as the backup


all of that aout being the best offense all time is true with or without drummond. i can also see us being better offensively with deandre as a pick and roll threat vs. drummond as a second chance threat.

we have already scored 130+ and lost. we have plenty of offense. give me mcgee if i have a choice. i think if we bring in drummond it gets better, ut alot of the same issues are there
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Post#347 » by DarkXaero » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:53 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:If we get Drummond and Ariza its over.

Addresses our biggest weaknesses and would cost nothing.

I would love to bring Ellington back too for some shooting off the bench.


the last time i saw ariza he was looking pretty bummy. i think we need younger more athletic wings. id rather RHJ and punt on shooting then watch ariza disappoint me for a month before TLC gets his minutes.

co-sign on ellington though. give him shamets role until shamet decides to hit shots.
The last time we saw Ariza, he was actually looking very good on the Trailblazers. He was averaging 11 PPG on 40% from 3pt, 64% TS% overall, while being a plus defender (which he has been over his career). That player would be a huge upgrade on TLC.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#348 » by DarkXaero » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:58 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Drummond would feast offensively because the Big 3 are all more than willing to dish to the big man, and he immediately resolves our rebounding issue. Get this done and add a wing defender and we are finals bound.


I wouldnt be so sure he would. He isnt a bigman who scores a ton off pick and roll, or lobs, or feed or transition. he needs touches. he is accustom to 25-30% usage, post ups, baseline isos. i mean he would give more then jordan on pure points because of his offensive rebound work, but i dont think he would make us better offensively then jordan who is a real PNR threat.

I think drummond would feast on second units, but we dont fix defense with him either. id obviouslly take him. he is 10000 times better then perry and fixes rebounds anytime he is on the floor. but id prefer mcgee and maybe dedmon to him
Interestingly, when Drummond had a super low usage rate in his first two years in the NBA, he was a far more efficient player than he is now. I think with the lower usage rate, if he's willing to buy in, he could return to being that type of high efficiency center. But one thing is a given with Drummond regardless, and its that he's a GOAT tier rebounder. Drummond has the tools to play good defense too but a lot of that is mental with him, and he has to stay locked in for every possession. I don't know how you can say that you'd prefer McGee when Drummond is clearly the better player regardless.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#349 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:17 pm

Drummond and Thad Young are my dream buyout acquisitions.

They would make the Nets an average defense team with the possibility of being above average in the playoffs if everyone locks in. It would also allow them to go toe to toe with the size of the Lakers, Clippers, 6ers and Pacers.
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Post#350 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:22 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Drummond would feast offensively because the Big 3 are all more than willing to dish to the big man, and he immediately resolves our rebounding issue. Get this done and add a wing defender and we are finals bound.


I wouldnt be so sure he would. He isnt a bigman who scores a ton off pick and roll, or lobs, or feed or transition. he needs touches. he is accustom to 25-30% usage, post ups, baseline isos. i mean he would give more then jordan on pure points because of his offensive rebound work, but i dont think he would make us better offensively then jordan who is a real PNR threat.

I think drummond would feast on second units, but we dont fix defense with him either. id obviouslly take him. he is 10000 times better then perry and fixes rebounds anytime he is on the floor. but id prefer mcgee and maybe dedmon to him
Interestingly, when Drummond had a super low usage rate in his first two years in the NBA, he was a far more efficient player than he is now. I think with the lower usage rate, if he's willing to buy in, he could return to being that type of high efficiency center. But one thing is a given with Drummond regardless, and its that he's a GOAT tier rebounder. Drummond has the tools to play good defense too but a lot of that is mental with him, and he has to stay locked in for every possession. I don't know how you can say that you'd prefer McGee when Drummond is clearly the better player regardless.


it is really not about who is the better player. that is clearly drummond. and as far as offensive efficiency, jordan is efficient cause all he does is dunk. thats the role of a center in our offense. catch a lob or feed and dunk.

The rebounding he provides is great. but thats a lesser concern then defense. and i think McGee is the much better defender. I think people would be hating on drummond the way they had on deandre in a few weeks when they realize he didnt help our defense, his offense is diminishing returns when we already score 120 a game, and his rebouding his good but not great impact.

again i think he will help. but if i had a choice, its easily mcgee for me.
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Post#351 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:24 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Drummond and Thad Young are my dream buyout acquisitions.

They would make the Nets an average defense team with the possibility of being above average in the playoffs if everyone locks in. It would also allow them to go toe to toe with the size of the Lakers, Clippers, 6ers and Pacers.


The would help reboudning, and by limiting 2nd chance points would affect our defense positively. i dont think either are better then current counterparts (Jordan/Green) defensively. Thad looks better surrounded by solid defense with a defensive minded coach in indy, but was a revolving door his career before that, especially here. i certainly wouldnt want both of them. drummond/RHJ or McGee/Thad sure.

but we need a guy who makes a difference on defense with more then just rebounding
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#352 » by 3pt_chucker » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:45 pm

Ehhh not that excited about Drummond. Obviously would take him post buyout but he just doesn't feel like a inning player. Yes the team needs improved rebounding but they also a defensive anchor which Drummond is not. He's a much better fit as a back-up Center but I highly doubt he'd agree to play behind DJ.

Also would he just be a happy being a lob guy/offensive rebounds? because that is his best fit. If so, then he'd be a fantastic fit.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#353 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:49 pm

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I wouldnt be so sure he would. He isnt a bigman who scores a ton off pick and roll, or lobs, or feed or transition. he needs touches. he is accustom to 25-30% usage, post ups, baseline isos. i mean he would give more then jordan on pure points because of his offensive rebound work, but i dont think he would make us better offensively then jordan who is a real PNR threat.

I think drummond would feast on second units, but we dont fix defense with him either. id obviouslly take him. he is 10000 times better then perry and fixes rebounds anytime he is on the floor. but id prefer mcgee and maybe dedmon to him
Interestingly, when Drummond had a super low usage rate in his first two years in the NBA, he was a far more efficient player than he is now. I think with the lower usage rate, if he's willing to buy in, he could return to being that type of high efficiency center. But one thing is a given with Drummond regardless, and its that he's a GOAT tier rebounder. Drummond has the tools to play good defense too but a lot of that is mental with him, and he has to stay locked in for every possession. I don't know how you can say that you'd prefer McGee when Drummond is clearly the better player regardless.


it is really not about who is the better player. that is clearly drummond. and as far as offensive efficiency, jordan is efficient cause all he does is dunk. thats the role of a center in our offense. catch a lob or feed and dunk.

The rebounding he provides is great. but thats a lesser concern then defense. and i think McGee is the much better defender. I think people would be hating on drummond the way they had on deandre in a few weeks when they realize he didnt help our defense, his offense is diminishing returns when we already score 120 a game, and his rebouding his good but not great impact.

again i think he will help. but if i had a choice, its easily mcgee for me.


McGee also has terrible IQ and makes idiotic plays constantly.

I also don't really buy that hes better defensively. Yes hes more athletic and can block shots but hes not strong enough to guard players like Embiid or Giannis.

He also really can't play more than 15-20 minutes without losing effectiveness.

Also Drummond's rebounding will inherently help our defense a ton anyway by giving us far more possessions.

In order for Drummond to be the best version of himself he has to buy in and basically realize he won't get any shots with the Big 3 being here.

All we need him to do is guard the paint and get rebounds.

I think hes smart enough to realize that.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#354 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:54 pm

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McGee also has terrible IQ and makes idiotic plays constantly.


I dont think that is the case. it was in denver. he is a much better player then that. he actually has a really high bbiq. Drummond on the other hand takes a ton of questionable shots

I also don't really buy that hes better defensively. Yes hes more athletic and can block shots but hes not strong enough to guard players like Embiid or Giannis.
He absolutely is. the guys is 7 foot 275 pounds.

He also really can't play more than 15-20 minutes without losing effectiveness.


you can get 40 minutes from him and jordan and then 8 small ball with green

Also Drummond's rebounding will inherently help our defense a ton anyway by giving us far more possessions.
. help yes. a ton? i dont know about a ton. i dont think it will help as much as limiting the quality of looks/layups/etc.

In order for Drummond to be the best version of himself he has to buy in and basically realize he won't get any shots with the Big 3 being here.

All we need him to do is guard the paint and get rebounds.

I think hes smart enough to realize that.


i have 0 doubt he will buy in. i ahve no doubt he will rebound. i dont think he will defend. i think mcgee would. i could certainly be wrong. Drummond will help just by rebounding and being 100 times better then perry. but i dont think he helps us enough to make us an avg defense. i think mcgee does do that
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#355 » by Paradise » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:09 pm

KD on Drummond last year:

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Post#356 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:52 pm

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Drummond and Thad Young are my dream buyout acquisitions.

They would make the Nets an average defense team with the possibility of being above average in the playoffs if everyone locks in. It would also allow them to go toe to toe with the size of the Lakers, Clippers, 6ers and Pacers.


The would help reboudning, and by limiting 2nd chance points would affect our defense positively. i dont think either are better then current counterparts (Jordan/Green) defensively. Thad looks better surrounded by solid defense with a defensive minded coach in indy, but was a revolving door his career before that, especially here. i certainly wouldnt want both of them. drummond/RHJ or McGee/Thad sure.

but we need a guy who makes a difference on defense with more then just rebounding


Both guys were top 20 in steals and deflections last year and had positive defensive impact stats despite playing on awful teams. I don’t understand why anyone would prefer objectively inferior players like McGee and RHJ.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#357 » by Papi_swav » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:14 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Drummond and Thad Young are my dream buyout acquisitions.

They would make the Nets an average defense team with the possibility of being above average in the playoffs if everyone locks in. It would also allow them to go toe to toe with the size of the Lakers, Clippers, 6ers and Pacers.

Thad young will be great because he is the "Lebron stopper"
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#358 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:30 pm

Drummond would automatically improve our defense by protecting the defensive glass.

If we cut down on 2nd chance opps we start blowing teams out left and right
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Post#359 » by DarkXaero » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:38 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Drummond would automatically improve our defense by protecting the defensive glass.

If we cut down on 2nd chance opps we start blowing teams out left and right
Drummond isn't a terrible defender in the first place either. When locked in, he can actually be very good. His problem is that he can mentally check out on defensive possessions, and he has habits that won't fly on a championship contender. But he is experienced enough to know what he has to do if he were to come here.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#360 » by therealbig3 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:45 pm

McGee is an awful defender imo, not sure why anyone would think he’d help us more than Drummond on that end. McGee is legit one of the lowest IQ players of all time, and that includes defense.

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