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[Jersey Generals]

LOL at the last couple of posts. Some terrible ideas being thrown about. And whoever thinks this is directed at them, all I can is: Come at me, bro.


No, but seriously, terrible ideas.

[HelloBrooklyn]

If they have the same problem, why would we want to compound that problem?

Like most sports, the best players are really the smartest ones who use their physical tools to the best of their abilities. Whenever you couple great athleticism with great sport-IQ, you usually get an awesome player. Peyton Manning succeeds not because he's the best athlete but because he understands the intricacies of the game down to the smallest minutia of facts, and he uses what athletic ability he does have to make him succeed.

Jordan was the GOAT because he combined his physical skills with a mind that knew the game, and therefore maximized the effectiveness that outstanding physical tools could have on the game. Same with KAJ, Wilt, Russell, and all the greats.

Hump and Tyson are both athletic guys but they just don't get it mentally. You can have all the athleticism in the world, but if you don't understand how to use those tools properly to succeed at your sport, you won't be one of the best.

Just look at Kidd. One of the oldest dudes in the league, but is still getting it done, because he's simply smarter than everyone on the court. He knows how he can be effective and what makes him so good is that Kidd actually knows how to make his teammates effective as well.

The problem with Kris Humphries is because he simply can't execute due to lack of talent. He is not a good enough finisher, he has butter fingers, and his arms are too short be a descent shot-blocker. With Tyrus Thomas, he has a 7-3 wingspan and one of the quickest, fastest, athletic big man in the game. If Avery controls his role exactly the way he did with Hump should give us a better production than Hump gave us since he is a lot more talented the Hump.

You are correct, the best player are usually the smartest one. However, the problem with your logic is that you don't need a team of high b-ballIQ in order to be successful. We wouldn't be asking Tyrus Thomas to be a player we look up upon that's D-Will's, Joey's, and Brook's job. Tyrus or anyone's role at the PF in our team will just be a player who needs to bring an impact towards the game.

Ok Peyton Manning, do you think Joseph Addai is a smart player? As for Jordan, era do you think Dennis Rodman is a smart player? Yet weren't they champions?

You say Tyson is has a low b-ball IQ yet, he won a championship.

So what is your point on having about having a low basketball IQ player?

If Thomas was a player worth keeping, the several teams he played (including the Bulls) would've kept him. For all of the highlight plays we have seen him make, it's all of the other dumb stuff he does and the fact that he can't play starter PF minutes because he doesn't have the size or weight to bang down low for 30+mpg. The Bulls realized that and got rid of him.

Tyrus Thomas played for 2 teams. Bobcats and the Bulls. Tyrus Thomas got injured which Taj Gibson took over. He was successful taking over so they traded him to the Bobcats. It's not because he is a dumb player.. He overplays his cards the way Kris did. This is why I think he can be a good player. He also played well in Bulls. They just somehow landed Taj so they needed to let him go.

You lost me here.

A player's BBIQ doesn't have a negative effect if he's used in an area where his BBIQ isn't that bad or he's reduced to doing only the things he does well and nothing more.

Andray Blatche did not fit the role of a starting PF, because in order to be successful at that position, you have to be able to outwit opposing PFs on a consistent basis. Even with the talent he has, we've seen plenty of head scratching incidents where Blatche still reverts to doing stupid stuff.

On our team, Blatche is the backup C. Instead of playing him 30+mpg (like the Wizards did in order to justify the contract they gave him), he plays 10-15 mpg when Lopez is healthy. He's got less time to a bonehead than he used to have and simply having him off the floor reduces the number of dumb stuff he does that serve as detriment to our team.

Same with Javale McGee. Amazing physical tools, but some of the worst BBIQ in the league. Denver puts him in a position where he just needs to run, rebound, and block shots. If and when he ever tries to do more than that, he gets yanked for someone else. DEN gave him a contract in the hopes that he'll finally put it together but they know good and well that McGee's BBIQ can easily negate the benefits of his physical tools.

Have you seen him play???

How do you compare Tyrus Thomas to Javale Mcgee and Blatche? He is more comparable to Hump. Remmber how hump played in the 12 game winning season?

Second of all.. We moved Blatche to the Center Position because of the lack of talent in the center position in FA and NBA is going smaller since everyone is matching up against the Heat AND euro-basketball is evolving.

'd rather take Nene's contract, even though it's more expensive than Tyrus' contract simply because what Nene brings to our team is much more valuable and nets a greater positive effect than what Tyrus does.

That's why I don't like Thomas' contract. He gets paid too much and will not do enough to make us better.

I never liked Nene. This maybe a bias I just don't see him fitting well in this team especially right next to Lopez.

There are many reasons why both deals are unlikely.

You have to take in finances, how much is the player worth to a team, whether they actually fit the team, their abilities, etc.

We may not be able to land Illy for Hump, but it wouldn't solely be because MIL doesn't like Hump's ability.

Hump does not possess a skill that MIL wants or needs, therefore they're probably not interested in that trade. However, if they hate having Illy's contract on the books and he doesn't play that much, it may be a greater desire for them to get rid of Illy and absorb Hump's contract simply because Illy's lack of playing time and his contract are more pressing/negative concerns for them than Hump's value.

I'm pretty sure it's because Hump is becoming more exposed. I just don't see him having any real value at all unless he is an expiring.

[deepblueday]

jesus christ dude i agree with many of your posts in this thread but your writing **** paragraphs arguing for tyrus thomas as the solution at the 4. he is literally worse than kris humphries at everything. he's a terrible, 12th man type... and you like him because he has a 7'3 wingspan. do you know how useless that is if you have no skill or positional sense on either end?

[HelloBrooklyn]

LOL at the last couple of posts. Some terrible ideas being thrown about. And whoever thinks this is directed at them, all I can is: Come at me, bro.


No, but seriously, terrible ideas.

i actually think you're very knowledgable to NBA rules, contract, etc. You also only post on the things you know and doesn't talk about nonsense. which I have respect for. Anyway, if you want to get in about the debate your more than welcome to say you opinion.

[HelloBrooklyn]

jesus christ dude i agree with many of your posts in this thread but your writing **** paragraphs arguing for tyrus thomas as the solution at the 4. he is literally worse than kris humphries at everything. he's a terrible, 12th man type... and you like him because he has a 7'3 wingspan. do you know how useless that is if you have no skill or positional sense on either end?

You gotta read at the beginning of the whole thing. There are many reasons why I like him. You also need to look at his advance stats and compare it to Humphries. I can definitely see him being a better product of Avery.

[vincecarter4pres]

You really think entirely too high of yourself and your own intelligence.

You'd be a dangerous psychologist or psychiatrist that's for sure with your attitude.

You should consider a different field of study and profession, I'd guarantee you're going to ruin a lot of lives.

You're right. I wouldn't do this to my patients. I'm a good manipulator so I just like messing with people.

What have you manipulated lol, the douche time continuum?

I figured you'd take that as me meaning you were successful in "toying" with me.

Idiot.

And you aren't toying with anyone, what you like to call toying everyone else calls trolling.

Please don't talk about attitudes. Everytime I see your post 90% of it has a backhanded insults. I just like taking it to another level to mess with you.

What level have you taken this to lol?

God you're a tool.

That's really all this is. You're a troll, a dick and a tool. You think you're messing with me but you have no observational skills or self awareness so you don't realize I always post in a worked up manner, so it's not like you're getting to me or something, you're just massively annoying.

90% of my posts are backhanded insults? Pretty much only to you cause you're annoying.

[rj2496]

If you're a psych major, what attracts you to the mind of Tyrus Thomas?

I like him because he plays hard and plays with a lot of heart. We got a player like Deron who seem as a terrible leader ATM. If we can't motivate him we need to change the culture around him. Meaning we need to add more players who cares like G. Wallace, Evans. I see Gerald Henderson, and Tyrus Thomas bringing that type of mentality in this team.

You also don't need a smart player to able to play sports. Frank Gore has a low IQ in general. Yet, he's a star player in the 49ers. A lot of players in sports doesn't have high IQ they react mostly on instincts.

You do not want Tyrus Thomas's attitude on this team, I'll tell you that. He's the last player this team needs. Not even sure why his name has been brought up. You thinking bringing in Tyrus Thomas will change Derons attitude? WUT?

[vincecarter4pres]

If you're a psych major, what attracts you to the mind of Tyrus Thomas?

I like him because he plays hard and plays with a lot of heart. We got a player like Deron who seem as a terrible leader ATM. If we can't motivate him we need to change the culture around him. Meaning we need to add more players who cares like G. Wallace, Evans. I see Gerald Henderson, and Tyrus Thomas bringing that type of mentality in this team.

You also don't need a smart player to able to play sports. Frank Gore has a low IQ in general. Yet, he's a star player in the 49ers. A lot of players in sports doesn't have high IQ they react mostly on instincts.

You do not want Tyrus Thomas's attitude on this team, I'll tell you that. He's the last player this team needs. Not even sure why his name has been brought up. You thinking bringing in Tyrus Thomas will change Derons attitude? WUT?

This is the **** that makes this dude so annoying.

He'll kill Deron for being a leader and then directly infer Ty Thomas is a good leader and Deron needs to be surrounded with players and people like him.

It's like this is either a troll or the guy is just mental.

Then when you don't agree with him and call him on the nonsense squared he starts slinging all types of personal insults.

At least my insults were just joke around stuff at first when he started posting here until he became a dick.

For whatever reason he started **** with me from day 1 on these boards though. I know I'm a prick a lot of the time lol, but it was really unprovoked, I get a strong feeling he's a PBP.

/end cool story bro

[bobbyc]

jesus christ dude i agree with many of your posts in this thread but your writing **** paragraphs arguing for tyrus thomas as the solution at the 4. he is literally worse than kris humphries at everything. he's a terrible, 12th man type... and you like him because he has a 7'3 wingspan. do you know how useless that is if you have no skill or positional sense on either end?

You gotta read at the beginning of the whole thing. There are many reasons why I like him. You also need to look at his advance stats and compare it to Humphries. I can definitely see him being a better product of Avery.

Tyrus Thomas rebounds a Total rebound percentage of 9.9% and defensively at 13.7%. Our starting SF rebounds the ball better. Not to say he is a bad player, but we can do better than him. He is not the answer to our personal problems. You can make a case for a lot of guys like Nene, Varejao, Gasol, Love, Smith, and LMA. Tyrus is not on those guys level.

[HelloBrooklyn]

What have you manipulated lol, the douche time continuum?

I figured you'd take that as me meaning you were successful in "toying" with me.

Idiot.

And you aren't toying with anyone, what you like to call toying everyone else calls trolling.

The fact that you reply on every single one of my post shows that i'm getting to you. If you can't even see then there's no reason to explain to you since you won't able to comprehend the things I would say.

What level have you taken this to lol?

God you're a tool.

That's really all this is. You're a troll, a dick and a tool. You think you're messing with me but you have no observational skills or self awareness so you don't realize I always post in a worked up manner, so it's not like you're getting to me or something, you're just massively annoying.

90% of my posts are backhanded insults? Pretty much only to you cause you're annoying.

I'm a tool?? How in the world did you get that accusation after reading that? Maybe if you're talking about yourself who thinks everything that you say is correct and backs up with little to no reasons whatsoever. The fact that you have the audacity to talk the way you do just shows you're just some narcissistic idiot.

I love how i'm "massively annoying" yet I don't respond to any of your post yet you respond to everyone of mine. It seem as if you have a secret crush on me. Thanks for the humbling gratitude.

[HelloBrooklyn]

You do not want Tyrus Thomas's attitude on this team, I'll tell you that. He's the last player this team needs. Not even sure why his name has been brought up. You thinking bringing in Tyrus Thomas will change Derons attitude? WUT?

It's the type of plays he makes on the court. This guy's problem is that he outplays his hands way too much. I can see Avery changing this guy play the way he did with Hump. He can change D-Will by adding more players that plays hard. We already have Evans and G. Wallace. I think adding 2 more of those type i.e. Gerald Henderson and Tyrus Thomas could motivate D-Will into something better.

[HelloBrooklyn]

This is the **** that makes this dude so annoying.

He'll kill Deron for being a leader and then directly infer Ty Thomas is a good leader and Deron needs to be surrounded with players and people like him.

It's like this is either a troll or the guy is just mental.

Then when you don't agree with him and call him on the nonsense squared he starts slinging all types of personal insults.

At least my insults were just joke around stuff at first when he started posting here until he became a dick.

For whatever reason he started **** with me from day 1 on these boards though. I know I'm a prick a lot of the time lol, but it was really unprovoked, I get a strong feeling he's a PBP.

/end cool story bro

Please quote to me where in the world I said that Tyrus Thomas is a good leader? PlEASE SHOW ME!!!!

This exactly you're problem is its either
1. you're unable to comprehend what i've been saying thus concluding you're an idiot
2. you're are talking with balls in you're mouth
3. you like to make to make things up so you can satisfy you're narcissistic

I love how you can call me mental. Yet, you make up things I say.

Where in the world did I personally attack you vincecarter4pres? Again quote me. This guy is so delusional it seems as you need some mental help.

Where in the world did I attack you vincecarter4pres?? All I do in this forum is post my opinion and respond to all that responds to me. So how can it be unprovoked unless you provoke me to responding to you're post?

anyway, if you're done raging. I advise you to get some help seriously.

[HelloBrooklyn]

Tyrus Thomas rebounds a Total rebound percentage of 9.9% and defensively at 13.7%. Our starting SF rebounds the ball better. Not to say he is a bad player, but we can do better than him. He is not the answer to our personal problems. You can make a case for a lot of guys like Nene, Varejao, Gasol, Love, Smith, and LMA. Tyrus is not on those guys level.

his TRR% is at 15 which is pretty good. that's like 10 RPG Per 36 Humphries is obviously a better rebounder but there's only a handful of players who can beat Hump at that skill. He does solve a lot of our personal problems. The only thing he doesn't answer is our spacing problem since he isn't a shooter.

I would love to get all of those players you mentioned except for Gasol. However, they are all unrealistic acquisition except for Nene which is already pushing reality.

[Jersey Generals]

2. you're are talking with balls in you're mouth

[AntwanBoldin]

Is this men seeking men or trade thread?

Marshon to SA
Jj hickson to BKN
1st and filler to Portland

[jeff1624]

Tyrus Thomas rebounds a Total rebound percentage of 9.9% and defensively at 13.7%. Our starting SF rebounds the ball better. Not to say he is a bad player, but we can do better than him. He is not the answer to our personal problems. You can make a case for a lot of guys like Nene, Varejao, Gasol, Love, Smith, and LMA. Tyrus is not on those guys level.

his TRR% is at 15 which is pretty good. that's like 10 RPG Per 36 Humphries is obviously a better rebounder but there's only a handful of players who can beat Hump at that skill. He does solve a lot of our personal problems. The only thing he doesn't answer is our spacing problem since he isn't a shooter.

I would love to get all of those players you mentioned except for Gasol. However, they are all unrealistic acquisition except for Nene which is already pushing reality.

Serious question... what problems does he solve? He's terribly inefficient offensively. Is it his shot blocking ability? Because I don't think he'd be all that useful considering the fact that we'd be in the penalty pretty quick since he fouls at an alarming rate. I can't think of anything to be quite honest.

[NyCeEvO]

Idk even where to begin with the response to my last post, so I'm not even going to pick up on that front.

If we want to talk about logic and premises, then you should look at the argument that you laid out about Kris Humphries.

You said "Look at Kris Humphries and the improvement that he's made under Avery. He and Tyrus both have low BBIQ. Therefore, if Kris got better, just imagine how Tyrus can get better"

There are several problems with this idea.

The first being that Avery made Kris Humphries "better". Avery didn't do anything to Hump. Hump started playing more when we were hit with serious injuries and he just did what he always did.

Look at Hump's per 36 numbers throughout his career. He's basically been the same from the start. Avery has done absolutely nothing to change his game.

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Season     Tm   G   MP  FG  FGA  FG% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PTS
2004-05   UTA  67  873 4.8 11.8 .404 3.0 5.1  8.1 1.8 1.0 0.7 2.1 11.5
2005-06   UTA  62  619 4.5 11.8 .379 3.3 5.9  9.1 1.7 1.3 0.9 1.8 10.9
2006-07   TOR  60  670 4.7  9.9 .470 4.2 5.9 10.0 1.0 0.8 1.1 1.7 12.2
2007-08   TOR  70  925 6.3 13.0 .483 3.5 6.6 10.1 1.1 1.0 1.1 1.8 15.5
2008-09   TOR  29  265 5.2 12.2 .422 3.3 6.2  9.5 1.4 1.1 0.8 1.1 15.5
2009-10   TOT  69 1221 5.3 12.0 .441 3.5 7.6 11.1 0.9 1.1 1.4 1.9 14.4
2009-10   DAL  25  315 6.1 13.1 .461 4.3 6.5 10.9 0.8 0.8 1.3 1.5 15.0
2009-10   NJN  44  906 5.0 11.6 .433 3.3 8.0 11.2 1.0 1.2 1.5 2.1 14.1
2010-11   NJN  74 2061 5.4 10.2 .527 3.9 9.5 13.5 1.5 0.6 1.4 1.8 12.9
2011-12   NJN  62 2162 5.4 11.2 .481 3.9 7.5 11.3 1.5 0.8 1.2 2.0 14.2
2012-13   BRK  23  535 4.1  9.2 .449 3.3 7.9 11.2 0.9 0.5 1.1 1.1 11.4
Career        516 9331 5.2 11.2 .466 3.7 7.4 11.1 1.3 0.9 1.2 1.8 13.3


Whether that is due to Hump not being able to apply the defensive principles that Avery pushes for OR Avery not being able to communicate effectively to players of Kris's ilk or both, the bottom line is that this is not a basic problem of arithmetic or geometry.

Avery is not the common denominator who always improves players, especially PFs. Using Kris Humphries as an example actually works against your argument simply because Hump has remained the exact same player that he was before he was coached by Avery. Avery just gave him more playing time.


The second thing is what Jeff alluded to. Tyrus Thomas is horribly inefficient offensively. As I said before, if you're an undersized big man, you have to have a high BBIQ and do things in a very crafty manner in order for you to be worth keeping on the floor. Even with Tyrus THomas blocking shots well, his inability to do anything positive on offense and his lack of height, keep him from being able to play 30+mpg. He doesn't play anymore minutes because a team can only take but so much negative BBIQ plays before it actually starts to hurt the team game overall.

In fact, that's the main reason why MarShon gets little burn. He can have spurts of pretty good offense, but his defense is just so bad if you leave him out there for an extended period of time, all of that positive offense you got will be negated by the poor defense you get out of him.

Tyrus is the same way but defensively. Yes, he blocks shots, but he's got the worst offensive RAPM on his team at -3.20.

And this is the Bobcats were talking about here. If you're offensive is the worst on the Bobcats, you have serious offensive deficiencies.

And then on top of that, his defensive RAPM is only +1.32. Hump's defensive RAPM is +1.61, so for all of the blocks that he gets, he's so bad in other areas of defense that brings his defensive value down to where it's less than Hump's.

There's just no reason to have Tyrus on this team.

[N Ireland Nets]

HelloBrooklyn, if you have any means possible or anyway whatsoever to be able to find your nearest pharmacy and buy more of those pills that you must've stopped taking over the last 24 hours.

Your a danger to all reasonable Brooklyn basketball fans due to your explosive diarrhoea that keeps appearing on my screen from your finger tips.

I suggest you walk away from the key board, slap yourself 3 times, shout, "ala ackba" and then after all that's done look in the mirror & say, "Tyrus Thomas.... Tyrus Thomas..... Tyrus Thomas" .This would make Mr Thomas suddenly appear beside you, then you and Mr Thomas can live happily ever after together, far far away from Brooklyn.

[N Ireland Nets]

So with a rumour about us an Ilyasova again I was looking at ways to make it work.

The bucks are up for sale so don't want dead weight long term contracts on the books. So we offer Hump to give huge cap relief but due to us taking on much salary they need to offer up value.

We need a backup 3 so we should get the Bucks to throw in Mbah A Moute to make a really simple deal of Hump for IIyasova & Mbah A Moute.

But why not try to push for more out of the bucks?

How about we try for this sort of deal?



I'd send a first round pick unprotected with that deal to make it happen. We get a stretch 4 who hasn't performed well this season as a starter (he's actually playing very solid ball off the bench), a very good defensive SF who will be brilliant off the bench and the prize in the deal, Larry Sanders.

Sanders is a massive talent and while I honestly don't believe we have any chance of getting the Bucks to move him, we should at least try. John Henson is another good young PF the bucks have on the books so maybe we can tempt them into giving up Sanders. Ellis will likely be leaving the Bucks soon so they replace high salary players for young pieces on rookie deals, which will help find a buyer for the team by making them more attractive due to no large salary on the books.

In reality the deal would probably be something simple like IIyasova & Dalembert for Hump. We get a backup big man for more Lopez cover and a decent PF who could turn out good for us but is a big risk.

[vincecarter4pres]

2. you're are talking with balls in you're mouth

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