A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

[jbeachboy]

are people ok with overpaying derozan or barnes , 3 or 4 years, our wings and guards are so bad

[Paradise]

are people ok with overpaying derozan or barnes , 3 or 4 years, our wings and guards are so bad

Unless we somehow pull off a trade heist involving Brook or Thad to draft a Top 5-10 rookie. He will have to overpay anyone who isn't a scrub to come here until we turn it around. I'm fine with overpaying DeRozan because that's realistically the only way we can attract any quality point guards in 2017. You can actually sell someone like Westbrook on joining a Top 5 Shooting Guard or perhaps reunite DeRozan with Lowry.

Overpaying Harrison Barnes would be a leap of faith. He would be a terrific compliment to Rondae but he hasn't been in positions to show off an ability to be a go to scorer.



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[jbeachboy]

overpay them unless its a crazy deal, i cant stand watching bojan, ellington, markel, or rest trying to play shooting guard or small forward.

[simon24]

are people ok with overpaying derozan or barnes , 3 or 4 years, our wings and guards are so bad

Unless we somehow pull off a trade heist involving Brook or Thad to draft a Top 5-10 rookie. He will have to overpay anyone who isn't a scrub to come here until we turn it around. I'm fine with overpaying DeRozan because that's realistically the only way we can attract any quality point guards in 2017. You can actually sell someone like Westbrook on joining a Top 5 Shooting Guard or perhaps reunite DeRozan with Lowry.

Overpaying Harrison Barnes would be a leap of faith. He would be a terrific compliment to Rondae but he hasn't been in positions to show off an ability to be a go to scorer.



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Maybe Barnes could be this summer's James Harden (unproven go to guy turned superstar)

[MrDollarBills]

are people ok with overpaying derozan or barnes , 3 or 4 years, our wings and guards are so bad

Unless we somehow pull off a trade heist involving Brook or Thad to draft a Top 5-10 rookie. He will have to overpay anyone who isn't a scrub to come here until we turn it around. I'm fine with overpaying DeRozan because that's realistically the only way we can attract any quality point guards in 2017. You can actually sell someone like Westbrook on joining a Top 5 Shooting Guard or perhaps reunite DeRozan with Lowry.

Overpaying Harrison Barnes would be a leap of faith. He would be a terrific compliment to Rondae but he hasn't been in positions to show off an ability to be a go to scorer.



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Maybe Barnes could be this summer's James Harden (unproven go to guy turned superstar)

Difference between Barnes and Harden is that Harden was coming off of the bench and tearing people apart. barnes is still moreso a catch and shoot player who hasn't had chances to show what he can do with a higher usage rate

After watching DeRozan last night, I'm willing to overpay as long as we can get a PG that can shoot and a stretch 4 to balance out the line up.

I officially endorse maxing out DeRozan.

[jbeachboy]

just get rid of all the guys except rondae at the wing.

[SF_Warriors]

SHould be interesting to see how king retools this team over the summer.

I dont think anyone really wants thad young. Him and brook together is just not a good fit defensively. Offensively they are fine, but I still see as a bad fit.

JJ is almost definitely gone...BKN currently has one of the worst collection of wings in the NBA, and I believe this is the area they need to address first and foremost.

PG they are okay with jack and larkin. Both guys are rotation players, although neither is an ideal starter.

Unfortunately, going the trade route will be difficult, as the nets do not really have great assets to throw out in a trade, and King has had a really bad history with trading first rounders...

I think going after a guy like derozan may be the best option here, but an overpay is necessary and even with him, I see defense as a huge issue, even with RHJ in the starting lineup.

[NyCeEvO]

SHould be interesting to see how king retools this team over the summer.

The only retooling King should be doing in the summer should be in the shed of his backyard after his contract expires this season.

If he's anywhere near this team going forward, the uproar will be at an all time high.

[SF_Warriors]

SHould be interesting to see how king retools this team over the summer.

The only retooling King should be doing in the summer should be in the shed of his backyard after his contract expires this season.

If he's anywhere near this team going forward, the uproar will be at an all time high.

Oh, I did not know his contract was up this summer.

Nets fans need to protest outside the stadium or something because he is a horrible GM to say the least.

[MrDollarBills]

SHould be interesting to see how king retools this team over the summer.

I dont think anyone really wants thad young. Him and brook together is just not a good fit defensively. Offensively they are fine, but I still see as a bad fit.

JJ is almost definitely gone...BKN currently has one of the worst collection of wings in the NBA, and I believe this is the area they need to address first and foremost.

PG they are okay with jack and larkin. Both guys are rotation players, although neither is an ideal starter.

Unfortunately, going the trade route will be difficult, as the nets do not really have great assets to throw out in a trade, and King has had a really bad history with trading first rounders...

I think going after a guy like derozan may be the best option here, but an overpay is necessary and even with him, I see defense as a huge issue, even with RHJ in the starting lineup.

The only thing that mother **** er King will be retooling his goddamn resume this summer, since he'll be looking for a new job.

[SF_Warriors]

SHould be interesting to see how king retools this team over the summer.

I dont think anyone really wants thad young. Him and brook together is just not a good fit defensively. Offensively they are fine, but I still see as a bad fit.

JJ is almost definitely gone...BKN currently has one of the worst collection of wings in the NBA, and I believe this is the area they need to address first and foremost.

PG they are okay with jack and larkin. Both guys are rotation players, although neither is an ideal starter.

Unfortunately, going the trade route will be difficult, as the nets do not really have great assets to throw out in a trade, and King has had a really bad history with trading first rounders...

I think going after a guy like derozan may be the best option here, but an overpay is necessary and even with him, I see defense as a huge issue, even with RHJ in the starting lineup.

The only thing that mother **** er King will be retooling his goddamn resume this summer, since he'll be looking for a new job.

Yea sorry, had not realized his contract was up. I think he already has proved to be incompetent and not worthy of an extension.

The rest of the stuff I said still stands, need to upgrade the wing positions first and foremost.

[SF_Warriors]

As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.

So you think that knowingly giving up multiple unprotected picks during the years (or in your words, "throwaway year") where the team may be rebuilding, and for two guys who were 36 & 37 respectively, is a good idea? I mean, at least put a top 10 protection on there or something...

if you think thad young is a top PF in the nba, you do not know how to assess talent. He is an undersized tweener putting up good stats on a horrible team.

And I'm sorry, but draft picks, especially lottery ones, are amongst the most valuable assets in the nba.
How do you think that the nets can make a "mega trade" with their best asset being a maxed out brook lopez and a bunch of underwhelming wing guys?? Blake griffin and Klay thompson are gonna be available for a markel brown/bogs package and filler??

And what good FA wants to come into this mess of a situation? If overpaying Demar Derozan is the best solution, then well, I see many dark years ahead..


The main issue with having no picks is, no one wants to sign unless you overpay, which will lead to dead money.
The team cant tank and pick up cheap, young talent because it will go to the celtics.
So basically, the new GM's selling point to FAs is that they get to play with brook lopez and thad young..

[Net Sentence]

As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.

So you think that knowingly giving up multiple unprotected picks during the years (or in your words, "throwaway year") where the team may be rebuilding, and for two guys who were 36 & 37 respectively, is a good idea? I mean, at least put a top 10 protection on there or something...

This was termed a throwaway year after the trade was made. Cant doing anything about that. And yes, at the time it was a good thing. The team we put together that year was stacked. DWill was coming off a really strong 2nd half to '12-13. His post all star numbers in '12-13 were

37.7 min
22.9 Pts/g (48.1% FG / 42% 3pt)
8 Ast/g

Those were every bit top 10-12 player in the NBA type numbers still. His numbers in the playoffs were just as strong vs the Bulls and he had his signature play as a Net in that series.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5RzVlu8_c[/youtube]

Lopez was coming off a strong season also and should have been a strong #2 option.

Johnson was still an all star level player and was suppose to be the 3rd best player.

Bringing in Pierce and KG to compliment that core made a lot of sense. It made so much sense that just about every national media organization was talking about how strong the Nets look. They even were crying collusion when we signed Kirilenko who had just played one of his best seasons the year before in Minnesota.

That team was the best Nets team assembled, better then the Kidd era Nets in fact. We had Shawn Livingston who I think Warriors fans would appreciate. Mason Plumlee was one of the top rookies in the NBA that year. Alan Anderson was very good off the bench. We lost Lopez for the year to a foot injury and AK to his chronic back issues and still had one of the best records in the NBA once we gelled.

We should have been good for years with DWill so those draft pick shouldnt have meant much. Even after DWill fell apart, Boston couldnt use them to move up. As this year progresses, more and more teams will be looking to tank once they fall out of contention. The Nets have the 3rd worst record now but I expect the Nets to fall somewhere between 6-10 when it all shakes out.

if you think thad young is a top PF in the nba, you do not know how to assess talent. He is an undersized tweener putting up good stats on a horrible team.

The stats say what he is, you are entitled to your opinion but the numbers speak for themselves. We arent losing because of Thad, we are losing because we are the worst 3pt shooting team in the NBA and our prized rookie got hurt. Our starting five with RHJ was one of the highest rated 5 man units when he got hurt.

And I'm sorry, but draft picks, especially lottery ones, are amongst the most valuable assets in the nba.
How do you think that the nets can make a "mega trade" with their best asset being a maxed out brook lopez and a bunch of underwhelming wing guys?? Blake griffin and Klay thompson are gonna be available for a markel brown/bogs package and filler??

And what good FA wants to come into this mess of a situation? If overpaying Demar Derozan is the best solution, then well, I see many dark years ahead..


The main issue with having no picks is, no one wants to sign unless you overpay, which will lead to dead money.
The team cant tank and pick up cheap, young talent because it will go to the celtics.
So basically, the new GM's selling point to FAs is that they get to play with brook lopez and thad young..

Flexibility is the most valuable asset in the NBA. Having a ton of cap space can be used to sign free agents, which is the plan A. You can also use it to regain draft picks from a team like the Wolves who will likely still be a lotto team for a couple of years and have a dead money contract in Pekovic.

I dont believe in tanking as a strategy and we see way more teams like the Sixers and Blazer flounder for decades hoping to hit the lottery jackpot then we do teams like the Thunder who got 3 franchise level players. You dont need the 1st pick to get a franchise player as seen by guys like Paul George (10th pick), Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) and Jimmy Butler (30th pick).

At the end of the day, no one knows where players will sign. Raise your hand if you thought Greg Monroe was going to sign with the Bucks over the Knicks. You can come here and passively aggressively TROLL our thread but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt mean a damn thing to me.

[Prokorov]

NetSentence isnt wrong with the above....

at the time of the boston trade, it was a slam dunk. i'd still make that trade 10 times out of 10 given that situation we were in. Lets not forget that:

1) Brook Lopez was coming off a career year
2) Deron Williams was playing at an all-star level, his best since joining the nets
3) This team had just won 49 games
4) we were in the luxury tax for the next 3-4 seasons, with no options to add talent (HBAP wasnt gonna get it done)

It was impossible to predict BOTH lopez being lost for the season AND Deron Williams having the most unpredident decline during his prime years we have seen, maybe ever.

You are talking about a combined 40 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists per game, basically removed from your team. then blaming the trade for your situation. makes no sense.

We were a 49 win team with 2 MAJOR holes and 1 MAJOR issue:

SF, PF, and Leadership.

pierce brought leadership, gave us a SF who could score and shoot
KG brought leadership, gave us a PF who could defend and wasnt a 0 on offense.

it was literally the perfect fit to maximize a 3 year window we were handcuffed to with no way out. Basically everything that went wrong could, even the unfathomable like a star in his prime suddenly forgetting how to play basketball.

If you want to blame king, dont kill him for the boston trade.... kill him for the wallace trade, kill him for the overpayment on the johnson trade. the celtics deal was just trying to clean up the mess from those 2.

[Prokorov]

At the end of the day, no one knows where players will sign. Raise your hand if you thought Greg Monroe was going to sign with the Bucks over the Knicks. You can come here and passively aggressively TROLL our thread but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt mean a damn thing to me.

this is spot on as well... everyone points and the knicks and lakers and basically writes off the chance a free agent will ever go to a big city team that isnt a contender. guys are going to eventually take money to be the alpha in a big city... especially the biggest fish. it wouldnt shock me at all for durant or westbrook to end up in LA once kobe retires

[MrDollarBills]

The Wallace and Johnson trades are the backbreakers. The Boston trade would have been fine had we not had to give up picks for Boston to take back that bad contract.

And thad young has been balling. The team being bad has nothing to do with his production. The whole "putting up good stats on a bad team" argument is so flawed its embarrassing. By that logic, Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins are frauds.

[CalamityX12]

The Wallace and Johnson trades are the backbreakers. The Boston trade would have been fine had we not had to give up picks for Boston to take back that bad contract.

And thad young has been balling. The team being bad has nothing to do with his production. The whole "putting up good stats on a bad team" argument is so flawed its embarrassing. By that logic, Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins are frauds.

[Prokorov]

thad young isnt being force fed shots because he is on a team with no offensive options. his offense is coming mostly on hustle/energy type stuff and in transition or in the flow of the offense. his offensive numbers dont have anything to do with being on a bad team, it has to do with him going out and putting in buck williams type efforts every night

i you want to tell me his poor defense is being overlooked because of a bad team, maybe... but overall his numbers are where they are because he is balling out

[NyCeEvO]

At the end of the day, no one knows where players will sign. Raise your hand if you thought Greg Monroe was going to sign with the Bucks over the Knicks. You can come here and passively aggressively TROLL our thread but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt mean a damn thing to me.

this is spot on as well... everyone points and the knicks and lakers and basically writes off the chance a free agent will ever go to a big city team that isnt a contender. guys are going to eventually take money to be the alpha in a big city... especially the biggest fish. it wouldnt shock me at all for durant or westbrook to end up in LA once kobe retires

People believe that superstars will go to winning teams because they want to win, not just to the highest bidder.

Non-superstars change teams all of the time. When legitimate superstars change teams, it's almost undoubtedly because they believe that the team they're going to will be a contender.

If that team happens to be in a city, so be it. Melo was the most recent player to talk about the city influencing his decision and even he made sure that he was traded to and that STAT was there. Amaré was a legit MVP candidate just before Melo came. Melo wanted to bake his cake (winning) and eat it too (play in the city) but let's not undermine that he 100% wanted to go to what he thought would be a winning situation.

[Hello Brooklyn]

are people ok with overpaying derozan or barnes , 3 or 4 years, our wings and guards are so bad

I am not. However, I don't know what else to do.

We have no draft picks and no way of improving. There is no real way for us to be good until 2020. So in reality we have to sign some players to be relevant. Maybe make the playoffs.