The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[Prokorov]

Get over it bruh he's overpaid and there's nothing you can do about it. Either accept it or complain about something you have no control over.

Sean Marks has done a good job I have faith in him.

Sean Marks overall has one a very solid job.

The Crabbe Trade/contract was horrible and a huge black eye on his resume. This is a Nets forums. were here to discuss stuff. This is the allen crabbe thread. its about him. So if you are too triggered to handle any critcism of marks, you dont have to read it. plain and simple.

The issue with you is, you crap on people when they point things out, offer ZERO insight of your own, then when proven wrong you come in with passive aggressive jabs and insults.

Trading for him isn't a huge black eye we still have cap room. I think you're nit picking to be honest (no insult) This thread should be about his play instead you're counting his money.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/
The Nets are 24th in salaries this year.

we dont have much cap room, especially with Lins instagram message indicating he will pick up his option. head over to the salary cap thread, it is VERY tight these next 2 summers.

if we didnt make the crabbe trade, we would have the 3rd most cap room this offseason and could offer a max contract.

[kamaze]

It's still too early to pass final judgement but it's looking like the Crabbe trade was Marks' first fumble.

He had been on a roll ever since taking over as GM and made 2 good deals in the summer with the Lakers for Russell/moz and Raps for DMC/picks. However, the Crabbe deal was definitely a surprising way to finish the summer IMO. I thought it was weird that we were going to commit a big chunk of our cap space for decent but not great player but trusted Marks since history speaks for itself.

I still think Crabbe is searching for it and hasn't found it yet in BK. He didn't have training camp(Injured) plus has been in and out this season. Not an excuse but can't help in his adjustment. I think ultimately we have to wait a full year or two under the coaching staff to really see if he was worth it because as of now he isn't and the contract is looking albatross. He is settling for too many horrible shots and need to play with higher IQ. If the shot isn't there move it and get a better one. If he doesn't improve he's a bench player at 20m for the next 3 years. Dinwiddie-Russell-Levert-RHJ are the starting core in BK in my opinion.

Kenny went and told Marks he needed more shooting he added one of the top shooters it makes sense. He did so again in the Stauskas trade. For a first time GM he should be getting praised not criticized.

1) when did kenny say that?

2) if you told me to go buy you dish detergent and i came back with some Palmolive and a $4000 bill you would be ok with that?

No one has an issue with Crabbe as a fit. its the pricetag

Scroll up.

Kenny and Sean Marks talked with him the year before about how they were going to use him
So it's more like he wanted that car for his birthday but pop's couldn't get it for him but got if for him the next year.

If you acknowledge Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting why all of a sudden do you think he caught a brain fart?
Because of Joe Harris?

[kamaze]

Sean Marks overall has one a very solid job.

The Crabbe Trade/contract was horrible and a huge black eye on his resume. This is a Nets forums. were here to discuss stuff. This is the allen crabbe thread. its about him. So if you are too triggered to handle any critcism of marks, you dont have to read it. plain and simple.

The issue with you is, you crap on people when they point things out, offer ZERO insight of your own, then when proven wrong you come in with passive aggressive jabs and insults.

Trading for him isn't a huge black eye we still have cap room. I think you're nit picking to be honest (no insult) This thread should be about his play instead you're counting his money.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/
The Nets are 24th in salaries this year.

we dont have much cap room, especially with Lins instagram message indicating he will pick up his option. head over to the salary cap thread, it is VERY tight these next 2 summers.

if we didnt make the crabbe trade, we would have the 3rd most cap room this offseason and could offer a max contract.

You have selective memory..The big contracts they gave the last 2 years were matched Marks already shifted his game plan.

[kamaze]

Could you show me where this was stated please? I'm genuinely curious.

Also, should that be the case, you think trading for a player who gets paid $12m per year more (on a longer contract mind you) than the outgoing player is the suitable solution? Don't you think it's a bit overkill to spend $12m more per year on just a "shooter"? Surely there are cheaper alternatives out there if that was all Kenny requested, I mean Bojan got 2 year $21m, are you telling me we couldn't offer that to him?

We're thinking different. You're trying to figure out what's best for the team me I'm just rooting for it.
You're stuck on his contract it's not $25 million for 6 years jeesh.

yeah... god forbid nets fans want whats best for the team

As if I don't lol I just don't think I know more than the guys paid to run the team that's the difference.

[kamaze]

Who said it was?

Either way, does it or does it not affect our future potential moves? Thanks for posting that link btw, and here is the reason for why I was against this move, coming out of Marks' mouth.

I did. There's teams with guys like that on their roster. We don't have that problem..do we?

Brooklyn has the 24th highest payroll this year out of 29 teams and it goes down $10 million next year $50 million the next.
It's not like you get some of that money for being a season ticket holder either.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

it doesnt really go down 50 million... because you have to give extensions/Match RFA contracts on RHJ and Russell and extend the qualifying offer to levert. there goes your 50 million right there.

10 million next year is easily eaten up if you want to bring back any of our pending free agents. Okafor/Stauskus alone would eat that on their options. Let alone if you want harris back.

having the 24th highest payroll doesnt mean much when 19 teams are already over the cap

There you go crunching numbers again you should've been an accountant Prok.
The fact is they have 50 million to spend what they choose to do with is their choice.

[Prokorov]

Kenny went and told Marks he needed more shooting he added one of the top shooters it makes sense. He did so again in the Stauskas trade. For a first time GM he should be getting praised not criticized.

1) when did kenny say that?

2) if you told me to go buy you dish detergent and i came back with some Palmolive and a $4000 bill you would be ok with that?

No one has an issue with Crabbe as a fit. its the pricetag

Scroll up.

Kenny and Sean Marks talked with him the year before about how they were going to use him
So it's more like he wanted that car for his birthday but pop's couldn't get it for him but got if for him the next year.

If you acknowledge Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting why all of a sudden do you think he caught a brain fart?
Because of Joe Harris?

I dont think Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting. I think that is his weak point as a GM. overpaying role players and non difference makers. IT hasnt really come back to roost yet since most of his bad offers those players ended up signing elsewhere (bazemore for instance). but if you go to the cap thread, you can see some of the potential implications the next 2 summers.

Nothing to do with Harris. Harris only factored in as an example that if we wanted a role shooter we already had one on a minimum deal and they can be had without breaking the bank (as we also just saw with stauskus).

But harris aside Marks has thrown some huge money at role guys constantly.

That doesnt mean i think marks did a bad job, the good outweighs the bad (he has drafted well, his choice with kenny as a coach was a slam dunk, his trades for russell and carroll were outstanding).

but when it comes to cap related stuff... so far not great

[Prokorov]

Trading for him isn't a huge black eye we still have cap room. I think you're nit picking to be honest (no insult) This thread should be about his play instead you're counting his money.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/
The Nets are 24th in salaries this year.

we dont have much cap room, especially with Lins instagram message indicating he will pick up his option. head over to the salary cap thread, it is VERY tight these next 2 summers.

if we didnt make the crabbe trade, we would have the 3rd most cap room this offseason and could offer a max contract.

You have selective memory..The big contracts they gave the last 2 years were matched Marks already shifted his game plan.

I dont follow you on this one?

[Prokorov]

I did. There's teams with guys like that on their roster. We don't have that problem..do we?

Brooklyn has the 24th highest payroll this year out of 29 teams and it goes down $10 million next year $50 million the next.
It's not like you get some of that money for being a season ticket holder either.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

it doesnt really go down 50 million... because you have to give extensions/Match RFA contracts on RHJ and Russell and extend the qualifying offer to levert. there goes your 50 million right there.

10 million next year is easily eaten up if you want to bring back any of our pending free agents. Okafor/Stauskus alone would eat that on their options. Let alone if you want harris back.

having the 24th highest payroll doesnt mean much when 19 teams are already over the cap

There you go crunching numbers again you should've been an accountant Prok.
The fact is they have 50 million to spend what they choose to do with is their choice.

If letting the teams 2 best players go is part of the plan, then its not a great long term plan

[Prokorov]

We're thinking different. You're trying to figure out what's best for the team me I'm just rooting for it.
You're stuck on his contract it's not $25 million for 6 years jeesh.

yeah... god forbid nets fans want whats best for the team

As if I don't lol I just don't think I know more than the guys paid to run the team that's the difference.

Did you think billy king knew more then you as well? how did that go?

[kamaze]

1) when did kenny say that?

2) if you told me to go buy you dish detergent and i came back with some Palmolive and a $4000 bill you would be ok with that?

No one has an issue with Crabbe as a fit. its the pricetag

Scroll up.

Kenny and Sean Marks talked with him the year before about how they were going to use him
So it's more like he wanted that car for his birthday but pop's couldn't get it for him but got if for him the next year.

If you acknowledge Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting why all of a sudden do you think he caught a brain fart?
Because of Joe Harris?

I dont think Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting. I think that is his weak point as a GM. overpaying role players and non difference makers. IT hasnt really come back to roost yet since most of his bad offers those players ended up signing elsewhere (bazemore for instance). but if you go to the cap thread, you can see some of the potential implications the next 2 summers.

Nothing to do with Harris. Harris only factored in as an example that if we wanted a role shooter we already had one on a minimum deal and they can be had without breaking the bank (as we also just saw with stauskus).

But harris aside Marks has thrown some huge money at role guys constantly.

That doesnt mean i think marks did a bad job, the good outweighs the bad (he has drafted well, his choice with kenny as a coach was a slam dunk, his trades for russell and carroll were outstanding).

but when it comes to cap related stuff... so far not great

Who else on the team did Marks offer big money to? He messed up other team's cap space by driving up the market, teams had to match to keep their players. That's brilliant!

If "it hasn't really come back to roost yet" what are you really talking about? You're trying to get a job aren't ya lol.

[kamaze]

we dont have much cap room, especially with Lins instagram message indicating he will pick up his option. head over to the salary cap thread, it is VERY tight these next 2 summers.

if we didnt make the crabbe trade, we would have the 3rd most cap room this offseason and could offer a max contract.

You have selective memory..The big contracts they gave the last 2 years were matched Marks already shifted his game plan.

I dont follow you on this one?

The last 2 years the big offer sheets given out were matched. Signing a max player this summer isn't the game plan.

[kamaze]

it doesnt really go down 50 million... because you have to give extensions/Match RFA contracts on RHJ and Russell and extend the qualifying offer to levert. there goes your 50 million right there.

10 million next year is easily eaten up if you want to bring back any of our pending free agents. Okafor/Stauskus alone would eat that on their options. Let alone if you want harris back.

having the 24th highest payroll doesnt mean much when 19 teams are already over the cap

There you go crunching numbers again you should've been an accountant Prok.
The fact is they have 50 million to spend what they choose to do with is their choice.

If letting the teams 2 best players go is part of the plan, then its not a great long term plan

What are you talking about? No one left.

[kamaze]

yeah... god forbid nets fans want whats best for the team

As if I don't lol I just don't think I know more than the guys paid to run the team that's the difference.

Did you think billy king knew more then you as well? how did that go?

No he didn't have a clue what he was doing but I think he was scared of the owners. Please stop bringing up his name.

[Prokorov]

Scroll up.

Kenny and Sean Marks talked with him the year before about how they were going to use him
So it's more like he wanted that car for his birthday but pop's couldn't get it for him but got if for him the next year.

If you acknowledge Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting why all of a sudden do you think he caught a brain fart?
Because of Joe Harris?

I dont think Marks has done a good job with smart budgeting. I think that is his weak point as a GM. overpaying role players and non difference makers. IT hasnt really come back to roost yet since most of his bad offers those players ended up signing elsewhere (bazemore for instance). but if you go to the cap thread, you can see some of the potential implications the next 2 summers.

Nothing to do with Harris. Harris only factored in as an example that if we wanted a role shooter we already had one on a minimum deal and they can be had without breaking the bank (as we also just saw with stauskus).

But harris aside Marks has thrown some huge money at role guys constantly.

That doesnt mean i think marks did a bad job, the good outweighs the bad (he has drafted well, his choice with kenny as a coach was a slam dunk, his trades for russell and carroll were outstanding).

but when it comes to cap related stuff... so far not great

Who else on the team did Marks offer big money to? He messed up other team's cap space by driving up the market, teams had to match to keep their players. That's brilliant!

If "it hasn't really come back to roost yet" what are you really talking about? You're trying to get a job aren't ya lol.

It was just restricted free agents, it was other players. for example he offered 4/78 to Kent Bazmore.

And it hasnt comeback to roost yet. As mentioned the Crabbe trade makes the next 2 summers very difficult for us.

[Prokorov]

You have selective memory..The big contracts they gave the last 2 years were matched Marks already shifted his game plan.

I dont follow you on this one?

The last 2 years the big offer sheets given out were matched. Signing a max player this summer isn't the game plan.

Signing a max player this summer CANT be the game plan, because we dont have close to the cap space for it.

[Prokorov]

There you go crunching numbers again you should've been an accountant Prok.
The fact is they have 50 million to spend what they choose to do with is their choice.

If letting the teams 2 best players go is part of the plan, then its not a great long term plan

What are you talking about? No one left.

You stated we will have 50 million in cap space in 2019... that is only true if we let russell and RHJ walk.

[kamaze]

I dont follow you on this one?

The last 2 years the big offer sheets given out were matched. Signing a max player this summer isn't the game plan.

Signing a max player this summer CANT be the game plan, because we dont have close to the cap space for it.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

[kamaze]

If letting the teams 2 best players go is part of the plan, then its not a great long term plan

What are you talking about? No one left.

You stated we will have 50 million in cap space in 2019... that is only true if we let russell and RHJ walk.

Slow down as of NOW they have that no one has got an extension.

[Prokorov]

The last 2 years the big offer sheets given out were matched. Signing a max player this summer isn't the game plan.

Signing a max player this summer CANT be the game plan, because we dont have close to the cap space for it.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

Its not a riddle....

We had max cap space. We used the last of it up when we acquired Crabbe.

[Prokorov]

What are you talking about? No one left.

You stated we will have 50 million in cap space in 2019... that is only true if we let russell and RHJ walk.

Slow down as of NOW they have that no one has got an extension.

Exactly. We dont really have that 50 million in cap you refer to. the only way to get to that number would be to walk away from russell and RHJ. there is no scenario were we retain those two and keep cap space.