Harden-watch 2020

[StepBackCrack]

Teams already started training camps trying to build chemistry and this makes it harder and harder for GMs to risk going all in for Harden (whose is clearly very unhappy) and put him right into their teams with no training camp time for him in his new team. I'm talking about the contenders here as well. This is the main reason the Nets are still in a good position to get Harden eventually. Harden is tanking his value by the minute and it's possible Rockets won't get a better offer than the Nets' offer by the trade deadline. GMs around the league most likely won't take such risk. He gets on a non-contender means he is out by next year. He gets on a non-Nets contender, then that GM is betting that Harden will like playing there and won't ask to be out in a year.

[Paradise]

Would other teams be willing to pay close to what we are, given that he doesn't want to play for them?

Its clear Houston isn't interested in our assets anyway.

I don't think they want to pay Dinwiddie or Allen. And they don't want Levert either. Picks can be acquired anywhere.

And I think other teams would still give up assets for 2 years of Harden.

I think they are going to send him somewhere random in the next few weeks. Thats my best guess.

I have always had major doubts that a trade would happen. At the same time, I wouldn’t be so sure that they’re simply uninterested. They may want to see continued improvement from Levert and Allen before making a trade.

Bingo.

I think the Rockets will be glad to have a core of Dinwiddie, LeVert, Allen under new coaching. I do think they don’t value them at the same hierarchy that we do organizationally and fan base wise right now. As is.

The NBA booked us to visit the Rockets at the last game of the scheduled “first half” season. I don’t think that’s coincidental. That is literally the perfect timeline for us to make the only mid-season deal we have or not at all because it’s not like we will develop better assets after the season.

[MrDollarBills]

Its clear Houston isn't interested in our assets anyway.

I don't think they want to pay Dinwiddie or Allen. And they don't want Levert either. Picks can be acquired anywhere.

And I think other teams would still give up assets for 2 years of Harden.

I think they are going to send him somewhere random in the next few weeks. Thats my best guess.

I have always had major doubts that a trade would happen. At the same time, I wouldn’t be so sure that they’re simply uninterested. They may want to see continued improvement from Levert and Allen before making a trade.

Bingo.

I think the Rockets will be glad to have a core of Dinwiddie, LeVert, Allen under new coaching. I do think they don’t value them at the same hierarchy that we do organizationally and fan base wise right now. As is.

The NBA booked us to visit the Rockets at the last game of the scheduled “first half” season. I don’t think that’s coincidental. That is literally the perfect timeline for us to make the only mid-season deal we have or not at all because it’s not like we will develop better assets after the season.

Dinwiddie is an expiring contract at this point.

If Allen and LeVert look great playing with KD and Kyrie their value skyrockets. But at that point, we can play hard ball with The Rockets who are losing leverage as each day passes. I would see if we can keep Spencer and trade LeVert, Allen, Kurucs and Prince plus 2 1sts and a pick swap.

[MrDollarBills]

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They are delusional. Time to move on. If they want to trade Harden to us, let them call. No need for us to do anything but focus on winning games with this roster that we have now, which is frankly one of the deepest in the league.

[MGrand15]

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They are delusional. Time to move on. If they want to trade Harden to us, let them call. No need for us to do anything but focus on winning games with this roster that we have now, which is frankly one of the deepest in the league.

The amount of people who think they can get anything like that is so confusing. No team is trading a young franchise player + 5 years worth of picks for an unhappy 31 year old star.

I get why they're holding out but it's just not happening. This isn't AD at 26 virtually guaranteed to reup for his prime years. Even the PG trade isn't comparable because the package came with Kawhi too. Maybe next year they can get something like what Cleveland got for Kyrie. Nothing too crazy.

[StepBackCrack]

Yeah, Rockets are just deluded. They are not getting any young star in return.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Looks like Harden is open to other trade destinations.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

I think he probably gets traded in the next few weeks to the team with the best offer. Unlikely its us.

[Hello Brooklyn]

If Philly offers Ben Simmons thats by far the best deal. Here are some other options:

Boston for Jaylen Brown
Miami for Tyler Herro
Golden State for Wiseman and Minny Pick
Denver for Michael Porter Jr.


Toronto for Siakim, but they probably don't do that.

[Openheimer]

Yeah, Rockets are just deluded. They are not getting any young star in return.

Cough, cough Ben Simmons ring a bell now that Harden wants to go to Philly?

[Paradise]

Yeah, Rockets are just deluded. They are not getting any young star in return.

Cough, cough Ben Simmons ring a bell now that Harden wants to go to Philly?

Why would Houston want Wall and Simmons on two Max contracts?

[Openheimer]

Yeah, Rockets are just deluded. They are not getting any young star in return.

Cough, cough Ben Simmons ring a bell now that Harden wants to go to Philly?

Why would Houston want Wall and Simmons on two Max contracts?

Simmons is a franchise player and it’s the best offer Houston will get for Harden. It’s a no brainer

[Paradise]

Cough, cough Ben Simmons ring a bell now that Harden wants to go to Philly?

Why would Houston want Wall and Simmons on two Max contracts?

Simmons is a franchise player and it’s the best offer Houston will get for Harden. It’s a no brainer

That is a fan take. A real ownership/front office has to take account for how Wall-Simmons would love work and it wouldn’t. Also, Wall would probably hate Simmons in the first 48 hours of any Simmons for Harden trade and Morey has no reason to include Simmons right now. It could definitely be a no brainer if a third team is involved sending Simmons to CLE or something, right?

Unless, Houston has plans on sending either one out. It doesn’t make sense for them and don’t have to do business with Philly. Denver and a few other teams could offer a better fit package. The whole need for a franchise player on Houston’s end is overstated and delusional. It won’t hold up.

I think we’re all a little sour on the Harden trade idea now that we’ve seen his strip club antics...

[Openheimer]

Why would Houston want Wall and Simmons on two Max contracts?

Simmons is a franchise player and it’s the best offer Houston will get for Harden. It’s a no brainer

That is a fan take. A real ownership/front office has to take account for how Wall-Simmons would love work and it wouldn’t. Also, Wall would probably hate Simmons in the first 48 hours of any Simmons for Harden trade and Morey has no reason to include Simmons right now.

Unless, Houston has plans on sending either one out. It doesn’t make sense for them and don’t have to do business with Philly. Denver and a few other teams could offer a better fit package. The whole need for a franchise player on Houston’s end is overstated and delusional. It won’t hold up.

I think we’re all a little sour on the Harden trade idea now that we’ve seen his strip club antics...

Harden is not returning to Houston and they know and and regardless of the fit you will always take the best talent out there in return. That is just commonsense

[Paradise]

Simmons is a franchise player and it’s the best offer Houston will get for Harden. It’s a no brainer

That is a fan take. A real ownership/front office has to take account for how Wall-Simmons would love work and it wouldn’t. Also, Wall would probably hate Simmons in the first 48 hours of any Simmons for Harden trade and Morey has no reason to include Simmons right now.

Unless, Houston has plans on sending either one out. It doesn’t make sense for them and don’t have to do business with Philly. Denver and a few other teams could offer a better fit package. The whole need for a franchise player on Houston’s end is overstated and delusional. It won’t hold up.

I think we’re all a little sour on the Harden trade idea now that we’ve seen his strip club antics...

Harden is not returning to Houston and they know and and regardless of the fit you will always take the best talent out there in return. That is just commonsense

Hence why they could send him elsewhere then Philly. They want picks and a blue chip prospect OR franchise player.

Not all in one and Simmons is not that.

[Papi_swav]

If I'm Portland, I would throw my hat in the ring, Dame with Harden for 2 years would be a contender. CJ McCollum, some young guys and a few picks. Might as well give it a shot. might be there best bet to get a ring.

[Prokorov]

Teams already started training camps trying to build chemistry and this makes it harder and harder for GMs to risk going all in for Harden (whose is clearly very unhappy) and put him right into their teams with no training camp time for him in his new team. I'm talking about the contenders here as well. This is the main reason the Nets are still in a good position to get Harden eventually. Harden is tanking his value by the minute and it's possible Rockets won't get a better offer than the Nets' offer by the trade deadline. GMs around the league most likely won't take such risk. He gets on a non-contender means he is out by next year. He gets on a non-Nets contender, then that GM is betting that Harden will like playing there and won't ask to be out in a year.

there is no risk for going all-in on harden. he is a top 3-4 player who has proven his stats and game translate to wins on the floor. he makes every team instantly better if not fringe contenders with just him. he is super durable and super consistent.

if he expands his teams, many will offer their best player +3-5 firsts without hesitation.

[Prokorov]

If Philly offers Ben Simmons thats by far the best deal. Here are some other options:

Boston for Jaylen Brown
Miami for Tyler Herro
Golden State for Wiseman and Minny Pick
Denver for Michael Porter Jr.


Toronto for Siakim, but they probably don't do that.

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

[Hello Brooklyn]

If Philly offers Ben Simmons thats by far the best deal. Here are some other options:

Boston for Jaylen Brown
Miami for Tyler Herro
Golden State for Wiseman and Minny Pick
Denver for Michael Porter Jr.


Toronto for Siakim, but they probably don't do that.

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

[MrDollarBills]

Good. Now we can move on and focus on our very deep and talented team.

[MrDollarBills]

If Philly offers Ben Simmons thats by far the best deal. Here are some other options:

Boston for Jaylen Brown
Miami for Tyler Herro
Golden State for Wiseman and Minny Pick
Denver for Michael Porter Jr.


Toronto for Siakim, but they probably don't do that.

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

Since when is Tyler Herro an all star level talent?

Jaylen Brown??????

People take a dump on our players yet these names aren't really that much better than what we're offering.