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Hello Brooklyn wrote:I still think Kyrie will get the shot.
Is he that stupid that he will give up 30 million dollars? Money talks louder than anything else.
Marks is giving Kyrie the Simmons treatment. Smart.
Prokorov wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:I still think Kyrie will get the shot.
Is he that stupid that he will give up 30 million dollars? Money talks louder than anything else.
Marks is giving Kyrie the Simmons treatment. Smart.
i doubt the money matters to him. he makes more off the court
HardenGoat wrote:This is exactly how they should handle the situation. Sacrifice or stay home. Everyone else on the team has done what they were asked. The goal is clear. Kyrie may be paid to sit for half his games but he is going to lose a huge amount of money in the end and forget about any extensions. If he doesn't budge he needs to seek professional help, there's no other way to explain it.
MrDollarBills wrote:HardenGoat wrote:This is exactly how they should handle the situation. Sacrifice or stay home. Everyone else on the team has done what they were asked. The goal is clear. Kyrie may be paid to sit for half his games but he is going to lose a huge amount of money in the end and forget about any extensions. If he doesn't budge he needs to seek professional help, there's no other way to explain it.
Imagine that taking a life saving vaccine to keep you and everyone around you from dying is considered a sacrifice.
Here I am waiting for my damn booster
Stone wrote:* Sigh *.................I can't see Ky being upset with the Nets organization, they didn't make the mandate. But this is still the first domino to fall.
The next could be.
Kyrie retires.
Kyrie gets traded.
Nothing happens and by next year the mandate is no longer in effect. And he returns.
Kyrie gets the vaccination
Lawyers and lawsuits circling like Vultures.
Prokorov wrote:HardenGoat wrote:This is exactly how they should handle the situation. Sacrifice or stay home. Everyone else on the team has done what they were asked. The goal is clear. Kyrie may be paid to sit for half his games but he is going to lose a huge amount of money in the end and forget about any extensions. If he doesn't budge he needs to seek professional help, there's no other way to explain it.
professional help? because he puts his personal beliefs before money? Thats a stand up move. To stand up for what you believe even if it costs you alot.
That said, im not saying he is right. but the idea he needs help for sticking to his beliefs is nonsense. He isnt breaking any laws. he is an american and has freedoms. he has accepted the consequences of his choices. i fully support him. much more so then someone who would sellout for a buck
Ksny13 wrote:Great move by Brooklyn not allowing him to play. If he cares about his teammates he will fall in line
BigO wrote:Prokorov wrote:HardenGoat wrote:This is exactly how they should handle the situation. Sacrifice or stay home. Everyone else on the team has done what they were asked. The goal is clear. Kyrie may be paid to sit for half his games but he is going to lose a huge amount of money in the end and forget about any extensions. If he doesn't budge he needs to seek professional help, there's no other way to explain it.
professional help? because he puts his personal beliefs before money? Thats a stand up move. To stand up for what you believe even if it costs you alot.
That said, im not saying he is right. but the idea he needs help for sticking to his beliefs is nonsense. He isnt breaking any laws. he is an american and has freedoms. he has accepted the consequences of his choices. i fully support him. much more so then someone who would sellout for a buck
This is a garbage take. As someone wrote on a different board:
"Kudos to Hitler for sticking to his belief system. You can agree with said belief system or not, but…. Ah hell I won’t bother with the rest."
Or should we give thanks to the confederate soldiers sticking to their principles in defense of slavery.
Sticking to bad, unscientific (the earth is flat)or evil principles isn't praiseworthy.
DarkXaero wrote:I fully support the Nets' decision and its the decision I'd hope they would make once it became clear that Kyrie was refusing to get vaccinated. You're either committed to the team and the championship goal, or you're not playing any part in it. Tough decision to make but the right one.
I didn't say its one or the other from Kyrie's perspective. Quite frankly, I'm really not interested in Kyrie's perspective because I have no time for anti-vaxxers. Kyrie is an idiot and wrong for taking this stance and nothing is gonna change my opinion on that. Refusing to get vaccinated isn't just a personal decision, its a selfish decision in a public health crisis. We're not talking about someone getting an abortion here. Being vaccinated makes you less likely to get covid, less likely to transmit covid to others, and less likely to fill up already crowded hospital ICUs. Being unvaccinated puts others at higher risk. It's really not that hard to understand why this is something that impacts others, not just yourself.Prokorov wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I fully support the Nets' decision and its the decision I'd hope they would make once it became clear that Kyrie was refusing to get vaccinated. You're either committed to the team and the championship goal, or you're not playing any part in it. Tough decision to make but the right one.
i dont think its one or the other.
I think you can be committed to basketball and have something come in the way that is also of high value to you to the point where you have to chose, despite both being important.
I dont think this mandate happened and kyrie was like "whatever im not really bought in to basketball anyhow".
He had no control over the mandate. thats the city. he was forced to choose between 2 things that are important to him. you can never win in those situations. if the mandate was in idaho instead of NY it would be a non-issue. but it is NY so he had to chose.
And maybe its dumb that he doesnt want to get vacinated, but at the end of the day its his body and its important to him (which being a vegan among other things) he takes what goes in his body hyper seriously. its still his right, and government can put restrictions on freedoms but they cant force what you put in your body.
At some point, the mandate will be lifted. to him, waiting it out or waiting for aloop hole or waiting for other court decisions is the path that most closes gets him "both"
Prokorov wrote:Johnny Tomala wrote:I think Nets won't renew contract with him if he doesn't get vaccinated. What's the point of having player on the roster who can't play home games?
not playing home game is temporary. Kyrie has 4+ more all-nba seasons in him. even if he played 0 more games, its worth the risk as getting top 10 guys in their prime is super rare
Prokorov wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:HardenGoat wrote:This is exactly how they should handle the situation. Sacrifice or stay home. Everyone else on the team has done what they were asked. The goal is clear. Kyrie may be paid to sit for half his games but he is going to lose a huge amount of money in the end and forget about any extensions. If he doesn't budge he needs to seek professional help, there's no other way to explain it.
Imagine that taking a life saving vaccine to keep you and everyone around you from dying is considered a sacrifice.
Here I am waiting for my damn booster
going against your personal beliefs and giving up your freedoms is always a personal sacrafice. even if your judgement is flawed.
DarkXaero wrote:I didn't say its one or the other from Kyrie's perspective. Quite frankly, I'm really not interested in Kyrie's perspective because I have no time for anti-vaxxers. Kyrie is an idiot and wrong for taking this stance and nothing is gonna change my opinion on that. Refusing to get vaccinated isn't just a personal decision, its a selfish decision in a public health crisis. We're not talking about someone getting an abortion here. Being vaccinated makes you less likely to get covid, less likely to transmit covid to others, and less likely to fill up already crowded hospital ICUs. Being unvaccinated puts others at higher risk. It's really not that hard to understand why this is something that impacts others, not just yourself.
No one can or is forcing him to get vaccinated. But there are rules in place and plethora of other factors which make his refusal to get vaccinated incredibly foolish. If he doesn't get vaccinated, these are his consequences. Sean Marks made that clear today and I 100% agree with it.
TheNetsFan wrote:Prokorov wrote:Johnny Tomala wrote:I think Nets won't renew contract with him if he doesn't get vaccinated. What's the point of having player on the roster who can't play home games?
not playing home game is temporary. Kyrie has 4+ more all-nba seasons in him. even if he played 0 more games, its worth the risk as getting top 10 guys in their prime is super rare
But when a top 10 star doesn't show the urgency, passion, commitment & reliability needed on a championship contender, you play hardball & try to cover yourself with sub-max, incentive-laden contracts. There won't me that many teams with cap space next year. Dare him to go to Detroit, San Antonio or Orlando for the bigger pay day assuming they would even give it to him.