Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Keith Van Horn]

I hope we don't settle for 2nd rounders at this point. I'd be disappointed to see a guy like DFS go for a single or 2 SRPs. But then again, we overvalued Royce O'Neal.

[Keith Van Horn]

So where do we stand now going into 2024-25?

Shroder / Simmons / Whitehead
Cam T / Bogdanovic / Martin
Cam J / Wilson / Bates-Diop
Clowney / DFS
Claxton / Sharpe

I'll assume the guys I bolded are locks to start the season with us, and the other guys are all expendable. Objectively speaking.

(ain't no way we're flipping Ben.... but that's fine... let him "stay in the lab" and post workout pics all season long while we wait for his deal to expire )

Maybe it makes sense to let some of these guys start the season out with us to improve their stock, and hope they don't suffer any injuries? I don't want to see Marks trade for the sake of trading. If he can get another 2025 1st for one of these guys then that'd be great.

It'd be great to see if we can sniff around for a Houston deal to get Green and our 2027 pick back. There's a sense of closure I feel in getting that pick back

And I saw the rumors that Cleveland had been interested in Cam J... what kind of deal would there have to be to get Garland back? I love getting the picks and all, but getting back a Garland type to have next to Claxton (and probably Thomas) would be a nice baseline to work with. Remember, tanking as we know it is gone. We can be the absolute worst team and wind up with the #7 overall pick. Might as well make sure we get some good quality 25 and under players that'll hold value.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Along with potentially revisting a deal with the Kings centered around Cam Johnson for the #13 draft pick Carter, I'd love it for Marks to reach out to the Thunder's 12th overall pick Nikola Topic. Assuming they strike out on bigger names like PG13 in free agency, they could use some forward help.

I'm assuming Topic was their selection because they viewed him as the best player available at the time, but I just honestly don't see the fit. After they traded for Caruso and the rumors they want to lock up Caruso to a long term deal already, both starting guard spots are locked up for the foreseeable future. Plus they have solid backup guards in Carson Wallace (their first rounder last year), sharp shooter Isiah Joe, and Dort capable of playing guard as well. On top of the questionable fit, the rumor is he is going to miss this entire upcoming season with an injury. That works perfect for the Nets in the first year of the rebuild, let me acclimate to the NBA culture while continuing to positioning themselves for the '25 draft.

[vincecarter4pres]

I hope we don't settle for 2nd rounders at this point. I'd be disappointed to see a guy like DFS go for a single or 2 SRPs. But then again, we overvalued Royce O'Neal.

Meh, don’t see the allure with DFS at all for real value league-wide, and he makes like zero sense on this team.

Early 2nd and a future 2nd of a team likely to be bottom 10 bad in a few years would feel fine attached to expiring salary.

[vincecarter4pres]

Along with potentially revisting a deal with the Kings centered around Cam Johnson for the #13 draft pick Carter, I'd love it for Marks to reach out to the Thunder's 12th overall pick Nikola Topic. Assuming they strike out on bigger names like PG13 in free agency, they could use some forward help.

I'm assuming Topic was their selection because they viewed him as the best player available at the time, but I just honestly don't see the fit. After they traded for Caruso and the rumors they want to lock up Caruso to a long term deal already, both starting guard spots are locked up for the foreseeable future. Plus they have solid backup guards in Carson Wallace (their first rounder last year), sharp shooter Isiah Joe, and Dort capable of playing guard as well. On top of the questionable fit, the rumor is he is going to miss this entire upcoming season with an injury. That works perfect for the Nets in the first year of the rebuild, let me acclimate to the NBA culture while continuing to positioning themselves for the '25 draft.

Yeah he feels like trade bait, but who they still value if they get “stuck” with him for a couple seasons.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Along with potentially revisting a deal with the Kings centered around Cam Johnson for the #13 draft pick Carter, I'd love it for Marks to reach out to the Thunder's 12th overall pick Nikola Topic. Assuming they strike out on bigger names like PG13 in free agency, they could use some forward help.

I'm assuming Topic was their selection because they viewed him as the best player available at the time, but I just honestly don't see the fit. After they traded for Caruso and the rumors they want to lock up Caruso to a long term deal already, both starting guard spots are locked up for the foreseeable future. Plus they have solid backup guards in Carson Wallace (their first rounder last year), sharp shooter Isiah Joe, and Dort capable of playing guard as well. On top of the questionable fit, the rumor is he is going to miss this entire upcoming season with an injury. That works perfect for the Nets in the first year of the rebuild, let me acclimate to the NBA culture while continuing to positioning themselves for the '25 draft.

Yeah he feels like trade bait, but who they still value if they get “stuck” with him for a couple seasons.

Spot on. They have enough future draft picks and their stars are young enough where they can make those kind of decisions and it doesn't prevent them from successful seasons.

[vincecarter4pres]

Along with potentially revisting a deal with the Kings centered around Cam Johnson for the #13 draft pick Carter, I'd love it for Marks to reach out to the Thunder's 12th overall pick Nikola Topic. Assuming they strike out on bigger names like PG13 in free agency, they could use some forward help.

I'm assuming Topic was their selection because they viewed him as the best player available at the time, but I just honestly don't see the fit. After they traded for Caruso and the rumors they want to lock up Caruso to a long term deal already, both starting guard spots are locked up for the foreseeable future. Plus they have solid backup guards in Carson Wallace (their first rounder last year), sharp shooter Isiah Joe, and Dort capable of playing guard as well. On top of the questionable fit, the rumor is he is going to miss this entire upcoming season with an injury. That works perfect for the Nets in the first year of the rebuild, let me acclimate to the NBA culture while continuing to positioning themselves for the '25 draft.

Yeah he feels like trade bait, but who they still value if they get “stuck” with him for a couple seasons.

Spot on. They have enough future draft picks and their stars are young enough where they can make those kind of decisions and it doesn't prevent them from successful seasons.

This might be the season where the finally make a big consolidation move. Now they got a good taste of the playoffs, they see most of their strengths and weaknesses and have an idea of the future contracts they’ll have to handout and how that affects them under the new CBA.

I can see a couple moves. One for a Cam Johnson like player for real depth, and one for a young prime, low usage Jrue Holiday or Al Horford like guy. Maybe a third move for a 6xth man flamethrower who is comfortable and embracive of said role too.

I don’t know if they will even want to bring in a big name star type even if available, it might disrupt things. More of a star role player. Bridges and OG are two guys who might have been perfect.

In fact Clax could be that guy, though I hope we hold onto him.

You already have a lock perennial top 10 player MVP candidate guy, Chet and Jalen Williams on a meteoric rise.

Maybe Lauri, or Beef Stew, Coby White, Jarrett Allen, or even Bam come to mind as well.

[Netaman]

This is an interesting one - I think it's heavy, I'd be happy with removing the existing top 8 protection and adding 1 more unprotected FRP (probably the LAC pick).

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[Packers+NetsWIN]

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I would love to add McBride to the deal, but forget sending him to 3rd team. I want him on the Nets.

Add McBride to the deal going to the Nets, send DFS to a third team, and have that third team send back a HEAVILY protected future first rounder or a couple of seconds to the Knicks.

[Netaman]

Disclaimer - so I know everyone is going to be enthused about tanking as hard as possible, but as I've mentioned the rules don't really incentivize hard core tanking anymore. They were the 9th worst team by record last year with Bridges/DFS/Royce/etc. I don't think anything I'm suggesting here will stop them from being bottom 6 or having a ton of cap room next year.

All that out of the way, are there any young RFAs/FAs you'd like to see the Nets now pursue in a similar fashion to Marks' first years here a la Tyler Johnson?

I think the Nets can credibly threaten RFA teams up against the cap with multi-year deals around the MLE level (nets have $12,860,000 non-taxpayer MLE and I believe even without cutting much salary they could use it and not hit lux tax) that would make them uncomfortable enough that they'd entertain S&Ts.

Some names that stand out to me:

Okoro is 23
Obi is 26
isaiah joe is 24 (option decision coming up i think)
derrick jones jr is 26
haywood highsmith is 27
naji marshal is 26
Precious Achiuwa is 24
Simone Fontecchio is 28
bey is still 25 but tore his acl in march

Lonnie Walker is only 25 and DSJ is 26, I'd be ok bringing either back on reasonable deals above min if possible too.

i think a player on the list above could also be another path to moving DFS as the piece in a S&T for one of these players, ideally with a pick or other young assets also attached:



this rotation is still a bottom 5 team imo but at least somewhat interesting and possibly building up:

Schroder / ???
CamT / Whitehead
Okoro / Wilson / Watford
CamJ / Clowney
Clax / Sharpe

and if they somehow slightly overachieved, it's likely thanks to Schroder/CamJ and you can trade them before the deadline for something approaching the Miami/Rozier and Dallas/Gafford/PJ deals last year if there's good value out there.

Heck if you sign the right guy from the list above and they develop, that's another possible trade asset.

[Netaman]

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I would love to add McBride to the deal, but forget sending him to 3rd team. I want him on the Nets.

Add McBride to the deal going to the Nets, send DFS to a third team, and have that third team send back a HEAVILY protected future first rounder or a couple of seconds to the Knicks.

Agreed would be a very nice way to add another asset. Almost feels like Knicks are stretching for ways to avoid this but will add him if they have to.

[TheNetsFan]

I'm listening to the Lowe post. Lowe seems to think CamJ would be in demand given teams need sharpshooters. He threw out a hypothetical of OKC trading 2 FRPs & a young player.

What we're seeing with the Bridges & Avdija deals are teams seem to be overpaying for guys locked into reasonable contracts.

[Netaman]

I'm listening to the Lowe post. Lowe seems to think CamJ would be in demand given teams need sharpshooters. He threw out a hypothetical of OKC trading 2 FRPs & a young player.

What we're seeing with the Bridges & Avdija delas are teams seem to be overpaying for guys locked into reasonable contracts.

I would love to snake Cason Wallace from OKC. Or maybe one of the guards on Orlando like Anthony Black. That's the type of deal I'd be trying to do with CamJ.

[Keith Van Horn]

Disclaimer - so I know everyone is going to be enthused about tanking as hard as possible, but as I've mentioned the rules don't really incentivize hard core tanking anymore. They were the 9th worst team by record last year with Bridges/DFS/Royce/etc. I don't think anything I'm suggesting here will stop them from being bottom 6 or having a ton of cap room next year.

All that out of the way, are there any young RFAs/FAs you'd like to see the Nets now pursue in a similar fashion to Marks' first years here a la Tyler Johnson?

I think the Nets can credibly threaten RFA teams up against the cap with multi-year deals around the MLE level (nets have $12,860,000 non-taxpayer MLE and I believe even without cutting much salary they could use it and not hit lux tax) that would make them uncomfortable enough that they'd entertain S&Ts.

Some names that stand out to me:

Okoro is 23
Obi is 26
isaiah joe is 24 (option decision coming up i think)
derrick jones jr is 26
haywood highsmith is 27
naji marshal is 26
Precious Achiuwa is 24
Simone Fontecchio is 28
bey is still 25 but tore his acl in march

Lonnie Walker is only 25 and DSJ is 26, I'd be ok bringing either back on reasonable deals above min if possible too.

i think a player on the list above could also be another path to moving DFS as the piece in a S&T for one of these players, ideally with a pick or other young assets also attached:



this rotation is still a bottom 5 team imo but at least somewhat interesting and possibly building up:

Schroder / ???
CamT / Whitehead
Okoro / Wilson / Watford
CamJ / Clowney
Clax / Sharpe

and if they somehow slightly overachieved, it's likely thanks to Schroder/CamJ and you can trade them before the deadline for something approaching the Miami/Rozier and Dallas/Gafford/PJ deals last year if there's good value out there.

Heck if you sign the right guy from the list above and they develop, that's another possible trade asset.

I like bringing back Lonnie on a 2 year deal. When he was on, he was on last year. Seemed to fit in with the culture too.

Wouldn't mind trading for Okoro either. And definitely Bey. I always kinda liked him. He won't be playing for a while still, so we can see him after the new year and bring him on slow.

And where's Simmons on your list ^^
jk, smart to leave him off. Like I said, they should keep him away from the team all year. Unless they have it on good authority they can fit him in with this new squad in a specific role and that'll help up his trade value. But thats... kinda far fetched based on reality.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

I'm listening to the Lowe post. Lowe seems to think CamJ would be in demand given teams need sharpshooters. He threw out a hypothetical of OKC trading 2 FRPs & a young player.

What we're seeing with the Bridges & Avdija delas are teams seem to be overpaying for guys locked into reasonable contracts.

I would love to snake Cason Wallace from OKC. Or maybe one of the guards on Orlando like Anthony Black. That's the type of deal I'd be trying to do with CamJ.

I'd be happy with just Wallace. If Marks can get Wallace on top of at least one first round pick, that's about as good as of a start to this rebuild as I could have hoped for given the circumstances

[Netaman]

I like bringing back Lonnie on a 2 year deal. When he was on, he was on last year. Seemed to fit in with the culture too.

Wouldn't mind trading for Okoro either. And definitely Bey. I always kinda liked him. He won't be playing for a while still, so we can see him after the new year and bring him on slow.

And where's Simmons on your list ^^
jk, smart to leave him off. Like I said, they should keep him away from the team all year. Unless they have it on good authority they can fit him in with this new squad in a specific role and that'll help up his trade value. But thats... kinda far fetched based on reality.

simmons was a pseudo freudian slip, legitimately forgot about him lol.

[NetsWorld]

This is an interesting one - I think it's heavy, I'd be happy with removing the existing top 8 protection and adding 1 more unprotected FRP (probably the LAC pick).

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I like that trade for both us and the Sixers. Johnson and DFS would perfectly fit what Philly is trying to do and it gives the Sixers a bail out and a way to potentially compete next year. At some point though, we want Philly to hit the reset button because as mentioned in the proposal. that 27 pick could be valuable and it's only a couple years away.

[Paradise]

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I would love to add McBride to the deal, but forget sending him to 3rd team. I want him on the Nets.

Add McBride to the deal going to the Nets, send DFS to a third team, and have that third team send back a HEAVILY protected future first rounder or a couple of seconds to the Knicks.

Agreed would be a very nice way to add another asset. Almost feels like Knicks are stretching for ways to avoid this but will add him if they have to.

That’s why we don’t and shouldn’t care to help them. Let them figure it out. They are about to be hard capped. Good.

[Rich Rane]

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I would love to add McBride to the deal, but forget sending him to 3rd team. I want him on the Nets.

Add McBride to the deal going to the Nets, send DFS to a third team, and have that third team send back a HEAVILY protected future first rounder or a couple of seconds to the Knicks.

Agreed would be a very nice way to add another asset. Almost feels like Knicks are stretching for ways to avoid this but will add him if they have to.

That’s why we don’t and shouldn’t care to help them. Let them figure it out. They are about to be hard capped. Good.

I'd be glad to help, but only because I know they're up against the tax apron and would hope they add to the pot somehow. Thought process has to be Nets first.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Agreed would be a very nice way to add another asset. Almost feels like Knicks are stretching for ways to avoid this but will add him if they have to.

That’s why we don’t and shouldn’t care to help them. Let them figure it out. They are about to be hard capped. Good.

I'd be glad to help, but only because I know they're up against the tax apron and would hope they add to the pot somehow. Thought process has to be Nets first.

I agree. Obviously don't willingly help them out of the kindness of our hearts. If the Nets can get McBride or an additional draft pick, I'm all for it.