Carmelo Anthony Thread (Denver Finalizes Deal With Knicks)

[deepblueday]

At worst Favors will be a double-double guy and a superb team and help defender. Tough to write him off this young, but it doesn't look like he's fluid enough with the ball to ever be a low post option. He's going to develop a very solid jumper and obviously he will be an elite finisher. He's shown flashes of some nice passing as well and he'll be a nice pick and roll player. Realistically, I think he'll end up as a bigger, better NJ-era Kenyon Martin. 15-16 PPG, 10-11 RPG, 2 BPG, very solid percentages from the floor and the line. I still think he goes right around where he went.

[FeedReed]

i don't think it's just about talent, melo would actually draw fans in, maybe save the franchise, who knows.

[Rich Rane]

James Dolan met with Carmelo Anthony late Thursday in Los Angeles, The Daily News has learned, in what could be the first step in Anthony being traded to the Knicks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... _On_Friday

If this is true, this could be a slap in the face clear violation of tampering. Why the hell would Denver authorize New York to contact Carmelo if there was no clear tentative agreement?

This is where I'm pissed at our front office. Even if New York did have an agreement that Denver is actually willing to say yes to (along with Anthony), why do we allow ourselves to get back into the fold other than to enter a bidding war?

[Shark]

i don't think it's just about talent, melo would actually draw fans in, maybe save the franchise, who knows.

Problem is that Melo will only draw fans for as long as we are a winning team. If we're just a mediocre team I doubt that we'll be filling the arena every night. And why does this franchise need saving? We've got a rich owner and the team is moving to Brooklyn in a couple of years.

[SpeedyG]

I don't know. There have been many championship caliber teams that were built without the use of lottery drafted players. The Pistons when they won it (Tayshaun was around 14th pick), Lakers, Boston, Heat etc. As long as Prokhorov has a plan to build the team via signings and trades, they could succeed. He just has to sell that to Melo.

here is a good article just released with the deets:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Rewr ... eal-021811

The Pistons got there by trading Grant Hill...their franchise player who they obtained as the #3 player in the draft. Boston gave up a #5 to acquire Allen, and a stud PF in Jefferson who was a lottery pick among other players. The Heat? Really? Wade was a top 5 pick. How did they get Shaq? By giving up a former top 10 pick (Odom), and another top 10 pick (Butler).

The only exception to it was the Lakers...but they are the Lakers and there were some fortuitous (if not sneaky) bounces their way in getting Shaq and Kobe.

[twix2500]

Those who are complaining about the team being gutted as if the team is good as it are really trippen. If you dont have a star than you have nothing to build. If you have Melo and Lopez then you are in a greater position to than you were before by miles. Be patient play the market and wait for the right oputurnity to snab a third star. This team will be a top team in the east and a draft pick will be a late rounder nothing to cry about. Billups will have an expiring contract and will be of great trade value.

[SpeedyG]

Those who are complaining about the team being gutted as if the team is good as it are really trippen. If you dont have a star than you have nothing to build. If you have Melo and Lopez then you are in a greater position to than you were before by miles. Be patient play the market and wait for the right oputurnity to snab a third star. This team will be a top team in the east and a draft pick will be a late rounder nothing to cry about. Billups will have an expiring contract and will be of great trade value.

Ironic, because making this deal is the exact opposite of being patient. Yes, Carmelo is a star now. But you're also giving away FIVE chances of finding other stars in Favors (top 3 pick), our own pick (top 7 most likely, maybe 13 if Melo comes and we make the playoffs), two more mid-1sts, and another late pick.

Again, no one is completely AGAINST trading for Melo. It's the fact that, OK, so now we have Melo and Brook...like you say "play the market and wait for right opportunity to grab a third star".

How do you propose we grab that third star when we no longer have any cap space or draft picks to entice them to come/trade for them?

[twix2500]

Ironic, because making this deal is the exact opposite of being patient. Yes, Carmelo is a star now. But you're also giving away FIVE chances of finding other stars in Favors (top 3 pick), our own pick (top 7 most likely, maybe 13 if Melo comes and we make the playoffs), two more mid-1sts, and another late pick.

Again, no one is completely AGAINST trading for Melo. It's the fact that, OK, so now we have Melo and Brook...like you say "play the market and wait for right opportunity to grab a third star".

How do you propose we grab that third star when we no longer have any cap space or draft picks to entice them to come/trade for them?

You keep making moves, you have the MLE to add a valuable player, keep working the roster until the right opurtunity comes. If you have an opurtunity to get a star to get him period. Like i said you have Billups expiring contract and still a desirable player that will get value in return. Keep making smart calculated moves. Did you expect when drafting Lopez, that you would ever have the chance to get Melo, NOOOO. The chance is here get him. You not going to know ever next move today. Opurtunities will open and you prepare yourself.

[SpeedyG]

Ironic, because making this deal is the exact opposite of being patient. Yes, Carmelo is a star now. But you're also giving away FIVE chances of finding other stars in Favors (top 3 pick), our own pick (top 7 most likely, maybe 13 if Melo comes and we make the playoffs), two more mid-1sts, and another late pick.

Again, no one is completely AGAINST trading for Melo. It's the fact that, OK, so now we have Melo and Brook...like you say "play the market and wait for right opportunity to grab a third star".

How do you propose we grab that third star when we no longer have any cap space or draft picks to entice them to come/trade for them?

You keep making moves, you have the MLE to add a valuable player, keep working the roster until the right opurtunity comes. If you have an opurtunity to get a star to get him period. Like i said you have Billups expiring contract and still a desirable player that will get value in return. Keep making smart calculated moves. Did you expect when drafting Lopez, that you would ever have the chance to get Melo, NOOOO. The chance is here get him. You not going to know ever next move today. Opurtunities will open and you prepare yourself.

You keep saying "opportunities will open and you prepare yourself", yet what this deal does is LIMIT our ability to take advantage of said opportunities when they do present themselves. This is like...Troy Murphy all over again. Dear lord, you would think some people would figure it out after that disaster of a trade.

Keep in mind, Brook is due for his big contract the same year that Howard, CP3, and all these other big time FAs are supposed to hit the market.

[dice]

question from non-nets fan: where do you think favors would go in a redo of last year's draft?

Second. Forget how he has played.....its what GM's see long term. Beyond Wall he is now the most respected prospect from that draft

i buy that. but perhaps my question should've been "where would he go in a typical draft?"

i did an analysis of this trade to see just how bad it would be for jersey and placed favors's value as a #5 pick. as it turned out, based on draft results going back to the early '80s, this trade would cost the nets an equivalent opportunity to land an allstar (1 point)/superstar (2 points) as would trading the #1 overall pick in the draft. and you'd be giving up all that value simply for the right to throw way too much money at a quasi-superstar. not to mention the fact that the knicks would be better off in the long run

it appears that whoever gets melo will be shooting themselves in the foot

[dice]

Keep in mind, Brook is due for his big contract the same year that Howard, CP3, and all these other big time FAs are supposed to hit the market.

someone on the bulls board is trying to sell me on the good of this trade for jersey because it gives you guys an opportunity to add a second superstar in 2012. do you know if it's possible to sign said superstar and then go over the cap by re-signing lopez?

[dice]

This organization is prepared to sell us locked in medicority for a 4 years at its best so they have a big name to put on the poster. I cant believe they are really thinking about doing this deal.

might not be able to fill out a decent roster, but j-woww would fill out a jersey jersey nicely

[Jersey Generals]

It's possible. Lopez's caphold has to be low enough for a max cap slot. I haven't looked, but I don't think we'll have enough space for that.

[SpeedyG]

It's possible. Lopez's caphold has to be low enough for a max cap slot. I haven't looked, but I don't think we'll have enough space for that.

One of the reasons I really hope we don't pull the trigger on this, and there's no telling if this will happen of course, but there are rumblings that the NBA owners are looking for a similar structure as the NHL with having a hard cap.

If that happens, it will be tougher to have 3 max (or near max) guys on the same team while still being able to field a competitive roster.

[Shaheen]

LOL At Brook Lopez being an issue.

Lopez is a role player. A 7 footer who averages 5 rebounds has no value on the market. We can easily sign Lopez and big name FA in 2012.

Billups
MLE FA
Melo
Lopez
Howard

A guy can dream can't he?

[SpeedyG]

[twix2500]

i really cant believe you guys are criticizing this trade. When the Miami Heat so called gutted their team to get Shaq, some were complaining about the same thing. How we going to fill out the roster, why did we morgage our future. Its just dwayne wade, Shaq and an old Eddie Jones. Well Riley turned Eddie Jones for Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and James Posey.

[deepblueday]

We don't have a Wade in place. We have a Brook Lopez.

[SpeedyG]

i really cant believe you guys are criticizing this trade. When the Miami Heat so called gutted their team to get Shaq, some were complaining about the same thing. How we going to fill out the roster, why did we morgage our future. Its just dwayne wade, Shaq and an old Eddie Jones. Well Riley turned Eddie Jones for Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and James Posey.

This isn't even close, come on. Shaq vs. Melo? Shaq was still a dominant force when he was traded to the Heat. Sure, everyone knew he only had 2-3 years left of that, but it was worth the gamble for them, because...one, the previous playoffs, Wade just wrecked havoc and nearly brought the team to the ECF.

Also, the Heat got a MUCH MUCH better deal than NJ.

Yes, they had to give up Odom and Butler, but the Lakers...because they were about to lose Shaq for nothing (funny similar situation here with Melo) HAD TO TAKE BRIAN FREAKIN' GRANTS MAX SALARY that still had several years left on it.

Let's assume, and that's a HUUUUUUGE assumption that Melo is even in the same vicinity, hell universe as a player that Shaq was when he was dealt, here's a comparable offer to the Nuggets:

Odom = Harris
Butler (top 10 pick) = Nets pick next year
1st round pick = 1st round pick
Brian Grant = Troy Murphy IF Troy Murphy's deal was about $5M larger and 3-4 years longer.

THAT would have been the deal. And you know, even if Melo isn't the same player as Shaq, and we don't have a Brian Grant colossal of a bad contract...I think if the deal is Harris, Nets pick next year, 1st round pick (Houston or LA, MAAAAYBE even the GSW), and Outlaw...you'd find a lot more support here.

Instead, we're basically giving the Nuggets an Odom type player, a possible Butler type player next year with our pick, another first round pick, a top 3 pick in Favors, plus the choice of another first round pick for an expiring deal OR we'll send that last first rounder to another team so you don't have to pay someone who doesn't have as bad a contract as a Brian Grant.

And this for a lesser, albeit younger (though when you factor in it's basically a three year extension...it's about the same lifespan as O'Neal) player.

[enetric]

At worst Favors will be a double-double guy and a superb team and help defender. Tough to write him off this young, but it doesn't look like he's fluid enough with the ball to ever be a low post option. He's going to develop a very solid jumper and obviously he will be an elite finisher. He's shown flashes of some nice passing as well and he'll be a nice pick and roll player. Realistically, I think he'll end up as a bigger, better NJ-era Kenyon Martin. 15-16 PPG, 10-11 RPG, 2 BPG, very solid percentages from the floor and the line. I still think he goes right around where he went.

His skills and size are a mirror of Dwight Howard at the same age. Not saying he will be him...but saying it is possible to be a star in this league without a great go to offensive move.

Depends how hard he works and if he gets it. And yeah...he is the youngest man in the NBA. Give him 2 more seasons to figure it out. His year in college was a complete waste in the system he was in. By he way a better not injured Kmart would be a perennial all star.