Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread

[Dirk]

Remember when everyone said Brook doesn't fit in modern day basketball? Put Brook on Golden State and we're talking about multiple championships in Oakland right now. Big men are still critical pieces to the chances of winning a title in this league.

Lol brook wouldn't even be able to make it up and down the court with those guys , he could barely keep up on this team

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

Bogut is a much better defender, passer and screener than Lopez though. And even when healthy it's not like he played huge minutes...

Lopez is known for his offense. The Warriors have that in abundance. They literally just needed Barnes to hit some open shots to have won the whole thing, even with Curry struggling. Lopez has been playing in a slow paced team and he'd be now running up and down the floor on the Warriors. I don't know... it's not a knock on Lopez, but he just doesn't fit that system.

[Paradise]

Lol brook wouldn't even be able to make it up and down the court with those guys , he could barely keep up on this team

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

Bogut is a much better defender, passer and screener than Lopez though. And even when healthy it's not like he played huge minutes...

Lopez is known for his offense. The Warriors have that in abundance. They literally just needed Barnes to hit some open shots to have won the whole thing, even with Curry struggling. Lopez has been playing in a slow paced team and he'd be now running up and down the floor on the Warriors. I don't know... it's not a knock on Lopez, but he just doesn't fit that system.

No. They lost because they did not have an interior presence capable of taking the pressure off of Klay and Steph. None of them could get any good looks off when the 4th quarter happened and it was Draymond knocking down multiple threes and that itself was an out of body experience. The Warriors needed someone capable of scoring inside. Their entire big rotation with Bogut was terrible throughout the series.

I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone can look at that rotation and not think throwing a healthy Brook in the mix wouldn't have created multiple mismatches for Cleveland and helped them win the championship.

You can't hack him and send him to the foul line. You can't leave him open on the perimeter. He can't be left alone on PnRs. He can't be left alone on the post and he's still a shot blocker.

[NyCeEvO]

ADDING any borderline allstar (or better) player to one of the best teams in history is obviously going to make them a better team.

If Lopez is replacing a player on the team, that's a different story. If Lopez replaces either Draymond or Klay, they'd definitely make the playoffs but they don't make the Finals.

The Warriors are a perimeter-oriented team. Bogut and Draymond receive the ball at the top of the arc and make decisions from there. They do not play an inside-out game.

If you're going to utilize Lopez to the best of his abilities, he needs to get post touches on the offensive end. You can try running PnR from the top of the key with him (which he's good at) but if the opposition comes with a hard double as soon as its passed to him on the roll, he's going to struggle to pass out of it or take a solid shot.

If Lopez replaces Draymond, you lose out on the 3s, playmaking ability, and passing.
If he replaces Klay, you lose out on having one of the top 3pt shooters in history, spacing, and slashing.

The Warriors survived and thrived on 3s. They had games where they made more 3s than 2s.

Lopez changes the spacing of that team and makes them easier to defend since the opposition doesn't have to sprint around every screen set (whether it's legal or illegal) thereby restricting the total floor spacing and making the remaining threes they take easier to defend.

In short, it's pretty obvious that adding Lopez to one of the best teams we've seen would make them a dynasty. However, if he's replacing any of the Warriors Big 3 (Curry goes without saying) I highly doubt they're winning a championship.

[Papi_swav]

Remember when everyone said Brook doesn't fit in modern day basketball? Put Brook on Golden State and we're talking about multiple championships in Oakland right now. Big men are still critical pieces to the chances of winning a title in this league.

Lol brook wouldn't even be able to make it up and down the court with those guys , he could barely keep up on this team

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

Lol bro calm down I didn't say all of that, I know what Brook is capable of doing and I'm not the one that wants him traded, unless it's for a star obviously, but it's about fit. I would say Bogut is quicker than Brook and is better defensively, and offensively he fits because he hangs at the top of the key and knows how to set screens and he passes well.

Brook needs the game to slow down for him to be at his best, he needs post touches, pick and rolls, pick and pops etc.. you wouldn't see Brook on a fast break like ever, Bogut either but atleast he can throw a decent outlet pass. And bogut only plays like 20-25 mins a game if that. Bout is also really good on defending pick and rolls, Brook not so much. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Brook and glad he's here, I'm a fan but I'm saying it wouldn't make the Warriors better, don't think you can get much better than 73-9. Which is why we can't model our style based on other teams and have to go with what fits if were going to ride with Brook.

[Prokorov]

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

Andrew Bogut is a 20 minute a night roll player who is there to provide defense, rebounding and high iq play. while he isnt super mobile, he also does all the things that lopez isnt really great at. boguts calling card is excellent team defense. you can rate brook wherever you rate him defensively, but i think its safe to say specialist rebounder/defender isnt his role.

GS is mostly playing small ball with their death lineup, and thats the lineup they are crushing guys with. i wouldnt say GS losing this series is on missing bogut. and i wouldnt say lopez steps into his role and makes it all better. Brook is no doubt better then Bogut. but i mean, bogut is a role guy/specialist. Golden state lost because curry/thompson/barnes stunk from 3 the last 3 games and their offense sputted. defense isny why they lost that series.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

we have nothing with him either. i mean we just lost like 60 games. Thats not brooks fault but it isnt like he is some high impact semi-star either. The notion that he isnt really a fit for the modern day team is still correct. today your center is usually either a defense/rebounding/athlete who can finish everything and blow up pick and rolls or a small who stretches the floor.

[Prokorov]

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

Bogut is a much better defender, passer and screener than Lopez though. And even when healthy it's not like he played huge minutes...

Lopez is known for his offense. The Warriors have that in abundance. They literally just needed Barnes to hit some open shots to have won the whole thing, even with Curry struggling. Lopez has been playing in a slow paced team and he'd be now running up and down the floor on the Warriors. I don't know... it's not a knock on Lopez, but he just doesn't fit that system.

No. They lost because they did not have an interior presence capable of taking the pressure off of Klay and Steph. None of them could get any good looks off when the 4th quarter happened and it was Draymond knocking down multiple threes and that itself was an out of body experience. The Warriors needed someone capable of scoring inside. Their entire big rotation with Bogut was terrible throughout the series.

I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone can look at that rotation and not think throwing a healthy Brook in the mix wouldn't have created multiple mismatches for Cleveland and helped them win the championship.

You can't hack him and send him to the foul line. You can't leave him open on the perimeter. He can't be left alone on PnRs. He can't be left alone on the post and he's still a shot blocker.

i dont know... i cant see the warriors slowing it down and dumping it to lopez for post looks or iso face ups being what solves that series for them....

meanwhile, i dont think it helps them matchup wise. i mean are you comfortable with brook gaurding lebron(in the kyrie/jr/shump/RJ/lebron lineup) or kevin love (in the kyrie/jr/shump/brook/love lineup). are you comfortable with brook being switched on to kyrie in PnR situations?

are you confident lopez play doesnt drop playing in such a high paced game?

[MrDollarBills]

Lol brook wouldn't even be able to make it up and down the court with those guys , he could barely keep up on this team

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

Bogut is a much better defender, passer and screener than Lopez though. And even when healthy it's not like he played huge minutes...

Lopez is known for his offense. The Warriors have that in abundance. They literally just needed Barnes to hit some open shots to have won the whole thing, even with Curry struggling. Lopez has been playing in a slow paced team and he'd be now running up and down the floor on the Warriors. I don't know... it's not a knock on Lopez, but he just doesn't fit that system.

I don't care about Brook fitting in with GS, its just the attitude some folks on here have towards him, like the guy is garbage or he's expendable because he can't carry the league's worst roster to 46 wins.

[MrDollarBills]

That's bull **** though, Andrew Bogut isn't exactly some super mobile dude either and he did just fine. In fact, when Bogut went down that was a serious turning point because there was no rim resistance for the Warriors after that.

Andrew Bogut is a 20 minute a night roll player who is there to provide defense, rebounding and high iq play. while he isnt super mobile, he also does all the things that lopez isnt really great at. boguts calling card is excellent team defense. you can rate brook wherever you rate him defensively, but i think its safe to say specialist rebounder/defender isnt his role.

GS is mostly playing small ball with their death lineup, and thats the lineup they are crushing guys with. i wouldnt say GS losing this series is on missing bogut. and i wouldnt say lopez steps into his role and makes it all better. Brook is no doubt better then Bogut. but i mean, bogut is a role guy/specialist. Golden state lost because curry/thompson/barnes stunk from 3 the last 3 games and their offense sputted. defense isny why they lost that series.

People like to **** on Brook when in reality we have NOTHING without this guy. The guy is giving you 20ppg 8rpg 2blks on good %'s and is posting a PER above 20, and you have dudes wanting to dump him for a 34 year old center putting up double singles while getting paid 13 mil a season. Yall kill me with some of this stuff.

we have nothing with him either. i mean we just lost like 60 games. Thats not brooks fault but it isnt like he is some high impact semi-star either. The notion that he isnt really a fit for the modern day team is still correct. today your center is usually either a defense/rebounding/athlete who can finish everything and blow up pick and rolls or a small who stretches the floor.

so the guy's worthless because he can't carry a horrible roster to 46 wins. ridiculous.

and yes, defensively he isn't great against P and R and any team that we field will have to have players on the wing and point who will have to right through screens but hell, I'd rather have Lopez than not.

[NyCeEvO]

I wish I had access to some tape on Fournier and his defense. He plays the passing lanes pretty well given his slightly above average speed. I want to see why he's evaluated so poorly according to the defensive metrics out there.

Is it simply due to a lack of effort? Does he have poor technique that can be corrected?

On a different note, I just remembered that Jacque Vaughn coached Fournier. If the Nets make a push for him, I'm sure Vaughn would have played a part in his evaluation.

[NyCeEvO]

If anyone had hopes of getting Teague, there's no chance now...

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[Kaiser30]

On top of that, he was born in Indianapolis, so he will likely resign there next summer. Bird seems to be very high on him.

[Ror1997]

That also means Atlanta is going to lock up Schroder. That's 2 point guards who are no longer options in free agency next year and if Hill signs in Utah long term, that'll be three.

[Kaiser30]

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Dwight is also interested in signing there, so moving RoLo makes sense.

[SpeedyG]

i dont know... i cant see the warriors slowing it down and dumping it to lopez for post looks or iso face ups being what solves that series for them....

meanwhile, i dont think it helps them matchup wise. i mean are you comfortable with brook gaurding lebron(in the kyrie/jr/shump/RJ/lebron lineup) or kevin love (in the kyrie/jr/shump/brook/love lineup). are you comfortable with brook being switched on to kyrie in PnR situations?

are you confident lopez play doesnt drop playing in such a high paced game?

I don't know. I thought the Cavs did a great job slowing down the Warriors half-court offense in game 7 (and really the last few games as they came back). Almost everything the Warriors were trying to do were off baseline screens to free up Klay/Steph, and almost nothing going to the basket.

Having Lopez (instead of Bogut) likely wouldn't cause them to slow it down to Brook. But when the defense did slow them down, it certainly would have helped to have someone like Lopez there.

I think it got masked a bit because Klay and Steph went nuts and people forgot about it, but OKC's big owned the interior in that match-up too.

[CalamityX12]

wtf! what kind of package? Rose to NYK is BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad knees and everything, if he's remotely at 80% along with Melo AND Porzingas, god damnit...

[Papi_swav]

I think the Knicks gave up a little to much with little return. they only got a 2nd round pick and justin holiday in return. They send out lopez (decent year) and grant was a rookie. Rose-Melo-howard would of been great 5 years ago but I'm not sure if that would work now

[Kaiser30]

wtf! what kind of package? Rose to NYK is BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad knees and everything, if he's remotely at 80% along with Melo AND Porzingas, god damnit...

And they have Hornacek who is a great coach for point guards.

Rose - X - Melo - Porzingis - Dwight

Despite not being a fan of Rose, this is a great move for them because they needed a point and can easily get a better 5 than RoLo in free agency. If not Dwight, then Noah or Pau.

[CalamityX12]

wtf! what kind of package? Rose to NYK is BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad knees and everything, if he's remotely at 80% along with Melo AND Porzingas, god damnit...

And they have Hornacek who is a great coach for point guards.

Rose - X - Melo - Porzingis - Dwight

Despite not being a fan of Rose, this is a great move for them because they needed a point and can easily get a better 5 than RoLo in free agency. If not Dwight, then Noah or Pau.

D12
Noah
Gasol if a FA....

good replacements at C for NYK....

bullerrific...

[Paradise]

I didn't see that one coming. Wow. The Knicks didn't give up much except for Lopez who was their third best player. I don't expect much from Rose but the Knicks are better with him than Calderon and Grant.

[CalamityX12]

AND he's on a contract year... one would expect that he'll ball out.... good grief....