2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[shakendfries]

team don't spend money shudders at the thought of overpaying for the services of KCP



but would gladly support throwing a moderate offer at Jaymichal Green

[13th Man]

I'd give KCP Tim Hardaway Jr. money, not much more. I'd go as high as 4/72, anything more than that would be stretching our cap too thin imo. There will be more salary dump opportunities down the road you can count on that, I know everybody in the East is salivating at a playoff opportunity but the Nets are still rebuilding and need to salvage for lost picks.

This off-season has been very good so far but please be patient and stay on track Marks, don't pull a mini-Billy King here. The Nets are not contenders, they should not be putting themselves at the cap threshold.

[Ror1997]

team don't spend money shudders at the thought of overpaying for the services of KCP



but would gladly support throwing a moderate offer at Jaymichal Green

JaMychal Green is insulted that you misspelled his name and is no longer considering the offer presented by team don't spend money.

[Papi_swav]

Guys, What about sign and trade options ? There were rumors saying the Grizzlies are trying to work out a S&T for Green, how about Booker and Kilpatrick/Joe Harris for Green? Or a package of the minimum guys like Acy, Kilpatrick, Joe Harris etc..? Pistons might want to save money but if Green comes, then Booker is gone.

Maybe try to S&T for KCP too? can clear up some cap space and Pistons can probably use some shooting.

I think we should turn our attention to Dedmon, can't lowball him because Spurs will match it, he's turning 28. Would 4/44 get it done?

[MrDollarBills]

Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.

worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).

Keep in mind KCP played 33 minute per game last year, in compare to Crabbe's 28mpg, so I wouldn't use the volume as a huge problem...Crabbe is a legit pure shooter and I have no doubt that under 30+ minute per game and more shots, he'd be able to up his volume and score more points than KCP....33mpg and only 13.8ppg??..That's not good.

Crabbe is more efficient too across the board.Huge gap.....Not only for last year stats but career wize..Crabbe is a career 41% shooter from 3point while KCP is only a 35% which is not bad, but he's clearly not in Crabbe's level.

Just think about it, Lin is also a 35% career 3point shooter and you're willing to pay KCP 18M to start ahead of Lin??..At least, Lin gives you some play-making and defense at SG..I'd rather keep the money rather than spend it on KCP.


I'd bring KCP here but not for 18M...15M would be my red line..I simply don't think the guy is that good..I think Tim Hardaway is better and I think this guy will be a terrible contract for the knicks

The Nets need talented players, Jeremy Lin's starting spot is irrelevant to this process.

[Rockice_24]

4 at 68 for KCP sounds perfect. He lost all leverage once he became and UFA. If he wants to go to LA on a 1 year prove it deal and try again next year by all means go for it, I wouldn't lose sleep carrying over the cap space.

[shakendfries]

Guys, What about sign and trade options ? There were rumors saying the Grizzlies are trying to work out a S&T for Green, how about Booker and Kilpatrick/Joe Harris for Green? Or a package of the minimum guys like Acy, Kilpatrick, Joe Harris etc..? Pistons might want to save money but if Green comes, then Booker is gone.

Maybe try to S&T for KCP too? can clear up some cap space and Pistons can probably use some shooting.

I think we should turn our attention to Dedmon, can't lowball him because Spurs will match it, he's turning 28. Would 4/44 get it done?

team don't spend money is intrigued

[Prokorov]

Keep in mind KCP played 33 minute per game last year, in compare to Crabbe's 28mpg, so I wouldn't use the volume as a huge problem...Crabbe is a legit pure shooter and I have no doubt that under 30+ minute per game and more shots, he'd be able to up his volume and score more points than KCP....33mpg and only 13.8ppg??..That's not good.

How many more shots would crabbe take in 5 more minutes? 1? 2?. he starts and plays 28 minutes. the issue is usage not court time. i dont see how crabbe efficiency would stay the same on more volume, given more volume usually means more shots on the ball.

Crabbe is more efficient too across the board.Huge gap.....Not only for last year stats but career wize..Crabbe is a career 41% shooter from 3point while KCP is only a 35% which is not bad, but he's clearly not in Crabbe's level.

He isnt more efficient so much that he does all his work off the ball and only takes open shots. he creates less then 5% of his own offense. you can say crabbe is 41% and KCP is 41% but KCP is 45.2% on catch and shoot threes. in crabbes role he would have been more efficient then crabbe

Just think about it, Lin is also a 35% career 3point shooter and you're willing to pay KCP 18M to start ahead of Lin??..At least, Lin gives you some play-making and defense at SG..I'd rather keep the money rather than spend it on KCP.

yes. or over levert.

I'd bring KCP here but not for 18M...15M would be my red line..I simply don't think the guy is that good..I think Tim Hardaway is better and I think this guy will be a terrible contract for the knicks

Tim hardway isnt close to better.

[ackypoo]

bucks fan coming in peace

bucks send: rashad vaughn, john henson
bucks receive: jeremy lin

happy to include something else. what needs to be included?

[hood30]

Keep in mind KCP played 33 minute per game last year, in compare to Crabbe's 28mpg, so I wouldn't use the volume as a huge problem...Crabbe is a legit pure shooter and I have no doubt that under 30+ minute per game and more shots, he'd be able to up his volume and score more points than KCP....33mpg and only 13.8ppg??..That's not good.

How many more shots would crabbe take in 5 more minutes? 1? 2?. he starts and plays 28 minutes. the issue is usage not court time. i dont see how crabbe efficiency would stay the same on more volume, given more volume usually means more shots on the ball.

Crabbe is more efficient too across the board.Huge gap.....Not only for last year stats but career wize..Crabbe is a career 41% shooter from 3point while KCP is only a 35% which is not bad, but he's clearly not in Crabbe's level.

He isnt more efficient so much that he does all his work off the ball and only takes open shots. he creates less then 5% of his own offense. you can say crabbe is 41% and KCP is 41% but KCP is 45.2% on catch and shoot threes. in crabbes role he would have been more efficient then crabbe

Just think about it, Lin is also a 35% career 3point shooter and you're willing to pay KCP 18M to start ahead of Lin??..At least, Lin gives you some play-making and defense at SG..I'd rather keep the money rather than spend it on KCP.

yes. or over levert.

I'd bring KCP here but not for 18M...15M would be my red line..I simply don't think the guy is that good..I think Tim Hardaway is better and I think this guy will be a terrible contract for the knicks

Tim hardway isnt close to better.

Crabbe comes off the bench..He only started 7 regular season game last year...and he plays on a team with 2 high usage elite guards, so of course, in Portland, there's barely room for him to shoot. If he were traded to Brooklyn and played 33mpg, he'd definitely get up more than 1-2 extra shots...and he'd score more than KCP lowly 13ppg under low efficiency.

If Crabbe can put up 11ppg under only 8 shot attempt per game, he could easily get you 15 under KCP's 12 shot attempt per game.

More shots could also allow sharp shooters like Crabbe the chance to get in better rhythm, so I don't buy that an extra 3-4 shots would necessarily mean a huge drop in his shooting efficiency...and I've seen Crabbe shoot enough to be confident that he's a pure sharp shooter..He simply needs enough usage and shots to score 15+ ppg easily.

[hood30]

bucks fan coming in peace

bucks send: rashad vaughn, john henson
bucks receive: jeremy lin

happy to include something else. what needs to be included?

Nets would take a first round draft pick...Also, Lin would be a rental since he has an opt-out clause on his contract after this season.
Doesn't the Bucks already have a back-up PG?..Why would they need Lin..I think they have a decent looking rookie + Dellanova.

[ackypoo]

bucks fan coming in peace

bucks send: rashad vaughn, john henson
bucks receive: jeremy lin

happy to include something else. what needs to be included?

Nets would take a first round draft pick...Also, Lin would be a rental since he has an opt-out clause on his contract after this season.
Doesn't the Bucks already have a back-up PG?..Why would they need Lin..I think they have a decent looking rookie + Dellanova.

lin would make a great 6th man for the bucks, imo. would definitely want him as a rental/expiring.

not sure id see him playing PG as much as just a combo guard that can create. delly isnt really a ball handling PG, hes better off ball. so if lin/delly wanted to run the 2nd unit, i think itd be fine.

[hood30]

bucks fan coming in peace

bucks send: rashad vaughn, john henson
bucks receive: jeremy lin

happy to include something else. what needs to be included?

Nets would take a first round draft pick...Also, Lin would be a rental since he has an opt-out clause on his contract after this season.
Doesn't the Bucks already have a back-up PG?..Why would they need Lin..I think they have a decent looking rookie + Dellanova.

lin would make a great 6th man for the bucks, imo. would definitely want him as a rental/expiring.

not sure id see him playing PG as much as just a combo guard that can create. delly isnt really a ball handling PG, hes better off ball. so if lin/delly wanted to run the 2nd unit, i think itd be fine.

Including your first round pick would probably do it, so not sure whether you'd want to do it for a rental...Also, where does that leave Brogdon?..Having Lin, Brogdon and Della is a bit too much..Your team is set at PG unless you're willing to include Brogdon in the trade.

[ackypoo]

Nets would take a first round draft pick...Also, Lin would be a rental since he has an opt-out clause on his contract after this season.
Doesn't the Bucks already have a back-up PG?..Why would they need Lin..I think they have a decent looking rookie + Dellanova.

lin would make a great 6th man for the bucks, imo. would definitely want him as a rental/expiring.

not sure id see him playing PG as much as just a combo guard that can create. delly isnt really a ball handling PG, hes better off ball. so if lin/delly wanted to run the 2nd unit, i think itd be fine.

Including your first round pick would probably do it, so not sure whether you'd want to do it for a rental...Also, where does that leave Brogdon?..Having Lin, Brogdon and Della is a bit too much..Your team is set at PG unless you're willing to include Brogdon in the trade.

not interested in including anything except vaughn and maybe the kings 2nd rounder next year.

certainly not brogdon.

[Vae Victus]

Henson has 3 years left, Rashad Vaugn has shown flashes on his rookie deal. Nets will hard pass, even with a 1st rounder attached, mostly due to Henson's contract length. Now if MIL attaches 2 1st round picks then i think BRK will think long and hard.

Lin is an impact player when he's healthy and playing, and he's insurance at starting PG if DLo just happens to be a good passing SG and not a scoring PG. Too risky for BRK to take that risk, better play some of the season and see how DLo does at the 1 when he eventually gets some reps there when Lin rests, switches over to SG for a bit, or gets hurt. If DLo looks good at the 1, then BRK should start open bidding for Lin's services.

Personally i dont see that happening, im feeling Markinson will stick with the Lin/DLo backcourt all season, unless someone overpays like with 2 1st round picks. Having 2 high end combo guards who can do it all is just too tantalizing to break up. I dont see any other pairing being as good (DLo/KCP, DLo/Levert, or even Lin/KCP).

[hood30]

lin would make a great 6th man for the bucks, imo. would definitely want him as a rental/expiring.

not sure id see him playing PG as much as just a combo guard that can create. delly isnt really a ball handling PG, hes better off ball. so if lin/delly wanted to run the 2nd unit, i think itd be fine.

Including your first round pick would probably do it, so not sure whether you'd want to do it for a rental...Also, where does that leave Brogdon?..Having Lin, Brogdon and Della is a bit too much..Your team is set at PG unless you're willing to include Brogdon in the trade.

not interested in including anything except vaughn and maybe the kings 2nd rounder next year.

certainly not brogdon.

Lin will surely have a number of team after his service, so you would probably have to include a first rounder because Nets doesn't have their first round pick for an additional 2 years, I think.

Depending on how Lin plays, someone will definitely trade their first round pick for Lin, so I don't think you can get him for guys you simply want to dump.

[Karate Diop]

Nerlens Noel?

I'm pretty sure any offer the Nets throw at him will get matched - but I just don't want the Mavericks getting him on the cheap...

MAKE THEM ALL PAY MARKS! :LOL:

[Vae Victus]

Yea i just saw a thread wondering if Noel is gonna get an offer on the GenBoard.

Yea i say throw a 4 year 80 mil, 4th year Player Option and 15% trade Kicker, GET THE MAN PAID! Also build up some relationships with the agents out there

I wonder how long we can string KCP and Rich Paul

On a serious note, maybe take a run at 3 years 54 mil, 3rd year Player option, 15% trade kicker. If DAL matches oh well, if they dont thats a nice contract on a young asset.

Just start offering bargain deals and 1st one to take em, gets signed.

[MrDollarBills]

Keep in mind KCP played 33 minute per game last year, in compare to Crabbe's 28mpg, so I wouldn't use the volume as a huge problem...Crabbe is a legit pure shooter and I have no doubt that under 30+ minute per game and more shots, he'd be able to up his volume and score more points than KCP....33mpg and only 13.8ppg??..That's not good.

How many more shots would crabbe take in 5 more minutes? 1? 2?. he starts and plays 28 minutes. the issue is usage not court time. i dont see how crabbe efficiency would stay the same on more volume, given more volume usually means more shots on the ball.

Crabbe is more efficient too across the board.Huge gap.....Not only for last year stats but career wize..Crabbe is a career 41% shooter from 3point while KCP is only a 35% which is not bad, but he's clearly not in Crabbe's level.

He isnt more efficient so much that he does all his work off the ball and only takes open shots. he creates less then 5% of his own offense. you can say crabbe is 41% and KCP is 41% but KCP is 45.2% on catch and shoot threes. in crabbes role he would have been more efficient then crabbe

Just think about it, Lin is also a 35% career 3point shooter and you're willing to pay KCP 18M to start ahead of Lin??..At least, Lin gives you some play-making and defense at SG..I'd rather keep the money rather than spend it on KCP.

yes. or over levert.

I'd bring KCP here but not for 18M...15M would be my red line..I simply don't think the guy is that good..I think Tim Hardaway is better and I think this guy will be a terrible contract for the knicks

Tim hardway isnt close to better.

Hardaway Jr. isn't even in the same zip code. KCP plays both ends.

[Ror1997]

THJ has started 61 games over his 4 year career.

KCP has come off the bench just once in his last 3 years (42 non starts in total over 4 years)

KCP is more experienced, and more proven.

THJ got paid because of a 3 and a half month stretch. Without it, he would be making Tony Snell money, maybe less.

I like THJ. But to say he's the better player in a hot take. If you want to say he posted better offensive numbers than KCP that's fine. He did. But he isn't better.