The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[kamaze]

Forget it I'm talking to a brick wall.

[treiz]

I did. There's teams with guys like that on their roster. We don't have that problem..do we?

Brooklyn has the 24th highest payroll this year out of 29 teams and it goes down $10 million next year $50 million the next.
It's not like you get some of that money for being a season ticket holder either.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Being 24th out of 29 matters because? I don't care how other teams use their cap, I care about how the Nets use their cap.

Yeah it goes down the next year and the year after, but we then need to use those savings and more in order to extend RHJ/Russell/Levert/Allen if we want to prevent them hitting RFA, so unless you want to get rid of our core players then yeah you're correct.

I don't care if it's my money or not, at the end of the day there are rules in place on how much money a team can spend to build a team, that's what matters.

[kamaze]

You guys worry too much.

[Prokorov]

You guys worry too much.

Blind faith gets you the deron williams era.

i dont want another deron williams era.

[kamaze]

Back on topic, the coaching staff tells AC to keep shooting that's why they have the 3rd worst 3 point shooting %. The team shoots too many of them even if they're ice cold.

[DeRoma]

Back on topic, the coaching staff tells AC to keep shooting that's why they have the 3rd worst 3 point shooting %. The team shoots too many of them even if they're ice cold.

You also need to contribute that both our main playmakers (lin and Dlo) are injured so shooting those 3 sometimes is a must. We simply just need more talent on the court.

[Paradise]

You guys worry too much.

Blind faith gets you the deron williams era.

i dont want another deron williams era.

How is that remotely comparable? Extending RHJ, Russ, Din on their FIRST payday in the league vs Deron, Crash, JJ being on their last major payday contracts. A retread coach vs a sophomore coach that has 100% trust of his team.

The worst that can happen is we build a team the same way as Philly and guys like LeVert, Allen force us to move RHJ or Dinwiddie and they explode into stars elsewhere while we maintain our core but can’t beat a RHJ-led Magic or a Dinwiddie led Raptors team. That can happen with blind faith.

Btw, Philly will have to pay Simmons, Saric, McConnell, etc.

[kamaze]

Back on topic, the coaching staff tells AC to keep shooting that's why they have the 3rd worst 3 point shooting %. The team shoots too many of them even if they're ice cold.

You also need to contribute that both our main playmakers (lin and Dlo) are injured so shooting those 3 sometimes is a must. We simply just need more talent on the court.

True but this is the AC thread.

[LKIRNets]

You guys worry too much.

Blind faith gets you the deron williams era.

i dont want another deron williams era.

How is that remotely comparable? Extending RHJ, Russ, Din on their FIRST payday in the league vs Deron, Crash, JJ being on their last major payday contracts. A retread coach vs a sophomore coach that has 100% trust of his team.

The worst that can happen is we build a team the same way as Philly and guys like LeVert, Allen force us to move RHJ or Dinwiddie and they explode into stars elsewhere while we maintain our core but can’t beat a RHJ-led Magic or a Dinwiddie led Raptors team. That can happen with blind faith.

Btw, Philly will have to pay Simmons, Saric, McConnell, etc.

What's the basis of this discussion? what's the worry part vs the don't worry?

[Paradise]

Blind faith gets you the deron williams era.

i dont want another deron williams era.

How is that remotely comparable? Extending RHJ, Russ, Din on their FIRST payday in the league vs Deron, Crash, JJ being on their last major payday contracts. A retread coach vs a sophomore coach that has 100% trust of his team.

The worst that can happen is we build a team the same way as Philly and guys like LeVert, Allen force us to move RHJ or Dinwiddie and they explode into stars elsewhere while we maintain our core but can’t beat a RHJ-led Magic or a Dinwiddie led Raptors team. That can happen with blind faith.

Btw, Philly will have to pay Simmons, Saric, McConnell, etc.

What's the basis of this discussion? what's the worry part vs the don't worry?

Prok is worried that Marks could send us into a cap hell / luxury tax situation and put us in a ‘billy king’ two forked road when we get our picks back.

I don’t see how when we are developing guys into good players and the Deron era was considered cap hell due to how undesirable these guys were due to age, personality, durability.

RHJ is legitimately taking a significant leap, Dinwiddie is making a significant leap, etc. There’s no divas on this team and despite the critics, I forgot D’angelo was even here. We were told he’s such a distraction and he’s chilling in rehab...something Deron didn’t want to do and which is why he’s out of the league.

I’ve been in here long enough to realize that Prok is scared that Crabbe becomes a bad contract and we can’t move him in case someone elite wants to come here (Thompson...Porzingis, AD, etc).

[MrDollarBills]

I am fairly confident that if an elite talent like Klay or Porzingis wanted to come here, parts can be moved.

Outside of Thompson, who I believe will get traded and is someone I think Marks is monitoring closely, I don't see the Knicks losing KP. Thompson is definitely in play and we may be able to come to the table with an actual offer. Golden State has a luxury tax bill coming up that is insane.

[Netaman]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

[LKIRNets]

How is that remotely comparable? Extending RHJ, Russ, Din on their FIRST payday in the league vs Deron, Crash, JJ being on their last major payday contracts. A retread coach vs a sophomore coach that has 100% trust of his team.

The worst that can happen is we build a team the same way as Philly and guys like LeVert, Allen force us to move RHJ or Dinwiddie and they explode into stars elsewhere while we maintain our core but can’t beat a RHJ-led Magic or a Dinwiddie led Raptors team. That can happen with blind faith.

Btw, Philly will have to pay Simmons, Saric, McConnell, etc.

What's the basis of this discussion? what's the worry part vs the don't worry?

Prok is worried that Marks could send us into a cap hell / luxury tax situation and put us in a ‘billy king’ two forked road when we get our picks back.

I don’t see how when we are developing guys into good players and the Deron era was considered cap hell due to how undesirable these guys were due to age, personality, durability.

RHJ is legitimately taking a significant leap, Dinwiddie is making a significant leap, etc. There’s no divas on this team and despite the critics, I forgot D’angelo was even here. We were told he’s such a distraction and he’s chilling in rehab...something Deron didn’t want to do and which is why he’s out of the league.

I’ve been in here long enough to realize that Prok is scared that Crabbe becomes a bad contract and we can’t move him in case someone elite wants to come here (Thompson...Porzingis, AD, etc).

If Russell turns into a star they have to resign him. DinWiddie will make a leap, just look at George Hill. Allen is under control until 2022. Mozgov goes off the books. Here's where Jahlil Okafor comes in. Do they go long term and extend him?

If DLo is making 15 in the cap, that's 60 MIL, replacing Mozgov wit Okafor's contract is a plus. Jarret Allen and potential draft picks.

I don't think we'll be anywhere near $80M even wit Crabb's contract. The question is Jeremy Lin. Does he take a pay cut or is he trade bait? Signing Stauskas is a must this offseason.

[Paradise]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

I don’t know. We could address the backup F position.

- Ed Davis
- Ersan Ilyasova
- James Ennis
- Julius Randle

[LKIRNets]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

I don’t know. We could address the backup F position.

- Ed Davis
- Ersan Ilyasova
- James Ennis
- Julius Randle

Randle would be cheap. He has some tools that Kenny would love.

[Netaman]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

I don’t know. We could address the backup F position.

- Ed Davis
- Ersan Ilyasova
- James Ennis
- Julius Randle

They could pretty easily maneuver to sign any of those guys (if they don't already have enough room outright), with the possible exception of Randle depending on how the rest of his season goes. My point was like Porter last year, there are only 1 or 2 players they could even attempt to sign for more than $20M/year and it's an extreme longshot.

[treiz]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

Did you take into account the extensions we're going to need to hand out to RHJ/Russell either this offseason or to match them next offseason if they hit RFA or are you completely ignoring that for now? Because apart from that I have no idea where you get your math from.

[Prokorov]

Back on topic, the coaching staff tells AC to keep shooting that's why they have the 3rd worst 3 point shooting %. The team shoots too many of them even if they're ice cold.

Shooting poor from 3 > shooting average from 2.

its the only thing keeping us from being 0-30. we dont have good offensive players. playing with pace and shooting high efficiencny shots is 100% the way to go.

id rather crabbe shoot 37% from three on alot of threes then shoot 44% from 2 on alot of twos

[Prokorov]

How is that remotely comparable? Extending RHJ, Russ, Din on their FIRST payday in the league vs Deron, Crash, JJ being on their last major payday contracts. A retread coach vs a sophomore coach that has 100% trust of his team.

The worst that can happen is we build a team the same way as Philly and guys like LeVert, Allen force us to move RHJ or Dinwiddie and they explode into stars elsewhere while we maintain our core but can’t beat a RHJ-led Magic or a Dinwiddie led Raptors team. That can happen with blind faith.

Btw, Philly will have to pay Simmons, Saric, McConnell, etc.

What's the basis of this discussion? what's the worry part vs the don't worry?

Prok is worried that Marks could send us into a cap hell / luxury tax situation and put us in a ‘billy king’ two forked road when we get our picks back.

I don’t see how when we are developing guys into good players and the Deron era was considered cap hell due to how undesirable these guys were due to age, personality, durability.

RHJ is legitimately taking a significant leap, Dinwiddie is making a significant leap, etc. There’s no divas on this team and despite the critics, I forgot D’angelo was even here. We were told he’s such a distraction and he’s chilling in rehab...something Deron didn’t want to do and which is why he’s out of the league.

I’ve been in here long enough to realize that Prok is scared that Crabbe becomes a bad contract and we can’t move him in case someone elite wants to come here (Thompson...Porzingis, AD, etc).

that is 100000000000000% NOT what i said.

What i said was the attitude Kamakaze has of "everyone makes mistakes so never worry about GM mistakes" is what leads to bad things. and having blind faith no matter what is what allows something like the billy king era to happen

i never said we are headed down a billy king path. just pointing out his flawed logic.

I do think the crabbe move will prove to be a bad one, but nothing like the wallace deal or that situation. but we will have some VERY tough decisions the next 2 summers.

we are staring a situation in the face where we are over the cap with a 30 win team.

[Prokorov]

A lot of chicken little'ing going on re: the cap situation. They could pretty easily get max room this year, which they won't because there's nobody to spend it on, and they're on target to have enough space for a max each of the following years. Mozgov and Crabbe are their only 2 big contracts and both have just 2 years remaining. They will have $30M in expiring deals heading into next year and $37M in additional expiring contracts heading into 2019.

hypothetically? how are you sheeding that 11-14M for a max deal this summer? I dont see it without trading carroll, mozgov, or allen?