Harden-watch 2020

[Prokorov]

If Philly offers Ben Simmons thats by far the best deal. Here are some other options:

Boston for Jaylen Brown
Miami for Tyler Herro
Golden State for Wiseman and Minny Pick
Denver for Michael Porter Jr.


Toronto for Siakim, but they probably don't do that.

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

i view wiseman and the minny pick as part of the 5 picks. no established player in there.

I think something like brown+ picks, Simmons + picks, Siakim + picks, Booker + picks, that kinda thing.

[Hello Brooklyn]

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

Since when is Tyler Herro an all star level talent?

Jaylen Brown??????

People take a dump on our players yet these names aren't really that much better than what we're offering.

Herro does have all-star level talent. Hes only 20 years old.

Jaylen Brown is a borderline all star and only 24. Also great defensively.

I like Levert but he doesn't have nearly as much value. He can never stay healthy and is already 26.

[MrDollarBills]

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

i view wiseman and the minny pick as part of the 5 picks. no established player in there.

I think something like brown+ picks, Simmons + picks, Siakim + picks, Booker + picks, that kinda thing.

You mean Tatum + Picks right?

[Hello Brooklyn]

none of those come close. any deal has to start with 3 firsts + 2 pick swaps. then from there either 1-3 fringe all-stars are 1 legit all-star.

Herro no. wiseman and minny pick no. MPJ no. Brown fits if you add the 5 picks, but ainge wont do either

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

i view wiseman and the minny pick as part of the 5 picks. no established player in there.

I think something like brown+ picks, Simmons + picks, Siakim + picks, Booker + picks, that kinda thing.

You probably have to include Wiggins or Oubre in the deal too for the "established player" part.

If I'm Houston and I can get back Wiseman and another lottery pick from Minny, I'm doing it without question.

Simmons would obviously be the best option, but I said in the beginning outside of that. I'm not sure Philly will offer him.

Booker is a non-starter, won't happen.

You would prefer Siakim? I would have no interest on that contract.

[MrDollarBills]

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

Since when is Tyler Herro an all star level talent?

Jaylen Brown??????

People take a dump on our players yet these names aren't really that much better than what we're offering.

Herro does have all-star level talent. Hes only 20 years old.

Jaylen Brown is a borderline all star and only 24. Also great defensively.

I like Levert but he doesn't have nearly as much value. He can never stay healthy and is already 26.

I'm not arguing who is better, I am saying that Houston's asking price and these names don't add up. Neither of those players are guys who you can consider franchise level talent.

I wouldn't be so quick to coronate Herro as an all star. His game has a lot of growing to do.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I mean I just meant as a base. Obviously all of these deals would require multiple picks and pick swaps.

Brown, Smart + 3 picks would probably get it done.

Herro, multiple first rounders, maybe not, but its certainly better than our deal.

Why is the Golden State deal a no assuming they add more first rounders? Wiseman is a rookie with superstar potential. And the Minny pick will likely be lottery. This is by far the best package they can get.

MPJ and 3 first rounders and Garry Harris would also be a good deal.

What exactly are you expecting Houston to get?

i view wiseman and the minny pick as part of the 5 picks. no established player in there.

I think something like brown+ picks, Simmons + picks, Siakim + picks, Booker + picks, that kinda thing.

You mean Tatum + Picks right?

Tatum will not be on the table.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Since when is Tyler Herro an all star level talent?

Jaylen Brown??????

People take a dump on our players yet these names aren't really that much better than what we're offering.

Herro does have all-star level talent. Hes only 20 years old.

Jaylen Brown is a borderline all star and only 24. Also great defensively.

I like Levert but he doesn't have nearly as much value. He can never stay healthy and is already 26.

I'm not arguing who is better, I am saying that Houston's asking price and these names don't add up. Neither of those players are guys who you can consider franchise level talent.

I wouldn't be so quick to coronate Herro as an all star. His game has a lot of growing to do.

I mean who cares about Houston's asking price?

This is the best they can get. They're not getting back a 23 year old superstar. It won't happen.

[MrDollarBills]

i view wiseman and the minny pick as part of the 5 picks. no established player in there.

I think something like brown+ picks, Simmons + picks, Siakim + picks, Booker + picks, that kinda thing.

You mean Tatum + Picks right?

Tatum will not be on the table.

Per Houston's demands, he'd better

[StepBackCrack]

Herro is one of the most overrated players now. He is just a nice role player. That's it. If he has "all-star" potential, then Allen has "all-star" potential as well. Also Sixers won't offer Simmons. I would be so shocked if that actually happens. He is only 24 and already an all-star that can grow and improve even further. I can't see it happening.

[StepBackCrack]

Brown is nowhere near Simmons imo. Brown is closer to Levert in terms of talent than Simmons.

[StepBackCrack]

Honestly, I'm also tired of this Harden saga as well. I don't care what happens now. Nets will be good either way but I would love one more wing defender for the Nets if possible to help strengthen the defense. I wish they just trade for Tucker before the deadline. Just Tucker, no Harden. What would be a reasonable offer for him? Hopefully Nets can strengthen the team mid season if needed.

[MrDollarBills]

Brown is nowhere near Simmons imo. Brown is closer to Levert in terms of talent than Simmons.

Simmons is an all star level talent, a consistent jump shot away from being unstoppable. Brown or Herro are nowhere near that.

Brown is better than LeVert, but that's where this conversation ends. You can't even lump Brown or Herro in the same category as Simmons in terms of on court impact, and this is without having a jumpshot. Simmons can get to anywhere on the floor at will.

[DarkXaero]

This isn't over from our end yet, I don't think we've even made the kind of potential offer that would tempt Rockets. I think whatever discussions Marks had with Houston, he wasn't willing to give up the most he realistically could. Also, at this point, none of the other contenders have made serious offers either. I don't think Morey will offer Simmons right away, contrary to what many people think. I don't think Ainge is interested either as they're happy with Jaylen Brown. That leaves the likes of Denver & Miami who can make interesting offers, but not necessarily better than what we can offer.

[Pablo Escobar]

The issue that hasn't been addressed for your team is who is guarding Lebron and Ad? or Kawhi, Tatum, Giannis etc. You guys have the scoring and getting Harden would be great but I still see a lot of holes defensively for you guys. Unless the plan is to simply outscore everyone.. lol

[MrDollarBills]

The issue that hasn't been addressed for your team is who is guarding Lebron and Ad? or Kawhi, Tatum, Giannis etc. You guys have the scoring and getting Harden would be great but I still see a lot of holes defensively for you guys. Unless the plan is to simply outscore everyone.. lol

We'll most likely be relying on team defensive schemes at this point. Frankly, the fact of the matter is, we know that while we may have trouble guarding those guys, they aren't guarding us either.

I do anticipate however, a trade or signing at some point after the buyouts happen later in the season of a veteran that can help out on D. I'm kind of hoping we can snatch away PJ Tucker from the Rockets since i've heard that he isn't happy there either.

[Pablo Escobar]

The issue that hasn't been addressed for your team is who is guarding Lebron and Ad? or Kawhi, Tatum, Giannis etc. You guys have the scoring and getting Harden would be great but I still see a lot of holes defensively for you guys. Unless the plan is to simply outscore everyone.. lol

We'll most likely be relying on team defensive schemes at this point. Frankly, the fact of the matter is, we know that while we may have trouble guarding those guys, they aren't guarding us either.

I do anticipate however, a trade or signing at some point after the buyouts happen later in the season of a veteran that can help out on D. I'm kind of hoping we can snatch away PJ Tucker from the Rockets since i've heard that he isn't happy there either.

Yeah PJ would be great at the 4. I even thought Covington would be a great get for you guys as well.

[MrDollarBills]

The issue that hasn't been addressed for your team is who is guarding Lebron and Ad? or Kawhi, Tatum, Giannis etc. You guys have the scoring and getting Harden would be great but I still see a lot of holes defensively for you guys. Unless the plan is to simply outscore everyone.. lol

We'll most likely be relying on team defensive schemes at this point. Frankly, the fact of the matter is, we know that while we may have trouble guarding those guys, they aren't guarding us either.

I do anticipate however, a trade or signing at some point after the buyouts happen later in the season of a veteran that can help out on D. I'm kind of hoping we can snatch away PJ Tucker from the Rockets since i've heard that he isn't happy there either.

Yeah PJ would be great at the 4. I even thought Covington would be a great get for you guys as well.

I wanted Covington here badly. I'm still upset that the Nets didn't go after that deal.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The issue that hasn't been addressed for your team is who is guarding Lebron and Ad? or Kawhi, Tatum, Giannis etc. You guys have the scoring and getting Harden would be great but I still see a lot of holes defensively for you guys. Unless the plan is to simply outscore everyone.. lol

Taurean Prince and Jeff Green. They both have the size and length to do it.

Deandre Jordan will provide the interior defense we need.

[StepBackCrack]

Prince is a massive "if". He will need to improve a lot. Also I'm not so sure old DJ can provide anything meaningful in the playoffs apart from rebounds, screening and catching some balls and dunk them. There is a better chance of Allen improving and providing better defense. Hope that happens.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Prince is a massive "if". He will need to improve a lot. Also I'm not so sure old DJ can provide anything meaningful in the playoffs apart from rebounds, screening and catching some balls and dunk them. There is a better chance of Allen improving and providing better defense. Hope that happens.

I completely disagree about Jordan. He was good defensively last season and will be ever more motivated with Kyrie/KD. I think he will be awesome defensively. Not as good as his peak but close.

He will be crucial in guarding guys like Embiid or Bam.

Prince is a massive "if." But I want to take a chance on him rather than just giving up and having to trade from someone else.

Zach Lowe even included him in his latest columns about players that can improve this year.