Why Teletovic should start for Brooklyn

[NyCeEvO]

Jeremy Lin looked pretty bad in the limited time that he played.

Once he was forced to play a lot of minutes, he looked much better.

We've seen Tele thrive in the best league overseas. While it's not the NBA, he was still competing at a very high level.

We should give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a huge chunk of minutes especially in games against teams below .500. It doesn't make sense not to do so.

He needs real game situations, not just practice, and there's no reason why he can't get it.

[serp]

@ the new guy :

Do you really want to endure more of Hump/Evans making our offense easy to defend resulting in UGLY possesion after ugly possesion ?

I rather try something new instead of something thats already proven not to be effective.
It's the only thing we haven't tried yet short of a trade .
So why not do it ? It's not like we have anything to lose. Evans and Hump haven't played well in weeks nothing to lose here. Yeah they played well a while back , but right now ?
They're liabilities on the offensive end and barely make up defensivly . Even rebounding wise they've gotten so much worse that there's no reason to give them the bulk of the minutes anymore.

[PetroNet]

I'm all for starting Mirza, I think it is the best move for this team right now. Even if you are going to start him, but limit him to 15-20 minutes. I think the most important reason to do it, is because reducing evans role and minutes will make him a better, fresher, more aggressive player who can play with the energy we saw earlier in the season.

I think the impact mirza will have, is greatly overstated. He will give us better spacing, but offensively, our spacing issues are greatly exaggerated. even with evans on the floor, our guys have plenty of room to operate, and we still force hard double teams(something you actually want on offense). there are alot of issues at work. Lopez passing has improved, but its still very poor against a hard quick double team. he is just too slow to react. we dont finish well as a team at the rim, so even when we do move the ball well against the double team, often it results in overpassing back out from the paint instead of a layup attempt. our best offense out of the double team, is fankly, swigning it for a corner or wing 3. in which case, obviously mirza helps, however wallace and bogans have been passible in that regard. If mirza can come in and hit 35-40% it obviously is a boost, and helps spacing even more.... but again, we dont really have guys who penetrate off the dribble to take huge advantage of that. its more of guys who are going to slowly back in, or over dribble alowing teams to hedge against us.

Mirza needs to play, and play more. simply because he is much better offensively then our other 4's. that alone should give him a rotational role. but he isnt dirk. he might not even be novak(hard to say until we see him get consistent shot attempts)

[vincecarter4pres]

@ the new guy :

Do you really want to endure more of Hump/Evans making our offense easy to defend resulting in UGLY possesion after ugly possesion ?

I rather try something new instead of something thats already proven not to be effective.
It's the only thing we haven't tried yet short of a trade .
So why not do it ? It's not like we have anything to lose. Evans and Hump haven't played well in weeks nothing to lose here. Yeah they played well a while back , but right now ?
They're liabilities on the offensive end and barely make up defensively . Even rebounding wise they've gotten so much worse that there's no reason to give them the bulk of the minutes anymore.

This.

You can wax on haterific all you like about Mirza, but the guys he's aiming to supplant are complete outer space garbage on a collision course with an ocean of suck after entering the crapmosphere.

Maybe Mirza would be painfully awful as a starter, in a role of 20 something steady minutes per game?

But guess what?

With the uber scrubs playing in front of him it's an experiment that needs to happen. That or Blatche needs to start and whichever of the 2 gets the nod, both need a diet of around 18 + minutes per game on a mainly steady basis and Hump and Evans need to be used a lot less and in a different manner and in different lineup combinations.

And I would argue Mirza over Blatche because there's a good chance if Mirza is good he's a long term big minute rotation player for this team whether as a starter or 6xth man, where as Blatche may very well move on after this season.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Mirza was once again hidden from a REAL team. Nets still beat the Bulls without Tele.

Playing well vs the Phoenix's and Orlando's of the world doesnt impress me. When Tele plays well vs a playoff team let me know.

Nets wasted their MLE on this guy and supposedly he took a "discount" what a joke. We are almost 50 games into the season and people are still in denial that this guy is a bust.

37.8% FG does not = $3.1 mil

Go ahead and make your excuses.

[vincecarter4pres]

Who would have thought for the first time since the first year I joined this site I've put two people on my ignore list and both would come from the Nets board?

[therealbig3]

When has he actually gotten playing time against a real team? He just doesn't get to play, and barely beating the Bulls at home without Rose, Noah, Boozer, and Hinrich isn't very impressive. And a lot of that had to do with how ineffective Evans was. We played a lot better when we went small and played Wallace at PF.

We beat them by more points if Tele plays. We don't commit as many TOs, we probably get a couple more 3s, and the middle of the floor gets opened up a lot more.

Spacing is probably the most important thing for an offense, it can't be understated. And in this case, Evans being a complete non-factor on offense to the point that he's literally left alone not only doesn't provide spacing, it kills it.

Tele>Evans, don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

When has he actually gotten playing time against a real team? He just doesn't get to play, and barely beating the Bulls at home without Rose, Noah, Boozer, and Hinrich isn't very impressive. And a lot of that had to do with how ineffective Evans was. We played a lot better when we went small and played Wallace at PF.

We beat them by more points if Tele plays. We don't commit as many TOs, we probably get a couple more 3s, and the middle of the floor gets opened up a lot more.

Spacing is probably the most important thing for an offense, it can't be understated. And in this case, Evans being a complete non-factor on offense to the point that he's literally left alone not only doesn't provide spacing, it kills it.

Tele>Evans, don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise.

Saying Tele>Evans is like saying Crabs>Syphilis. This is a tallest midget argument. Neither should be playing let alone starting. Blatche should be starting with Hump and Wallace getting the backup minutes.

Each position gets 48 minutes a game.

Lopez gets 30 minutes a game so that leaves 18 minutes for Blatche as backup center.

CENTER: LOPEZ 30 / BLATCHE 18

Blatche should be playing 30 minutes a game as well. He is one of our 4 top players. That leaves him 12 minutes next to Lopez as a PF.

Wallace gets about a 3rd of his minutes (10 min) at PF.

Hump should be getting close to 20 minutes as a backup

The remaining scraps get split out to scrubs. If PJ wants to play Lopez more minutes in a given game these minutes go to Blatche at PF

POWER FORWARD: Blatche 12 / Wallace 10 / Hump 20 / Tele & Evans 6

This is how I think the frontcourt minutes should be broken up.

[therealbig3]

Tele>Hump too, don't see how you could argue that either. Hump has been straight up garbage.

[Jersey Generals]

Who would have thought for the first time since the first year I joined this site I've put two people on my ignore list and both would come from the Nets board?

Isn't this Force? I thought it was.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Tele>Hump too, don't see how you could argue that either. Hump has been straight up garbage.

I dont see how you can say Tele is better then anyone. Evans and Hump have both won us games this year. Mirza has not. You have no basis to say that other then fandom.

Saying Tele is good is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can dress it up all you like but it doesnt change what it is.

[therealbig3]

I can actually evaluate skill sets, and Hump doesn't provide anything outside of rebounding. He's almost as big of an offensive liability as Evans.

Tele is a very good shooter, he can put the ball on the floor a little bit, and he's shown flashes of being a good passer. Offensively, he's light years better than Hump and Evans.

Defensively, we're barely losing anything, if at all.

Now show me your cherry-picked stats based on barely any playing time.

[serp]

Teletovic had at least as much positive net impact as Hump did this Season so far. Evans probably had more than both of them combined but i seems he's been overplayed and lost and step or two in almost every department because of it.

It's kind of like Stackhouse on a smaller scale. He was very useful at the beginning of the season but because he got too many minutes he lost all of his usefulness and became utter garbage.

[Paradise]

Amazes me that it was only what? 2 weeks ago Tele had a breakout game then followed it with 2 more good impressive games, only to find himself on the bench. It's like PJ was waiting for a reason not to play him and soon as he got sick, it was the ultimate opportunity.

Imagine if we had Lillard or Drummond. They could have posted career highs in 3 straight games and still end up on the bench with zero playing time.

Another factor, Teletovic provides is fresh legs. He has a hunger that can be used in the rotation especially in a season where everyone is banged up and tired. Put in a guy that is fresh and ready for an opportunity.

It's getting pathetic at this point, I'm starting to wonder if King/Proky will have to TELL PJ to use him. He's making nearly 10 million dollars and not being used whatsoever but it was perfectly okay to use Stackhouse's old ass despite the fact he proved that his little Stacksanity run was over and he became a cancer on the floor.

[N Ireland Nets]

I love how he uses the argument "he only plays against trash team" yet only on our last road trip he came on and made a difference in the Houston game, which the Nets were terrible in.

Came in late in the 3rd for his 1st burn of the game against Houston and took the Houston lead from 18 down to 9 I think it was in the space of 2 or 3 minutes.

But you wouldn't talk about that.....

Tele only gets burn under PJ if we're down big and need some 3's or getting blown out. PJ just refuses to give him game time.

Also Teletovic is such a bust that Greg Popovich called him "a good player from a very good program." So I'll take his opinion over yours DWillOfTheGoDz

[therealbig3]

Yeah, I said it before, but I would actually really like to see what a coach like Popovich could do with Teletovic.

Tele has legit NBA skills, and they're being completely wasted. I understand earlier in the year not to play him, because he looked lost and unprepared for the NBA, but that's not the case anymore imo.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

I can actually evaluate skill sets, and Hump doesn't provide anything outside of rebounding. He's almost as big of an offensive liability as Evans.

Tele is a very good shooter, he can put the ball on the floor a little bit, and he's shown flashes of being a good passer. Offensively, he's light years better than Hump and Evans.

Defensively, we're barely losing anything, if at all.

Now show me your cherry-picked stats based on barely any playing time.

So much Fail in what you posted

1. Hump = Evans offensively? Really. Hump's shot is infinitely better the Evans as proven by his 77% FT. He also finishes well in the paint and gets to the line.
2. Tele is shooting sub 40% but he is very good at shooting? OK I guess you set the bar low
3. Tele cant dribble. Just stop. Every time he tries to drive to the rim he fumbles the ball.
4. Tele has a 1:1 Assist:TO ratio. Hardly flashed of anything
5. Tele is one of the worse defenders at PF in the NBA. Called them cherry picked stats on limited playing time all you want. I cant tell what Tele would do with more time but NEWS FLASH: NEITHER CAN YOU OR ANYONE SUGGESTING HE SHOULD PLAY MORE. All I can tell you is based on the minutes he has played he hasnt been good at anything.

If people were being objective in their review of Mirza they cant defend how poorly he has played.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

I love how he uses the argument "he only plays against trash team" yet only on our last road trip he came on and made a difference in the Houston game, which the Nets were terrible in.

Came in late in the 3rd for his 1st burn of the game against Houston and took the Houston lead from 18 down to 9 I think it was in the space of 2 or 3 minutes.

But you wouldn't talk about that.....

Tele only gets burn under PJ if we're down big and need some 3's or getting blown out. PJ just refuses to give him game time.

Also Teletovic is such a bust that Greg Popovich called him "a good player from a very good program." So I'll take his opinion over yours DWillOfTheGoDz

You think Tele made a differnce in the Houston game we got blown out in? I dont think you understand basketball my friend. He didnt get into the game until we were down by 20. cutting 9 points off a 20 point defecit is not making an impact. ITS GARBAGE TIME. That means Houston pulled off the dogs because the game was decided already. They already had the game won. Its when they play their worst players.

You say PJ refuses to give him game time. Mirza hasnt earned game time. He still makes the same defensive mistakes he made in the beginning of the season. It's not a conspiracy as to why he isnt playing. It's because he isnt good enough.

And as far as the POP quote your making that up completely. Why dont you post what Pop actually said and show me where he names Teletovic or the Nets? I know you wont because he didnt say either. Stop lying.

And to answer why I got Banned from ND it's because Net Income cant handle people calling him out like he does to others. He accused me of personally attacking him because I said he only posts when the Nets win and he called that an attack. I then posted a direct quote of him doing the exact same thing word for word. He deleted the post and banned me. I saved a copy of it though to prove what kind of hypocrite he is.

[Paradise]

So much Fail in what you posted

1. Hump = Evans offensively? Really. Hump's shot is infinitely better the Evans as proven by his 77% FT. He also finishes well in the paint and gets to the line.

Shockingly, I agree here. You'd atleast have a 5% better chance at getting more offense out of Hump than Evans.

2. Tele is shooting sub 40% but he is very good at shooting? OK I guess you set the bar low

....Not sure if serious? He's shooting it high under PJ rather than Avery. He's also getting inconsistent minutes. His percentages in the season overall is irreverent.

3. Tele cant dribble. Just stop. Every time he tries to drive to the rim he fumbles the ball.

Considering they're both white, It's very understandable that you confused him with Kris. Especially since It's "33" and "43"...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with that mix up.

4. Tele has a 1:1 Assist:TO ratio. Hardly flashed of anything

Any how many minutes does he get?.....I'll wait

5. Tele is one of the worse defenders at PF in the NBA. Called them cherry picked stats on limited playing time all you want. I cant tell what Tele would do with more time but NEWS FLASH: NEITHER CAN YOU OR ANYONE SUGGESTING HE SHOULD PLAY MORE. All I can tell you is based on the minutes he has played he hasnt been good at anything.

He shot 50% between 16 to 20ft and 51% in 3s and 50% overall in jumpers in 8 minutes per game. But he hasn't been good at anything? Ok.

If people were being objective in their review of Mirza they cant defend how poorly he has played.

If you were being objective, you would see he's played in garbage time that accounts for his overall defense. Not his defense in meaningful minutes. I bet we would probably be #1 in scoring defense if the 3rd stringers defended in garbage time too.

Yet, that is irreverent. He's made nothing but positive impacts across the board in the meaningful minutes he's gotten in tight games and that Houston game just by spreading the floor he sparked a 10-1 run.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

If you were being objective, you would see he's played in garbage time that accounts for his overall defense. Not his defense in meaningful minutes. I bet we would probably be #1 in scoring defense if the 3rd stringers defended in garbage time too.

Yet, that is irreverent. He's made nothing but positive impacts across the board in the meaningful minutes he's gotten in tight games and that Houston game just by spreading the floor he sparked a 10-1 run.

I remember when Scalabrine was a Net and I dont ever remember asking myself

" I know Veal doesn't play all that well vs the opponents 3rd stringers but I bet that's because he isnt playing enough minutes vs better competition. If we started him he would play much better. Im sure of this"

This is what the Tele hype sounds like to me.