Realistic options to move deron williams?

[cammac]

Realistically, what would it take to move him? is the best we can do someone elses bad contract? would we have to give someone plumlee/pick/bogs in order to take williams off our hands? now that amares deal is almost up and joes is down to 2 years williams has the worst contract in the NBA.

and at 30 years old, it wont be easy to move him. What team has someone on a bad contract that runs maybe a year shorter? maybe something like plumlee and williams for eric gordon or tyreke evans?


honestly looking through all 30 teams the only other 2 guys i could come up with are javale mcgee and rudy gay. and neither team needs a PG

Well ever player is movable the Raptors proved it this year twice with the Bargs to NYKS trade and Gay to SAC
Could see one team who would take him would be Detroit. Deron + filler for Jennings and Smith. Not exactly wonderful but think best trade out there.

[MrDollarBills]

We're not taking back any contract that runs past 2016

[Prokorov]

Realistically, what would it take to move him? is the best we can do someone elses bad contract? would we have to give someone plumlee/pick/bogs in order to take williams off our hands? now that amares deal is almost up and joes is down to 2 years williams has the worst contract in the NBA.

and at 30 years old, it wont be easy to move him. What team has someone on a bad contract that runs maybe a year shorter? maybe something like plumlee and williams for eric gordon or tyreke evans?


honestly looking through all 30 teams the only other 2 guys i could come up with are javale mcgee and rudy gay. and neither team needs a PG

Well ever player is movable the Raptors proved it this year twice with the Bargs to NYKS trade and Gay to SAC
Could see one team who would take him would be Detroit. Deron + filler for Jennings and Smith. Not exactly wonderful but think best trade out there.

Derons contract is much worse then bargs and gay and gay is better then dwill and younger and healthier.

dwill is gonan be 30, has proven he cant carry you out of the first round, even with home court, has health issues, has confidence issues, and has been somewhat of a coachkiller.

id do dwill for smith in a second. no way the pistons do. jennings is younger, better, and cheaper

[Prokorov]

We're not taking back any contract that runs past 2016

if we trade dwill, we can though...

dwill makes 23M in 2016

Smith makes 14M in 2016.

that trade shaves 9M off our 2016 number and gives us a younge rplayer to help build with. id be all for that. Also i think he fits in great with kids style of play. athletic player who plays defense and since we play small smith would go back to being a PF

[NyCeEvO]

We're not taking back any contract that runs past 2016

if we trade dwill, we can though...

dwill makes 23M in 2016

Smith makes 14M in 2016.

that trade shaves 9M off our 2016 number and gives us a younge rplayer to help build with. id be all for that. Also i think he fits in great with kids style of play. athletic player who plays defense and since we play small smith would go back to being a PF

I agree that Smith would fit more with Kidd's style but I'd really fear that Kidd would encourage Smith to continue to take a bunch of 3s in the same way that Kidd encouraged Blatche to go out and take 3s.

If you can force Smith to take pride in playing like a big man, he's a great player but when you allow him to do whatever he wants to do, it all falls apart.

In addition to that, I haven't seen him play at all this year. His athleticism is what really carries his value and if he has lost any of it, it negatively impacts his value in my eyes.

[Prokorov]

We're not taking back any contract that runs past 2016

if we trade dwill, we can though...

dwill makes 23M in 2016

Smith makes 14M in 2016.

that trade shaves 9M off our 2016 number and gives us a younge rplayer to help build with. id be all for that. Also i think he fits in great with kids style of play. athletic player who plays defense and since we play small smith would go back to being a PF

I agree that Smith would fit more with Kidd's style but I'd really fear that Kidd would encourage Smith to continue to take a bunch of 3s in the same way that Kidd encouraged Blatche to go out and take 3s.

If you can force Smith to take pride in playing like a big man, he's a great player but when you allow him to do whatever he wants to do, it all falls apart.

In addition to that, I haven't seen him play at all this year. His athleticism is what really carries his value and if he has lost any of it, it negatively impacts his value in my eyes.

While kidd may encurage him to shoot 3's, playing the 4 i think still lends to less of those. and even with kidd encouraging blatche to take them, he still only took 45 on the year.

As far as athleticism, smith hasnt lost any of that

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfj66v27ME[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPgqZq3HMo[/youtube]

[NyCeEvO]

if we trade dwill, we can though...

dwill makes 23M in 2016

Smith makes 14M in 2016.

that trade shaves 9M off our 2016 number and gives us a younge rplayer to help build with. id be all for that. Also i think he fits in great with kids style of play. athletic player who plays defense and since we play small smith would go back to being a PF

I agree that Smith would fit more with Kidd's style but I'd really fear that Kidd would encourage Smith to continue to take a bunch of 3s in the same way that Kidd encouraged Blatche to go out and take 3s.

If you can force Smith to take pride in playing like a big man, he's a great player but when you allow him to do whatever he wants to do, it all falls apart.

In addition to that, I haven't seen him play at all this year. His athleticism is what really carries his value and if he has lost any of it, it negatively impacts his value in my eyes.

While kidd may encurage him to shoot 3's, playing the 4 i think still lends to less of those. and even with kidd encouraging blatche to take them, he still only took 45 on the year.

As far as athleticism, smith hasnt lost any of that

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfj66v27ME[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPgqZq3HMo[/youtube]

I'd have to watch full games to see it. Two plays aren't going to reassure me that his athleticism is still there.


However, I do agree that he's a much better smallball 4 than Pierce is.

IMO, I'd much rather see a JJ and Pierce go back to playing a 2/3 and a player that's actually 6'8"+ play the 4 spot.

Pierce gives up way too much size and if he's not playing well, he's an instant negative on the court because of the rebounding disadvantage.

[Prokorov]

I agree that Smith would fit more with Kidd's style but I'd really fear that Kidd would encourage Smith to continue to take a bunch of 3s in the same way that Kidd encouraged Blatche to go out and take 3s.

If you can force Smith to take pride in playing like a big man, he's a great player but when you allow him to do whatever he wants to do, it all falls apart.

In addition to that, I haven't seen him play at all this year. His athleticism is what really carries his value and if he has lost any of it, it negatively impacts his value in my eyes.

While kidd may encurage him to shoot 3's, playing the 4 i think still lends to less of those. and even with kidd encouraging blatche to take them, he still only took 45 on the year.

As far as athleticism, smith hasnt lost any of that

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfj66v27ME[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPgqZq3HMo[/youtube]

I'd have to watch full games to see it. Two plays aren't going to reassure me that his athleticism is still there.


However, I do agree that he's a much better smallball 4 than Pierce is.

IMO, I'd much rather see a JJ and Pierce go back to playing a 2/3 and a player that's actually 6'8"+ play the 4 spot.

Pierce gives up way too much size and if he's not playing well, he's an instant negative on the court because of the rebounding disadvantage.

he still has every bit of athleticism he has always had. he has had a ton of poster dunks. including a bunch on us. elite explosiveness still. top 5 in the game for sure.

as far as pierce, i dont like him at the 3. too slow. id just make him the backup PF or look to trade him... or, simple dont bring him back.

[therealbig3]

Well, many people were convinced that as poorly as Deron played during the year, the Rockets would always be willing to trade Lin/Asik for him. But what really sucks is that the Rockets are going to be going after Melo, and they probably wouldn't touch a D-Will trade until that resolves itself.

If they strike out on Melo though, I'd call them up immediately. Lin and Asik expire after 2015, works out perfectly for us.

I wouldn't touch Josh Smith with a 10 foot pole.

[NyCeEvO]

Well, many people were convinced that as poorly as Deron played during the year, the Rockets would always be willing to trade Lin/Asik for him. But what really sucks is that the Rockets are going to be going after Melo, and they probably wouldn't touch a D-Will trade until that resolves itself.

If they strike out on Melo though, I'd call them up immediately. Lin and Asik expire after 2015, works out perfectly for us.

I've thought the same thing except I don't know if the Rockets are as gung ho about Melo as people are indicating.

Melo and Harden both need the ball to be effective. I don't see either agreeing to being an off-the-ball scorer.

I can see them thinking that having D-Will be a 3rd option might be best for them and might actually get D-Will to play well again since he'd be two layers of responsibility away from being the man lol.

[MrDollarBills]

i want no parts of Smith. He plays like an idiot.

[Prokorov]

i want no parts of Smith. He plays like an idiot.

not when he is slotted at PF. in atlanta when they had him there he played great, had outstand efficiency and filled the stat sheet in a kirilenko-esque way. When he played PF for atlanta last he had a 21 PER, 54TS, and averaged over 4 assists a game... on top of playing really solid defense.

plus, ill take a boneheaded smith who plays hard, makes 9 million less then dwill and is a plus defender of deron williams who doesnt play hard, doesnt play defense and gets outplayed by the scrub PGs of the nba on the regular

[MrDollarBills]

As usual, I agree.

I'll take Jennings and Smith for that fat tub of lard.

[therealbig3]

What about Deron for Amare? Would the Knicks even consider it?

Kind of sad that Deron is officially a worse contract than Amare, but it's the truth. Just hope the Knicks would consider it in order to sell Melo on staying.

[Bro Johnson]

People still talking about moving Deron for scraps instead of thinking about how to pair him with a player who can run the pick-and-roll... Unbelievable.

Deron's glass ankles are certainly a concern but this past year was the one that was a fluke not his previous 6+...

[jakebernat]

as a pistons fan, I can say with certainty that smennings have worn off their welcome with us as well. maybe a change of scenery is what both sides need...

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[Prokorov]

People still talking about moving Deron for scraps instead of thinking about how to pair him with a player who can run the pick-and-roll... Unbelievable.

Deron's glass ankles are certainly a concern but this past year was the one that was a fluke not his previous 6+...

he has stunk all 3 full seasons with the nets. and yes, i still want him off this team as soon as possible regardless of how little we get in return. it was great he played well tonite, but thats far from the norm with him.

and he has had tons of talented offensive players around him. he cant use that excuse.

[Paradise]

People still talking about moving Deron for scraps instead of thinking about how to pair him with a player who can run the pick-and-roll... Unbelievable.

Deron's glass ankles are certainly a concern but this past year was the one that was a fluke not his previous 6+...

He's gotten everything from elite shooters, scorers from JJ and Pierce, big men to pick-and -pop like KG or Lopez. He's got Plumlee for pick-and-roll play.

He has gotten everything. I know Nets fans desperately want to root for him like the Kidd era but we need to stop the excuses. He's simply not going to improve until he stops being a mental midget.

His ankles are bad but not the reason why he's a disappointment.

[therealbig3]

LOL..."Deron Williams for scraps"...Deron Williams IS scraps at this point. He doesn't play well, he's constantly injured, and he's on a toxic contract. In what world does he actually have high trade value?

[MrDollarBills]

Rockets lost the series, you think they bite on Deron for Lin/Asik?

I'd even take Beverely tbh.