The Official Lin Net Thread

[Manitoba]

2.) THE NETS MODERATORS WILL BE INSTITUTING A 1-STRIKE BAN POLICY

With the recommendation of other moderators along with experiencing you or ourselves in Lin's signing thread, we have decided to move ahead with this. The moment you derail a discussion or start an argument, you will be issued a ban.

If you're going to be so drastic, I hope you'll at least be consistent and fair.

[hood30]

NY Post article on Yormark's reaction to Nets signing JLin.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/jeremy-lins-arrival-has-nets-bigwigs-seeing-dollar-signs/

This article hints at part of the reason the Nets brought Lin on board....Not that there's anything bad about this since Lin is actually a good player but his financial appeals was probably 1 of the biggest factor that the Nets could not get from any players not name Durant.

The Nets are basically hoping for Lin to somewhat come close to what he did 4 years ago with the Knicks so the can generate excitement, buzz and huge financial profit.

It makes perfect sense to try to build this team around Lin, for just 1 year and see if he can bring Linsanity back..In Lin's previous stop, there's always been problems like ball-dominant PG like Harden, Kobe and even the Hornets's Kemba Walker...

So Brooklyn is betting that with no alpha-dog dominant-guard playing alongside Lin that could push him off the ball, Lin could come close to replicating his Linsanity year.

Doing it in New York would be much bigger than Lin bringing back Linsanity anywhere else...Although Madison Square Guarden was somewhat a big factor in the buzz that was generated at that time..Many Knicks fan were dying for this day...I'm not sure there's a lot of Nets fan in NYC....Also, Nets was a NJ team that moved to NYC not too long ago, so it does not yet have a special place in the heart of the City....

[Manitoba]

Still waiting for news on the introductory press conference!

They're probably arranging a suitably large venue.

I agree with whoever said that too much media attention may not be best for Lin himself, but his global fame is what it is. There'll be huge interest, even without the full, delighted involvement of the Nets' marketing department.

[kent335]

lol calm down dude

dude just what the hell happened to jeremy lamb???? he was benched at the end.... Like his game..

haha good one. Anyways I would say it happened a couple of times on the Hornets board where people came either as posters pretending to be Lin fans or actual Lin fans from other forums (never confirmed) who had the sole purpose of getting suspended from the realgm board. It was weird. Like straight out asking for suspensions. We wondered if it was a badge of honor on certain fringe sites to get a suspension from a team fan site or just a troll trying to make Lin fans look bad. I figure the latter.

Once I learned not to paint Lin fans with a broad brush last year things became a lot less annoying for me. Engage with the posters who want to have quality discussion and try not to take the others too seriously and blowups will be few and far between. Of course there will be issues. When we lost in Game 6 to the Heat **** absolutely hit the fan between the long time posters and a some of the Lin fans. Even some of the reasonable Lin fans got mad during that debacle which I understand in hindsight. That would be my advice to long-time Nets fans. I think you will really appreciate Lin as a player and a member of your team. He's a really great guy to have.

To the Lin fans, I would say just try to understand where longtime Nets fans are coming from. They don't care about how many minutes he gets, and when you lose a big game it gets very annoying when 75% of the posts are about how Lin didn't get enough minutes, denigrating your coach/front office, and taking unnecessary pot shots at other Nets players. Nets fans are just mad they lost the game. Remember that Lin is not an idiot, he chose to be in Brooklyn. Don't get personally offended at Lin criticism.

I'm going to avoid posting and reading over here. I'm just getting triggered reading some of this stuff so I had to reply. I'm going to try not to make the Nets mods job harder when i'm a regular hornets fan who has no real reason to be posting on this forum.

+1 to Flip Murray. Well Said.

[Manitoba]

and yes....we are depressed fanbase. Well I'll only speak for myself but yes, I'm a depressed Nets fan. I actually found the optimism from some of the Lin fans to be a bit funny. Like you have no idea what kind of horror awaits you all. Nothing good ever happens for the Nets. Even when something appears like its going good, the other shoe will drop soon after and we're right back in the dirt.

There may be something to cheer about. The Nets have now filled their PG and center positions. Isn't the common wisdom that the 1 and the 5 are the hardest positions to fill? Well, the Nets have done it. So probably 70% of the battle is already won. That should be something to be optimistic about.

[lleepar]

NY Post article on Yormark's reaction to Nets signing JLin.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/jeremy-lins-arrival-has-nets-bigwigs-seeing-dollar-signs/

Welp ... it's not that Jeremy and his fans didn't know all this in the first place. But it's an interesting read. Thanks for posting it.

Fortunately, its not Jeremy's first New York rodeo. In 2012, he was thrown onto the back of a bucking bronco soon after being called up from the D-League because the Knicks were running out of PGs. So he knows there might be an extra personal price for getting the coach and the starting position he wanted. I think he's much better prepared to handle all that off-the-court stuff now.

But even if Yormark meant it, some of his choice of words made me blink twice.
"To the extent I can take advantage of him, I will. …"
(I'm not sure he meant it that way ... or maybe he did.)
.

[lleepar]

Still waiting for news on the introductory press conference!

They're probably arranging a suitably large venue.

I agree with whoever said that too much media attention may not be best for Lin himself, but his global fame is what it is. There'll be huge interest, even without the full, delighted involvement of the Nets' marketing department.

I was looking forward to the press conference, myself. But after reading the Yormark piece in the post, I'm kind of apprehensive about what to expect now. Circus elephants? Marching bands? Confetti?

[hood30]

saying lin is better then harden isnt an opinion... its a delusion.

you can say that the earth is flat or that the sun doesnt rise in the east. that doesnt make those opinions, it makes you blind to reality.

anyhow this is what i was referring to.... "bashing lin" only consists of pointing our that elite top 10 players are better then him

HERE WE GO! Its delusional in your opinion. They think the same way, saying harden is better than lin isn't an opinion, its a delusion.
ANY YOU SHOULD NOT USE HARDEN CURRENT STATS TO COMPARE, TRY COMPARING THEM WHEN THEY WERE COMING OFF BENCH. WHO IS DELUSIONAL NOW?

Here is the deal. 100% of nba coaches, analysts, GMs and players (including Lin) will tell you that Harden is the better player. All your argument is doing is distracting people from any real basketball discussions and giving Lin fans a bad rep.

Your recent join date and what you are writing makes you seem like a hater posing as a fan. But, if you are a real Lin fan, you need to tone it down. But, if you are a hater posing as a fan, then **** off.

That's my conclusion about this poster as well and his recent join-date...The recent joint-date in itself is probably not what really does it, but all his obscene comments and boastfulness about Lin and wanting to compare Lin to the very top NBA players...

When you put the 2 together, it makes him sound fishy..Like a Lin-hater masking himself as a Lin fan and making boastful claim about Lin as a player just to annoy as many Nets fan as possible.

This guy is probably a Rocket fan who hated Lin because of his fan..A lot of Rockets forum fan simply hate Lin's guts.I find that amazing simply because Lin has been the most productive guard to ever played alongside Harden..They still can't find a guard to score as many points as Lin.

[Travers]

and yes....we are depressed fanbase. Well I'll only speak for myself but yes, I'm a depressed Nets fan. I actually found the optimism from some of the Lin fans to be a bit funny. Like you have no idea what kind of horror awaits you all. Nothing good ever happens for the Nets. Even when something appears like its going good, the other shoe will drop soon after and we're right back in the dirt.

There may be something to cheer about. The Nets have now filled their PG and center positions. Isn't the common wisdom that the 1 and the 5 are the hardest positions to fill? Well, the Nets have done it. So probably 70% of the battle is already won. That should be something to be optimistic about.

Even the craziest fan would never believe Leicester city would have won the Premier League title last year. But turnout Leicester City won it with good margin. Talent is important, but teamwork, chemistry and coaching also count.

Nets maybe looks worse on the talent side, but I believe most players in NBA can play or they won't be in the league. Some guys look like scrubs only because they are lacking chance, in the wrong system or even poorly coached, Lin, Whiteside, TJ are some of the examples. That said, Net's talent side can be better than what we think it is.

Guys might not know that Lin's Knicks without Carmelo was the best defensive team in the league. And only Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert are the proven talents among the group. Others are like Novak, Landry Fields, Bill Walker, Jare Jeffery, and Tony Douglas like players. Yet, these group of players played the best basketball, and was the best defensive team in that stretch.

I am not saying the team is going to win many games in the coming year, but there's chance the team being competitive when everyone is buying in and playing right basketball.

[JoseRizal]

As a longtime Nets fan, I never really had any fixation on Lin. I found him "overrated" at times, maybe this is because Linsanity started with the Knicks playing us and against that dog called Deron. I'm a Filipino, so that makes me Asian. But in spite of this, I didn't jump the bandwagon.

However, ever since he joined the team, I started watching clips of his past games from New York to Houston to LA up to Charlotte. It was a way for me to understand him as a player.

Then one evening, I watched his documentary in Youtube "Linsanity" and began to understand why he was able to capture the hearts of many. He's humble, down-to-earth, intelligent and a genuine underdog. It makes it hard for people to dislike him.

In assessing his game, I can say that he's a gifted PnR PG, great first step, drives very well to the basket and hustles a lot on D. To cap it off, he has a big heart. However, he needs to improve on his jumper, 3's and being too turn-over prone. Since Deron started being lazy, I think he's the best starting PG on this team.

I'm not really expecting him to turn this team around, but as others said he brings excitement to the team, he has a big fan base that will be rooting for us and his popularity would at least put as back on the map.

I've gained greater appreciation to Lin not only as a player, but as a person.

[ChokeFasncists]

Also, i just don't really understand, if y'all are Nets fan here, why some of y'all talked crap about the guy?..

huh? who talked crap about Lin? i'm pretty sure any Net fan wants Lin to play great.

Well, there is basically one guy who is coming along very very slowly but I think (hope) surely.

This guy is probably a Rocket fan who hated Lin because of his fan..A lot of Rockets forum fan simply hate Lin's guts.

Na, that's not it. They hated Lin cuz there was this war of Yao fans vs Yao haters. It was just rekindled when Lin was signed. (And don't forget about the location)

Here you have a few longtime Nets fans who did not want Lin and will combat the lin fanatics.

Again, there aren't a few now, just one basically, maybe another that comments once in a while. But it might give you the illusion cuz that one is disproportionately active.

I think all Nets fans are embracing him.

this is a realistic community board...

I hear ya. But there is a lone exception.

[MrDollarBills]

this is silly, with all due respect, Lin's fan are just like any other sport fans, They have a specially player that they like, majority of them like him not because he is asian american, but because he was the underdog, someone that being look down upon because of his race. The main thing is the kid is a really good basketball player. And i don't think there is anything wrong in defending him in a forum when haters made bogus and unfair statement about him.
Also, i just don't really understand, if y'all are Nets fan here, why some of y'all talked crap about the guy?..

huh? who talked crap about Lin? i'm pretty sure any Net fan wants Lin to play great.

I can only speak for myself but believe me, having his face plastered all over Brooklyn is the last thing that I want. The last thing he needs is to be exploited as a marketing tool in a year when he's going to need all his focus to prove he is a good PG and lead this team. I read that article about the Nets' marketing head's glee at getting Lin, and my heart sank. That's not why he came here.

I'd be much happier if they kept the focus on Atkinson/Marks. Their vision for the team. And the story of this young, rebuilding team trying to come together led by one of the League's best player development coaches . That to me is the real story

Edit: I meant to respond to another post - and the frustration is directed at marketing person not the post-er

Well, they have to market the players. If you're a fan of his, you may also realize that the marketing will attract a lot of sponsorship deals for Jeremy which will mean he will gain financially as well. I mean there was someone who complained about Lin getting less than other guys in free agency...here's where that will offset especially if he can help the Nets to be a watchable, fun team.

I for one just want to win games and see some exciting competition. But there's nothing wrong with noting that he stands to gain considerably from becoming a popular figure in New York sports again

If you follow football at all, players from the NY Giants make good money from sponsorships in this area. I can't see why if things turn around for the better and the Nets start gaining attention the same can't happen for Lin.

[MrDollarBills]

NY Post article on Yormark's reaction to Nets signing JLin.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/jeremy-lins-arrival-has-nets-bigwigs-seeing-dollar-signs/

Welp ... it's not that Jeremy and his fans didn't know all this in the first place. But it's an interesting read. Thanks for posting it.

Fortunately, its not Jeremy's first New York rodeo. In 2012, he was thrown onto the back of a bucking bronco soon after being called up from the D-League because the Knicks were running out of PGs. So he knows there might be an extra personal price for getting the coach and the starting position he wanted. I think he's much better prepared to handle all that off-the-court stuff now.

But even if Yormark meant it, some of his choice of words made me blink twice.
"To the extent I can take advantage of him, I will. …"
(I'm not sure he meant it that way ... or maybe he did.)
.

I'm pretty sure he meant it that way.

Either way, if things work out well Lin stands to gain a lot. He just has to max out his opportunity on the court....which I think he will based on what I've seen.

[Net Sentence]

Still waiting for news on the introductory press conference!

They're probably arranging a suitably large venue.

I agree with whoever said that too much media attention may not be best for Lin himself, but his global fame is what it is. There'll be huge interest, even without the full, delighted involvement of the Nets' marketing department.

You are still learning what the Nets do. The Nets just opened their new training facility in the Chinatown section of Brooklyn. The Nets/Yormark would never pass up a chance to market the Nets new toy(Lin) in the Nets new facility.

[Prokorov]

if thats the case, then what is wrong with Lins fan saying Lin is a better playmaker than harden ??? They can think whatever they want to think, You think harden is better, they think lin is better. But then LIns fan is being called trolls,etc..... Maybe is the other way around. harden's fan is a Troll? The nonsense is WHY THE LIN'S FAN HAVE TO DEFEND HIM IN A FREAKING NETS BOARD?????

saying lin is better then harden isnt an opinion... its a delusion.

you can say that the earth is flat or that the sun doesnt rise in the east. that doesnt make those opinions, it makes you blind to reality.

anyhow

.

this is what i was referring to.... "bashing lin" only consists of pointing our that elite top 10 players are better then him

HERE WE GO! Its delusional in your opinion. They think the same way, saying harden is better than lin isn't an opinion, its a delusion.
ANY YOU SHOULD NOT USE HARDEN CURRENT STATS TO COMPARE, TRY COMPARING THEM WHEN THEY WERE COMING OFF BENCH. WHO IS DELUSIONAL NOW?

Harden being better then Lin is a statistical fact, not a delusion.

The fact that Lin comes off the bench and harden doesnt is moree evidence as to harden being better... that shouldnt be thrown out so we can compare lin to what Hardend id as a 2nd or 3rd year guy on the thunder,... and even then, hardens numbers destroy Lins.

Harden was ABSURD his last year with OKC coming off the bench. he had one the best seasons a player has had off the bench in the modern era:

19/4/4
66.0 TS% (no, thats not a typo)
22 PER
1.25 Points per possession (again, not a typo)
39% from three
+7.82 ORPM (not a typo)
9.3 WS
19.3 assist percentage

Lin last year off the bench:

12/3/3
53.4 TS%
13.8 PER
1.02 points per possesions
33.6% from three
- 0.65 (negative)
3.5 WS
18.6 assist percentage

So please stop with this utter and complete nonsense. Lin isnt in the same statosphere as james harden. And even in this crazy world were we have to go back 4 years to when harden came off the bench and use those numbers, he still destroys lin by insane margins.

if you want to be taken seriously you need to be objective and accept the facts. its fine to be pro lin, or even be a lin homer... but there is a difference between that and saying he is a better playmaker then an MVP candidate

[Prokorov]

huh? who talked crap about Lin? i'm pretty sure any Net fan wants Lin to play great.

I can only speak for myself but believe me, having his face plastered all over Brooklyn is the last thing that I want. The last thing he needs is to be exploited as a marketing tool in a year when he's going to need all his focus to prove he is a good PG and lead this team. I read that article about the Nets' marketing head's glee at getting Lin, and my heart sank. That's not why he came here.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY HATERS TRY TO PUT LIN DOWN. IF BROOKLYN WANTED TO USE HIM AS A MARKETING TOOL, WHY NOW ? WHY NOT BEFORE. IT IS SICKENING HOW FAR PEOPLE GO TO MARGINALIZE THIS KID. FIRST IS HE CANT SHOOT, HIS LEFT HAND, HIS DEFENSE. NOW A MARKETING TOOL.... BRAVO.....

why are you using all caps?

Anyhow. why is Lin being used as a marketing tool a bad thing? thats a great thing... especially for a team struggle to bring in fans since moving to Brooklyn. It doesnt effect what Lin does on the court, and they didnt bring him in just for marketing.

[Prokorov]

and yes....we are depressed fanbase. Well I'll only speak for myself but yes, I'm a depressed Nets fan. I actually found the optimism from some of the Lin fans to be a bit funny. Like you have no idea what kind of horror awaits you all. Nothing good ever happens for the Nets. Even when something appears like its going good, the other shoe will drop soon after and we're right back in the dirt.

There may be something to cheer about. The Nets have now filled their PG and center positions. Isn't the common wisdom that the 1 and the 5 are the hardest positions to fill? Well, the Nets have done it. So probably 70% of the battle is already won. That should be something to be optimistic about.

I guess from an outsiders perspective this seems logical... the problem is brook has been here 8 seasons, and we know the ceiling with him. When he had dwill(the all-star 20/10 version) and Joe early on, we got to 49 wins. once dwill declined to being an average player we topped out at 38 wins. Lopez is a really good player. borderline all-star. but he only gets you so far. we need alot more talent around him to win. Lopez is better off as your 3rd best player or "2B" option if you plan to be a good solid playoff team. or you need an all-star stud PG, like what dwill was the second half of 2013.

the other issue is Lopez and Lin are both 28. at the end of their contract they will both be 31. i can see us not extending either and going with youth as we will have our picks back by then. so who knows if this is a long term option or a 3 year hold over.

Either way, Lin/Brook is a nice 1-5 combo... if you have talent 2 through 4. we have bench players 2 through 4. and no shooting.

but most of all, the nets lack 2 way players:

bogs doesnt defend
RHJ has no offense
booker has no offense
lopez himself is a mediocure defender who cant switch on to smalls and struggles with stamina
Kilpatrick doesnt defend

basically, Lin and CMC are our only 2 way players, and neither is great on either end. this killed us last year as itleaves you with a weak link(s) no matter if you are on offense or defense

[Prokorov]

and yes....we are depressed fanbase. Well I'll only speak for myself but yes, I'm a depressed Nets fan. I actually found the optimism from some of the Lin fans to be a bit funny. Like you have no idea what kind of horror awaits you all. Nothing good ever happens for the Nets. Even when something appears like its going good, the other shoe will drop soon after and we're right back in the dirt.

There may be something to cheer about. The Nets have now filled their PG and center positions. Isn't the common wisdom that the 1 and the 5 are the hardest positions to fill? Well, the Nets have done it. So probably 70% of the battle is already won. That should be something to be optimistic about.

Even the craziest fan would never believe Leicester city would have won the Premier League title last year. But turnout Leicester City won it with good margin. Talent is important, but teamwork, chemistry and coaching also count.

Nets maybe looks worse on the talent side, but I believe most players in NBA can play or they won't be in the league. Some guys look like scrubs only because they are lacking chance, in the wrong system or even poorly coached, Lin, Whiteside, TJ are some of the examples. That said, Net's talent side can be better than what we think it is.

Guys might not know that Lin's Knicks without Carmelo was the best defensive team in the league. And only Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert are the proven talents among the group. Others are like Novak, Landry Fields, Bill Walker, Jare Jeffery, and Tony Douglas like players. Yet, these group of players played the best basketball, and was the best defensive team in that stretch.

I am not saying the team is going to win many games in the coming year, but there's chance the team being competitive when everyone is buying in and playing right basketball.

this isnt soccer, its basketball. and talent is the first, second, and third most important thing.

its not a coincidence that Lebron/curry made the last 2 finals. or that lebron has made it to 6 finals in a row. or that durant/westbrook were in the conference finals.

there is a reason we won 21 games last year and it wasnt chemistry. it was lack of talent.

[Roy Tarpley]

No one is saying that the Nets will win the NBA championship. Some of us are saying that the Nets could win 30.

[Prokorov]

No one is saying that the Nets will win the NBA championship. Some of us are saying that the Nets could win 30.

I think those are longshot odds. although realistically within the realm of possibility.

Its not just the lack of talent. there is a ton of turnover at every level: GM/Scouts/Training staff/Coaches/Players/systems. lots of moving parts usually make for slow starts.

then you factor in we have alot of guys with injury histories and issues. including lopez earlier in the offseason reporting he is recovering planar fascitus. LeVert has foot issues well documented. mccullough has some injury issues. grevis is coming off season ending surgery.