Joe tsai takes time to adress kyries “views” but not the team needs

[3pt_chucker]

I'm tired of Kyrie. Whether you think the post is bad or not it's another non-basketball distraction. Every season he finds a way to put himself and the team in headlines. I can't take another 3+ years of this.

[HardenGoat]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

[wco81]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

This podcast has a good takedown of Kyrie.

https://slate.com/podcasts/hang-up-and-listen/2022/10/kyrie-irving-and-anti-semitism-deion-sanders-and-jackson-state-and-the-nwsl-title-game-on-hang-up-and-listen

First of all the antisemitic points in the boot KI touted aren't even original. They've been spouted by anti semites for a very long time.

It's as if KI discovered anti-semitism. Kanye at least admits he never reads, but Kyrie wants people to believe he did his own research, just like with the vaccine, by citing a book and movie as if it's the final word on anti semitism.

Second, Kyrie is basically a contrarian. Contrarians think their stance makes them smarter or stand out, just being contrarian, not their particular arguments. Hence the whole the earth is flat is itself suppose to be some proof of his independent thinking and intelligence.


Too bad, he seems to have decided to read some kooky books instead of going back to finish his Duke degree.

[KL78192020]

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

[Revived]

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Antisemitism isn’t illegal. It’s just something only b**** take part in.

[Gooner]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

[MrDollarBills]

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf on their platform. People need to stop using Amazon as deflection from Kyrie's behavior. He did it and was defiant about it. He owns it, and hasn't done anything to make me not think that he's an antisemite.

[gigantes]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

Yeah, that's giving him waaaay too much credit IMO.

This guy is hardly Noam Chomsky, here. Better to say "Kyrie has values and ideas that don't mesh well with basic facts & reality."

Better to say that when he steps in front of a mic, the best he can do is to utter word salad in defense of his POV before angrily insisting on closing the matter.

[Gooner]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

Yeah, that's giving him waaaay too much credit IMO.

This guy is hardly Noam Chomsky, here. Better to say "Kyrie has values and ideas that don't mesh well with basic facts & reality."

Better to say that when he steps in front of a mic, the best he can do is to utter word salad in defense of his POV before angrily insisting on closing the matter.

I disagree with that. He refused to get vaccinated, and then team brought him back because they had too many (vaccinated) players infected with the virus and they needed his help. That proves that he was rigth about that situation, and he is right on many other things too, like talking about secret societies etc.

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf on their platform. People need to stop using Amazon as deflection from Kyrie's behavior. He did it and was defiant about it. He owns it, and hasn't done anything to make me not think that he's an antisemite.

In what way do you think he is an antisemite? Do you believe that he supports a genocide or any kind of opression of Jewish people?I would agree that him putting out that link was irresponsible, but better be careful when putting that label on someone. His mission is to encourage people to do more research into black history and not believe everything they were taught. He hasn't expressed any hate towards anyone else and he made it very clear that he respects all the cultures and traditions.

[Ecmic]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

[Gooner]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

[Ecmic]

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

Yeah, I agree those guys caused harm. But I’m not convinced in the concept of what I guess I’d call the “relativity of harm”. I think harm can be understood outside the environment of other unrelated harmful events.

[Gooner]

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

Yeah, I agree those guys caused harm. But I’m not convinced in the concept of what I guess I’d call the “relativity of harm”. I think harm can be understood outside the environment of other unrelated harmful events.

I've used the term "harm" relative to the term "mental illness" that someone used to decribe Kyrie. If you think Kyrie is mentally ill or crazy, then I don't think you've really seen crazy. I would agree that from a professional standpoint, Kyrie did a lot of harm to his image.

[gigantes]

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

Yeah, that's giving him waaaay too much credit IMO.

This guy is hardly Noam Chomsky, here. Better to say "Kyrie has values and ideas that don't mesh well with basic facts & reality."

Better to say that when he steps in front of a mic, the best he can do is to utter word salad in defense of his POV before angrily insisting on closing the matter.

I disagree with that. He refused to get vaccinated, and then team brought him back because they had too many (vaccinated) players infected with the virus and they needed his help. That proves that he was rigth about that situation, and he is right on many other things too, like talking about secret societies etc.

Of course he wasn't right about the vaccines, or that it wasn't a critical situation deserving a mandate. Indeed, he was wrong every step of the way, from his irresponsible disregard for taking proper precautions during the pandemic, to sitting out, to the nonsensical things he said opposed to basic facts & reality.

You can also thank his and other unvaxxed peoples' idiocy for CV19 hanging on a lot longer than it needed to, millions of people needlessly losing their lives, and even more millions' health-situations permanently worsened.

As one of the latter, I can very sincerely say "**** you, Kyrie" and mean it. And that's basic facts & reality, not some secret society mumbo-jumbo.

[Gooner]

Yeah, that's giving him waaaay too much credit IMO.

This guy is hardly Noam Chomsky, here. Better to say "Kyrie has values and ideas that don't mesh well with basic facts & reality."

Better to say that when he steps in front of a mic, the best he can do is to utter word salad in defense of his POV before angrily insisting on closing the matter.

I disagree with that. He refused to get vaccinated, and then team brought him back because they had too many (vaccinated) players infected with the virus and they needed his help. That proves that he was rigth about that situation, and he is right on many other things too, like talking about secret societies etc.

Of course he wasn't right about the vaccines, or that it wasn't a critical situation deserving a mandate. Indeed, he was wrong every step of the way, from his irresponsible disregard for taking proper precautions during the pandemic, to sitting out, to the nonsensical things he said opposed to basic facts & reality.

You can also thank his and other unvaxxed peoples' idiocy for CV19 hanging on a lot longer than it needed to, millions of people needlessly losing their lives, and even more millions' health-situations permanently worsened.

As one of the latter, I can very sincerely say "**** you, Kyrie" and mean it. And that's basic facts & reality, not some secret society mumbo-jumbo.

Facts and reality are very clear. Kyrie came back because vaccinated players were infected and they needed his help. That's what happened. You are entitled to your opinions about vaccine, but Kyrie was proven right.

[MrDollarBills]

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

Yeah, that's giving him waaaay too much credit IMO.

This guy is hardly Noam Chomsky, here. Better to say "Kyrie has values and ideas that don't mesh well with basic facts & reality."

Better to say that when he steps in front of a mic, the best he can do is to utter word salad in defense of his POV before angrily insisting on closing the matter.

I disagree with that. He refused to get vaccinated, and then team brought him back because they had too many (vaccinated) players infected with the virus and they needed his help. That proves that he was rigth about that situation, and he is right on many other things too, like talking about secret societies etc.

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf on their platform. People need to stop using Amazon as deflection from Kyrie's behavior. He did it and was defiant about it. He owns it, and hasn't done anything to make me not think that he's an antisemite.

In what way do you think he is an antisemite? Do you believe that he supports a genocide or any kind of opression of Jewish people?I would agree that him putting out that link was irresponsible, but better be careful when putting that label on someone. His mission is to encourage people to do more research into black history and not believe everything they were taught. He hasn't expressed any hate towards anyone else and he made it very clear that he respects all the cultures and traditions.

A video that claims Adolf Hitler admired Black people when in reality he was having Afro Germans brutally sterilized and gassed is not Black history. Kyrie is full of sh*t.

He watched that video, shared it, and didn't even denounce the content when pressed on it. He's an antisemite.

If he respected all cultures, he would not have shared that video which is full of ideology from a known antisemitic hate group.

[sikma42]

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf on their platform. People need to stop using Amazon as deflection from Kyrie's behavior. He did it and was defiant about it. He owns it, and hasn't done anything to make me not think that he's an antisemite.

One has historical significance. The other is a documentary that is being labeled antisemetic. It’s not the same and this argument is silly. If it’s truly antisemtic and holds no value then it’s shouldn’t be on the platform.


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[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie stans have turned the Nets fanbase into something absolutely disgusting. Kyrie could take a sh*t in their living rooms and these fanboys would cheer him on. They act like he's a demagogue that can do no wrong even when it is clear he has crossed a serious red line this time.

I was a fan since 1991. Never in my life could i imagined that this once proud and devoted fanbase would devolve into this. It's a disgrace. You go on twitter and its nothing but vitriol and "free speech advocates" behaving like animals. Jewish fans being cursed at and mocked for being upset. Gross.

F*ck Kyrie, and f*ck Joe Tsai. They've destroyed what little Nets fans have had to feel good about.

[MrDollarBills]

Shouldn't there also be a protest against Amazon and others for selling this book? I'm a bit confused on that, its openly promoted and sold on Amazon with 5 star reviews.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf on their platform. People need to stop using Amazon as deflection from Kyrie's behavior. He did it and was defiant about it. He owns it, and hasn't done anything to make me not think that he's an antisemite.

One has historical significance. The other is a documentary that is being labeled antisemetic. It’s not the same and this argument is silly. If it’s truly antisemtic and holds no value then it’s shouldn’t be on the platform.


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I'm not defending Amazon for having it on there. I'm saying that the people who are trying to deflect the blame to Amazon for Kyrie's actions are a bunch of morons.

[vincecarter4pres]

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

I don’t mean to make this personal, but the undertones I get here are his views align somewhat with your views so you’re sympathetic and apologetic to him.

Just because a car thief isn’t a murderer, it doesn’t mean he/she isn’t a criminal.

Not all mentally ill individuals are raging psychopaths, and not all harm is at the level of life crippling affects.