Reported NJ/CHI Deal

[netsfanbq]

I'd do this deal in a heart-beat -- before Chicago changes their minds!

You still have Kidd Carter & RJ...

Your bench is Noc (can back up the 3 and 4) Thabo (BETTER player and prospect than Wright...can play 3 positions) AND we're getting back Krstic soon...

Yeah, we lose Marcus, and that's a blow...but don't overrate our own players. He'll be good...not the next JKidd.

We don't get a big...but we fix three of what I think our biggest problems are:

1. our D is terrible. One big man addition isn't going to change this (unless it was a KG-type). Noc isn't an all-league defender, but he's a major annoyance to those playing against him...and he has a nasty streak. Thabo is a good defender as well.

2. We get shooters...Thabo isn't lights out, but as good a Toine, and Noc is good from 3 and the line.

3. Athletes. Throw out a lineup of kidd, thabo, rj, williams and boone, and we finally have an athletic lineup kidd can run with.

SOOO...we improve our horrid D and hustle, improve our offense...AND here's the kicker...we still have the big 3. So we can STILL take offers for Carter or RJ to get a big -- and if we do move one of them, we're better equipped to handle the loss from the wings. DO IT NOW!!!!!

And who do we really lose??? Boki? Had one good year...no biggie...Wright? Thabo's better. Mags? We don't even play him!!! Marcus hurts, has potential, but also some red flags and hey, you can't expect to give up crap for good players.

DO IT NOW!!!! I'm stunned anyone doesn't want to do this! DO IT!!!!

[mack69]

I like the trade but i wish they can keep Wright.

[RJ 24]

I'd do this deal in a heart-beat -- before Chicago changes their minds!

You still have Kidd Carter & RJ...

Your bench is Noc (can back up the 3 and 4) Thabo (BETTER player and prospect than Wright...can play 3 positions) AND we're getting back Krstic soon...

Yeah, we lose Marcus, and that's a blow...but don't overrate our own players. He'll be good...not the next JKidd.

We don't get a big...but we fix three of what I think our biggest problems are:

1. our D is terrible. One big man addition isn't going to change this (unless it was a KG-type). Noc isn't an all-league defender, but he's a major annoyance to those playing against him...and he has a nasty streak. Thabo is a good defender as well.

2. We get shooters...Thabo isn't lights out, but as good a Toine, and Noc is good from 3 and the line.

3. Athletes. Throw out a lineup of kidd, thabo, rj, williams and boone, and we finally have an athletic lineup kidd can run with.

SOOO...we improve our horrid D and hustle, improve our offense...AND here's the kicker...we still have the big 3. So we can STILL take offers for Carter or RJ to get a big -- and if we do move one of them, we're better equipped to handle the loss from the wings. DO IT NOW!!!!!

And who do we really lose??? Boki? Had one good year...no biggie...Wright? Thabo's better. Mags? We don't even play him!!! Marcus hurts, has potential, but also some red flags and hey, you can't expect to give up crap for good players.

DO IT NOW!!!! I'm stunned anyone doesn't want to do this! DO IT!!!!

that is all 100% true. Like he said, if we do make that VC or RJ trade, then Noc can step right into the starting lineup. it would be better than Wright or Boki stepping into it.

[ecuhus1981]

Good luck to you all if you think Nocioni is a good defensive player.

+1

The Bulls are trying to sell Nocioni's antics as defensive intensity. And I am scared as heck that our FO is actually buying this spiel!

Andres gets torched on a regular basis. If we're not going to trade for a big, we at least need to trade for a top-tier defender. Andres and his LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG contract are neither. Thabo is a versatile defender, but not worth this package.

Like many have said, without Marcus, it's conceivable, although I'm still not enthused about tying up salary while moving all of our filler trade pieces for a minor tweak. But with Willliams in the deal, it's a decisive no.

[jzmagik]

Noc is far from a defensive specialist like some have said here. Bringing in defensive specialists will not improve our defense!!!! It starts with the rest of our personnel, our coaches, and our players. One player will not make us a better defensive team for gods sake. What we need is a coach that actually cares about defense.

[ecuhus1981]

Also, Andres Nocioni has an expensive contract, that increases through 2012. People are all assuming that this deal opens the floodgates to dozens of teams willing to trade their elite PF for RJ. It's simply not the case. We may have to give up more than we want (like Krstic+Sean) to get that sort of trade completed.

And if we don't trade RJ (or VC, if we think that we can convert Richard into a SG), we're stuck with two SFs on massive contracts. We're basically inheriting the exact problem Chicago is trying to avoid, with Luol's large extension looming. Add that to the fact that we're going to re-sign Nenad and hopefully reinforce our roster with more some depth in the off-season, and this is exactly the move we don't want to make.

I don't like this trade for many reasons. The bottom line is, this is not a set-up trade for a larger maneuver later. I hate to say it, but this is a classic Kiki move; one that serves little purpose on the court, but has major financial repercussions.

[AGGiE]

Nice D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6SMZnbwhuk

[bigballa3jj]

Nice D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6SMZnbwhuk

sigh.....he needs to do more of that

[Flite]

We get 2 potential shooters, but a defensive minded player in Nocioni.

Thabo = Non existant jumpshot, great defender

Andres = Chucker, absolutely no defence

[jcrack32]

Comparing player for player, we would come out on top if we do this trade. Clearly, Nocioni is better than Boki and Thabo better than Wright. This would definitely strengthen our bench (even with the losses of M. Williams and Mags). But what it also does is that it puts a lot of pressure on this team as it is currently fit (plus the addition of a healthy Kristic, Nocioni and Thabo) to be good enough to contend. Making this trade takes away a lot of our flexibility in my opinion. We lose our expiring contracts that could potentially help us. Why make a trade if we're essentially gonna be left in the same position after the trade?

Our biggest problem has been our defense. Its always been this way. We're used to winning a lot of close games because our defense keeps us close and we make smart plays at the end. This year, our defense has been atrocious. This trade does little to help us there.
I don't think this trade makes our team that much more of a contender. Its more of a lateral move than a vertical move.

[Kosta]

Got my mind working the trade checker for another move, if this one were to happen.

NJ Trades:
RJ/Allen/Boone/Armstrong

TOR Trades: Bosh/Graham/Garbajosa

TOR saves $20M roughly doing this deal. They get insurance with Armstrong to backup Calderon. Colangelo is actively searching for PG help. Allen and Armstrong are both expiring deals. They get a young big in Boone who would shine in their system, in my opinion. We rid ourselves of RJ but RJ provides something TOR needs. They lose their franchise in Bosh -- but is he really worth the extra $20M? At first glance, probably...but who knows. Saving that money they could attract a top-tier FA or have flexibility to make draft day moves.

Our new team:

Starters: Kidd/VC/Nocioni/Bosh/Krstic

Bench: Duhon/Sefolosha/Graham/J. Smith/Sean Williams


I can dream can't I?

[bigballa3jj]

lol toronto isn't trading bosh

[Kosta]

lol toronto isn't trading bosh

My favorite part of the trade was the insurance we get in Darrel Armstrong.

G-Money needs to realize that when it comes to franchise all-star players money ain't a damn thing. I mean, who else are you going to get as good as Bosh in free agency? Um, nobody.

Set your standards, lower, much lower. I'm thinking like maybe J.O, but you'll have to add in much more than just R.J and Gasol is probably way out of your league for R.J and pieces. At least Vince would have to be part of the deal.

First you propose for West, no chance you get him. Now Bosh, which is all that much more ridiculous. At least make proposals that wouldn't get rejected on your PS2 system, man.

But hey, everyone can dream...

[Tommy Udo 6]

Also, Andres Nocioni has an expensive contract, that increases through 2012. People are all assuming that this deal opens the floodgates to dozens of teams willing to trade their elite PF for RJ. It's simply not the case. We may have to give up more than we want (like Krstic+Sean) to get that sort of trade completed..

Why are you writing this statement??

It is totally false.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... /bulls.jsp

Nocioni's salary goes DOWN every year.

He is on a reverse contract: like wallace, Hinrich & Joe Smith.

(When asked about the proposed trade, Paxson just said "no comment". Deng's injury makes it less likely now that the deal will happen.)

[G_MoNeY]

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My favorite part of the trade was the insurance we get in Darrel Armstrong.

G-Money needs to realize that when it comes to franchise all-star players money ain't a damn thing. I mean, who else are you going to get as good as Bosh in free agency? Um, nobody.

Set your standards, lower, much lower. I'm thinking like maybe J.O, but you'll have to add in much more than just R.J and Gasol is probably way out of your league for R.J and pieces. At least Vince would have to be part of the deal.

First you propose for West, no chance you get him. Now Bosh, which is all that much more ridiculous. At least make proposals that wouldn't get rejected on your PS2 system, man.

But hey, everyone can dream...

guys...it was a joke! LOL

As far as looking for players who would get us over the top...Both of them are. David West, in my opinion, isn't as "untouchable" as many might think. Bosh is in that category, but is the type of player we need. That was my point. About your Darrell Armstrong comment, Toronto IS looking for help at PG and DA is playing well when given minutes, regardless of his age. He could be a cheap fix until Ford comes back and is better than Martin. Overall on the trade I was joking.....didn't think I'd have to spell that out for you guys.

And move up in the world, they have PS3s now

[G_MoNeY]

After reading some comments by Bulls fans and looking at Nocioni's contract, I think I'm hesitant on this. What about re-evaluating a trade with something like this...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

[Pugsley_2491]

After reading some comments by Bulls fans and looking at Nocioni's contract, I think I'm hesitant on this. What about re-evaluating a trade with something like this...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

doesn't make much sense for us

[Kosta]

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guys...it was a joke! LOL

As far as looking for players who would get us over the top...Both of them are. David West, in my opinion, isn't as "untouchable" as many might think. Bosh is in that category, but is the type of player we need. That was my point. About your Darrell Armstrong comment, Toronto IS looking for help at PG and DA is playing well when given minutes, regardless of his age. He could be a cheap fix until Ford comes back and is better than Martin. Overall on the trade I was joking.....didn't think I'd have to spell that out for you guys.

And move up in the world, they have PS3s now

The Hornets are 29-12 in the West right now, are they really interested in trading their second best player? Not only that, but their 27 year old PF who is signed to a great contract long term? Unless they got knocked over with a completely insane offer for him, he's going nowhere. Obviously R.J for West would be a huge step back for them.

As for Darrell Armstrong?

O.k, it's not that funny, but it was how you brought it up in a trade for Bosh, acquiring Armstrong as "insurance" in a trade where we're giving up our franchise player is just silly.

And honestly Armstrong is not a better option than Dixon.

[NetsForce]

Armstrong is not a better option than Dixon. He's a significantly better option than Dixon.

- Hi Kosta, haven't seen you around these parts in a while.

[Kosta]

Armstrong is not a better option than Dixon. He's a significantly better option than Dixon.

- Hi Kosta, haven't seen you around these parts in a while.

He's averaging a whopping 2.1 points, 1.4 assists and 35% from the field in 11.2 minutes per game. He's out of date bro. At least Dixon can shoot the 3. It's beyond me how you think he's a significant upgrade over Dixon.

Yeah, so will you change your name to the 14ersForce after G.S pounds the Nets by 20 plus tonight?

And I have to say this, looking over Magloire's stats, what happened to him? That's just brutal.