Jason Kidd: Quit Blaming Me

Crizlassic · Post #41 » by **Crizlassic** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:36 pm

What Kidd's saying is true. Kidd should have gotten an MVP one of those years we went to the finals. If he were on the Knicks he might have gotten it simply because no matter how bad the Knicks are they are still a marque franchise.

MrDollarBills · Post #42 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:40 pm

Then he needs to blame the sports writers who robbed him for two years in a row. He should have won over Duncan that year, hands down.

Post #43 » by **Rich Rane** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:47 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Then he needs to blame the sports writers who robbed him for two years in a row. He should have won over Duncan that year, hands down.

He just beat the Knicks. He talked about their team and what it would've been like playing with all the attention. And he doesn't even say "I". He says "we". No need to attack him on this article.

MrDollarBills · Post #44 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:52 pm

Rich, i already said that he wasn't dissing Jersey. I agree 100% that the article title is misleading.

Post #45 » by **Rich Rane** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Rich, i already said that he wasn't dissing Jersey. I agree 100% that the article title is misleading.

I still don't see the need for this though:

But for a guy who faked a migraine after his request for an -extension- was denied and had -resigned here- by CHOICE after the Spurs offered him the same amount of cash, he sure seems like he has a lot of regrets about playing here after the fact. I salute the Nets fans who love this man more than he gave a damn about them, but he can go to hell.

MrDollarBills · Post #46 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:12 pm

Just my opinion.

Supersonicas · Post #47 » by **Supersonicas** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:14 pm

"We were on the wrong side of the Hudson," Kidd said.

"We were on the right side. If we were on the left side, I think things would have been funer. There would've been a lot more attention".

Why did he use the word's right and left with this comment? He must of been facing south towards Dallas too much while he was still in Jersey to be saying that. East, West Kidd! I thought he was smart?

Then again this came from the NY Post so its probably bulls*it anyway.

SpeedyG · Post #48 » by **SpeedyG** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:15 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:After reading the article it didn't seem like he was really dissing Jersey, i agree, the Nets should have had more media exposure but we don't even have our own freakin News channels here, i know more about NY News than i do about NJ news!!!! But for a guy who faked a migraine after his request for an -extension- was denied and had -resigned here- by CHOICE after the Spurs offered him the same amount of cash, he sure seems like he has a lot of regrets about playing here after the fact. I salute the Nets fans who love this man more than he gave a damn about them, but he can go to hell.

Better to fake a migraine than accuse someone of faking one and condemn him for something he has ABSOLUTELY no proof of, hmm?

MrDollarBills · Post #49 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:34 pm

I suppose so, if you're one that thinks its cool to act like an unprofessional when being paid millions of dollars to do so just because said person is the savior of this franchise. No offense man, but i'm sorry to see you taking a widespread opinion of Kidd's off court antics so personally, but i'm not the only one who believes that he pulled that stunt, especially after he got denied an extension.

Da big3 · Post #50 » by **Da big3** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:After reading the article it didn't seem like he was really dissing Jersey, i agree, the Nets should have had more media exposure but we don't even have our own freakin News channels here, i know more about NY News than i do about NJ news!!!! But for a guy who faked a migraine after his request for an -extension- was denied and had -resigned here- by CHOICE after the Spurs offered him the same amount of cash, he sure seems like he has a lot of regrets about playing here after the fact. I salute the Nets fans who love this man more than he gave a damn about them, but he can go to hell.

news channel, eh we barely have a radio brodcast, one night its on 660, another on 1130, another on 1190.......

Post #51 » by **Rich Rane** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:42 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I suppose so, if you're one that thinks its cool to act like an unprofessional when being paid millions of dollars to do so just because said person is the savior of this franchise. No offense man, but i'm sorry to see you taking a widespread opinion of Kidd's off court antics so personally, but i'm not the only one who believes that he pulled that stunt, especially after he got denied an extension.

Kidd's off court antics:
Groping: No proof other than the woman's accusation
Faking a migraine: No proof other than what the media believes. Have you tried working with one?
Divorce: Yeah. Not the reason why the team has sucked.
Asking for a trade: It happens. With the moves Thorn wasn't making, other stars would've asked for a trade long ago. This is the NBA. Get used to it because it's been happening and will continue to happen.

Great reasons to not like a person. Although, it would be much better if there was actual proof. I mean...without any proof I could just say you groped a man and faked a migraine so you wouldn't have to show up for work or school. Don't you think it would be a little weird for me and others not to like you because of that?

Da big3 · Post #52 » by **Da big3** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:51 am

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yea that makes a lot of sense

Post #53 » by **jerseyjac** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:33 pm

SpeedyG wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Better to fake a migraine than accuse someone of faking one and condemn him for something he has ABSOLUTELY no proof of, hmm?

Rich Rane wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kidd's off court antics:
Groping: No proof other than the woman's accusation
Faking a migraine: No proof other than what the media believes. Have you tried working with one?
Divorce: Yeah. Not the reason why the team has sucked.
Asking for a trade: It happens. With the moves Thorn wasn't making, other stars would've asked for a trade long ago. This is the NBA. Get used to it because it's been happening and will continue to happen.

Great reasons to not like a person. Although, it would be much better if there was actual proof. I mean...without any proof I could just say you groped a man and faked a migraine so you wouldn't have to show up for work or school. Don't you think it would be a little weird for me and others not to like you because of that?

good stuff...

EFF · Post #54 » by **EFF** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:33 pm

no it would not be weird for you to not like me because I grope men. And people fake stuff all the time to get off work. Difference is they dont have a statewide audience counting on them. And it's not because of the audience that they have a job at all.

its not just one or two instances. Kidd has a long history of being accused of questionable character.

I'm not a Kidd hater...just talking.

Post #55 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:32 am

EFF wrote:no it would not be weird for you to not like me because I grope men. And people fake stuff all the time to get off work. Difference is they dont have a statewide audience counting on them. And it's not because of the audience that they have a job at all.

its not just one or two instances. Kidd has a long history of being accused of questionable character.

I'm not a Kidd hater...just talking.

I said that I don't have any proof whatsoever. Makes a difference, doesn't it? Isn't it the same thing that's going on with people who bash Kidd?

What are we looking for in watching professional sports? It's not the end of the world if we weren't able to watch the Nets (As much as a bunch of us believe it does). An escape? Plenty of other things you could do than watch basketball (Of course since it's around, why not?). A dream of becoming a star? Start working on it then. And in the end, it is a job. If you're not liking where you work, you migt as well ask for a transfer or suggest what makes the organization better. And I'll tell you this from personal experiences, it feels like **** when you're not heard.

How much did it cost Nets finance? Not much considering it was an away game. Hell, I think it would be more important if I missed a day at work than if Kidd did. I have a team of interns that I'm supposed to guide throughout their internship. If I'm out, they don't know what the hell they're doing without me and make mistakes. They make mistakes, the company looks bad and I look like ****. They won't find a job after internship with us or anywhere else. And if they can't find a job, how the hell are they supposed to support themselves or their families? And when my interns suck, I'll be at the mercy of several old **** looking for one mistake to fire me.

And can you tell me Kidd's long list of questionable character that has affected his team? Are you talking about the doemstic abuse? Kidd did the required amount of anger management and then some, giving up on alcohol in the process (Both Kidd and Joumana were quoted on that). The divorce? Once again, not the reason why we've sucked.

And this...

its not just one or two instances. Kidd has a long history of being accused of questionable character.

Wow...just black and white, huh? Hell, why don't you just take shots at the rest of the team? Marcus Williams and the laptop situation. Sean Williams and marijuana. I'd go enetric on this, but I'm just going to smile at this one.

EFF · Post #56 » by **EFF** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:08 pm

sometimes the accusation itself is proof enough when forming personal opinions. This is not a jury trial.

And I don't get where you're going with the basketball being an escape part. If you're arguing when i was talking about the audience, i was just saying that he should respect the fact that he has a job because people watch this game. It's a little different because you don't have your job because there are interns. But now i dont even realy remember what we're arguing about.

I think your original comment was on whether it was justified for people to dislike Kidd for everything that's gone on with him since he came into the league. Not on whether those things were detrimental to the team or organization, or me.

Personally i agree with you. I'm not mad at him for asking for a transfer, having an alleged migraine. And divorces happen, and happen ugly even for good people. But throw in the accusations of domestic abuse, the groping, the self-entitlement, and people can think of him however they want. I can't say "NO...that's not allowed." Nobody's obligated to like the guy as a person or a player. You can say there's no proof of groping but there's no proof that he didn't either. He can protest his not getting an extension too, but people can take issue with that also

There's enough there that it's justifiable for someone to take offense to some of his actions. Even d'alessandro of the ledger had a whole rant on Kidd worse than anything anyone's ever said on this board. and he never bashes our players or coach. It's reasonable is all im saying.

So smile all you want. and good luck trying to conform everyone's opinion to your's.

MrDollarBills · Post #57 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:51 pm

EFF wrote:So smile all you want. and good luck trying to conform everyone's opinion to your's.

+1. Well put. We are all Nets fans here and i don't think we should squabble over someone that is now long gone, but i do think that everyone is allowed to have their own opinion about Jason Kidd's departure...there isn't some rule where we all have to worship this man or act oblivious to his behavior because there is no "proof", as if this is a trial by jury.

jcrack32 · Post #58 » by **jcrack32** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:40 pm

Seems like whenever fans get emotionally attached to a player, things are gonna get ugly when that bond gets broken (usually by trade). This is first and foremost a business and players will treat it as such while its hard for fans to see it in that perspective.

I know its difficult but we should remain classy as fans. We've had enough experiences with fans who continue to hold gripes against players that have been traded from their teams. I don't think there is a single person here who will defend Kidd's off court issues but remember when he was taking us to the finals, those issues were mute. So why all of a sudden do we need to hash that up now that he has left? As for his on court issues, I don't believe he quit on this team. I think Dacher brought up an excellent point....losing makes everyone look bad. I think the effort has always been there but his impact on the game hasn't been the same.

Lets move on from this. We've got a team that if nothing else is fun to root for.

Post #59 » by **jerseyjac** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:13 pm

jcrack32 wrote:Seems like whenever fans get emotionally attached to a player, things are gonna get ugly when that bond gets broken (usually by trade). This is first and foremost a business and players will treat it as such while its hard for fans to see it in that perspective.

I know its difficult but we should remain classy as fans. We've had enough experiences with fans who continue to hold gripes against players that have been traded from their teams. I don't think there is a single person here who will defend Kidd's off court issues but remember when he was taking us to the finals, those issues were mute. So why all of a sudden do we need to hash that up now that he has left? As for his on court issues, I don't believe he quit on this team. I think Dacher brought up an excellent point....losing makes everyone look bad. I think the effort has always been there but his impact on the game hasn't been the same.

Lets move on from this. We've got a team that if nothing else is fun to root for.

definitely...

we have a team you can root for and believe they have a shot vs. most NBA teams given they're playing at the top of their game...at the very least we got younger and added some depth...you can at least see our direction and remain confident as a fan that our front office will continue to make the right decisions, regardless of player's demands and the NBA market's trade value...

SpeedyG · Post #60 » by **SpeedyG** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:25 pm

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51488/20080318/wolves_owner_kg_tanked_it/

So much for KG and Minny's "perfect" breakup.