A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

[jbeachboy]

how much is max for derozan? i think we are one of the teams that would be in running willing to throw big money at him. barnes is riskier cause he hasnt proven it yet and is with steph and klay, although i like his potential.

[Prokorov]

I honestly just dont see what people see in clarkson...

is it the horribly inefficient scoring? (14 points in 32 minutes on 52 TS%/14.5 PER)

is it the mediocure range shooting? (33% from three, 40% from 16+ feet)

is it the bad defense? (-2.14 defensive RAPM, 1.13 PPP allowed)

is the complete lack of contributiong outside of scoring (4 rebounds, 2.5 assists)

a 23 year old who was picked in the second round and done nothing for 2 years on horrible teams isnt the guy i see turning around the nets.

[Prokorov]

how much is max for derozan? i think we are one of the teams that would be in running willing to throw big money at him. barnes is riskier cause he hasnt proven it yet and is with steph and klay, although i like his potential.

he would be a veteran with 7-9 years experience, putting him in the middle tier, which would be about 25.3 million with 17.5% raises.

[jbeachboy]

how much is max for derozan? i think we are one of the teams that would be in running willing to throw big money at him. barnes is riskier cause he hasnt proven it yet and is with steph and klay, although i like his potential.

he would be a veteran with 7-9 years experience, putting him in the middle tier, which would be about 25.3 million with 17.5% raises.

we have no choice but to overpay since we have no first round picks.

[Prokorov]

how much is max for derozan? i think we are one of the teams that would be in running willing to throw big money at him. barnes is riskier cause he hasnt proven it yet and is with steph and klay, although i like his potential.

he would be a veteran with 7-9 years experience, putting him in the middle tier, which would be about 25.3 million with 17.5% raises.

we have no choice but to overpay since we have no first round picks.

im not against maxing derozan i was just awnsering the question on what his max would cost

[jbeachboy]

he would be a veteran with 7-9 years experience, putting him in the middle tier, which would be about 25.3 million with 17.5% raises.

we have no choice but to overpay since we have no first round picks.

im not against maxing derozan i was just awnsering the question on what his max would cost

who do you prefer nets go after in free agency as far as preferences?

[Prokorov]

we have no choice but to overpay since we have no first round picks.

im not against maxing derozan i was just awnsering the question on what his max would cost

who do you prefer nets go after in free agency as far as preferences?

in order....

Durant
horford
conley
Rondo
Dwight
Batum
Derozan
Whiteside
Fournier
Beal

i 1000000% dont want barnes. I 100000000000000000000000000000000% dont want clarkson. i think those moves are disaster moves. those moves tie up our money but IMO dont gaurentee we get to the playoffs or become a .500 team. I just dont buy at all that clarkson is the difference between the crap we see now and a playoff team. same with barnes. better? sure maybe, but minimal. and we will just be missing the playoffs while not owning our picks and not having cap space. to me, this is the worst possible scenario.

if i strike out on that entire list above i try either trading my cap space for similar talent who is already overpaid or just sign a bunch of guys to huge 1 year deals and look to either trade them at the deadline as expirings or let them expire and take another crack at it in the 17 offseason

[jbeachboy]

forget durant, horford, and conley, i dont see them going anywhere, i think batum will stay as well. im nervous spending big on barnes but i think we should take a look , i like his offensive potential and he is decent defensively. i would be willing to spend big on barnes if we lose out on derozan, fournier or beal.

[jbeachboy]

nets need to get a wing player as priority over any other position.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah we need perimeter talent badly.

[jbeachboy]

conley is not worth a big contract, 15 pts and 5 assists? nets need a sg and sf.

[shakendfries]

#firekingandramuzov reason no 21: Remember when the Nets were banned from national televised NBA games?

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[Prokorov]

conley is not worth a big contract, 15 pts and 5 assists? nets need a sg and sf.

conley isnt worth a big contract, but jordan "14 points and 2 assists on terrible efficieny" is worth big money?

the nets 100000000000000000000000000000% need a point gaurd. we have 0 at that position.

the nets everything. we need high end talent. position shouldnt matter, get the highest end talent we can get and go from there.

conley is a legit 2 way player. if he is willing, we need to go after him

[SF_Warriors]

As painful as this season has been, this was always viewed a throw away year. People getting upset about the losses is understandable but most of these guys arent going to be here next season. Eras in the NBA last 3-5 years because of guaranteed contracts. This is the last year of the DWill/Joe Era of Nets basketball. We have had some success during that time despite this season being a wash. We had a legit shot at the finals during this period and that was with Lopez getting hurt.

King hit the ejection button early last season and started breaking up the old core. Part of the rebuilding process is to blow it up and we had to do things like stretch DWill to do so. I dont see it on here, but a lot of Net fans on the internet are lamenting about cutting DWill because he got off to a good start in Dallas. How soon everyone forgets that we have seen this from him before. He was player of the month in the Eastern Conference just last year in November. Cutting DWill was an essential move for next year in order to maximize roster flexibility. We now have the ability to receive players in sign and trades which is especially important this off-season since most of the top free agents are restricted.

There are 3 ways to rebuild in the NBA: Drafting, Trading or Free Agency. When we made the decision to rebuild last time we committed 2 Eras (6-10 years) to rebuilding through free agency instead of the draft. Even if DWill worked out, we would have still had to decide on if we should have resigned a 32 year old PG going into next season. My point is that we are exactly where we are suppose to be going into next season. The only exception to that is that DWill didnt opt out so we have to carry some of his salary forward. Johnson 's contract is coming off the books, Lopez is still a building block, we have enough cap space to make significant moves in free agency.

One of the things you have to credit Prokorov/King/Razmanov for is they went for it. We should have had the 2nd best player in the NBA, Dwight Howard, a couple of years ago. The Boston trade was a bold move that prioritized winning it all. Our owner didnt let money get in the way of trying to win it all and I respect that. No one can forecast injuries and the last 5 years were ruined by Lopez's foot and DWill's ankle/wrist.

King has made a number of good moves that many of you refuse to give him credit for. King resurected the careers of Gerald Green, Andre Blatche, Alan Anderson and Shawn Livingston. As disappointing as Bogs has been this year, he still grossly outperformed what you expect to get from the 31st pick in a draft. Plumlee was picked 22nd and carried the Nets as a rookie when Lopez was lost for the season. He also retained enough value to get RHJ. RHJ looks like the best Nets draft pick value since we got Lopez. King got Marcus Thornton in a deadline deal. Thornton's 17pt game 7 vs Toronto won us a playoff series. Thad Young has looked like one of the top PF's in the NBA this season and King got him for KG. Shane Larkin looks like a good backup PG this year despite burning out in Dallas and NY. Who knows how good McCullough is or Valuet.

King has done a great job of getting us back on schedule for this off season's free agency after the moves we made to get a championship. Dont believe the media's spin that the Nets have no chance for the future. Draft picks are extremely overrated in the NBA. The most important thing in the NBA is not having dead money, long term contracts. That light at the end of the tunnel is called July. All it takes to switch the Nets fortunes is one big free agent signing or a mega trade. The important thing is that we are in position for the first time since 2012 to do so.

So you think that knowingly giving up multiple unprotected picks during the years (or in your words, "throwaway year") where the team may be rebuilding, and for two guys who were 36 & 37 respectively, is a good idea? I mean, at least put a top 10 protection on there or something...

This was termed a throwaway year after the trade was made. Cant doing anything about that. And yes, at the time it was a good thing. The team we put together that year was stacked. DWill was coming off a really strong 2nd half to '12-13. His post all star numbers in '12-13 were

37.7 min
22.9 Pts/g (48.1% FG / 42% 3pt)
8 Ast/g

Those were every bit top 10-12 player in the NBA type numbers still. His numbers in the playoffs were just as strong vs the Bulls and he had his signature play as a Net in that series.

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Lopez was coming off a strong season also and should have been a strong #2 option.

Johnson was still an all star level player and was suppose to be the 3rd best player.

Bringing in Pierce and KG to compliment that core made a lot of sense. It made so much sense that just about every national media organization was talking about how strong the Nets look. They even were crying collusion when we signed Kirilenko who had just played one of his best seasons the year before in Minnesota.

That team was the best Nets team assembled, better then the Kidd era Nets in fact. We had Shawn Livingston who I think Warriors fans would appreciate. Mason Plumlee was one of the top rookies in the NBA that year. Alan Anderson was very good off the bench. We lost Lopez for the year to a foot injury and AK to his chronic back issues and still had one of the best records in the NBA once we gelled.

We should have been good for years with DWill so those draft pick shouldnt have meant much. Even after DWill fell apart, Boston couldnt use them to move up. As this year progresses, more and more teams will be looking to tank once they fall out of contention. The Nets have the 3rd worst record now but I expect the Nets to fall somewhere between 6-10 when it all shakes out.

if you think thad young is a top PF in the nba, you do not know how to assess talent. He is an undersized tweener putting up good stats on a horrible team.

The stats say what he is, you are entitled to your opinion but the numbers speak for themselves. We arent losing because of Thad, we are losing because we are the worst 3pt shooting team in the NBA and our prized rookie got hurt. Our starting five with RHJ was one of the highest rated 5 man units when he got hurt.

And I'm sorry, but draft picks, especially lottery ones, are amongst the most valuable assets in the nba.
How do you think that the nets can make a "mega trade" with their best asset being a maxed out brook lopez and a bunch of underwhelming wing guys?? Blake griffin and Klay thompson are gonna be available for a markel brown/bogs package and filler??

And what good FA wants to come into this mess of a situation? If overpaying Demar Derozan is the best solution, then well, I see many dark years ahead..


The main issue with having no picks is, no one wants to sign unless you overpay, which will lead to dead money.
The team cant tank and pick up cheap, young talent because it will go to the celtics.
So basically, the new GM's selling point to FAs is that they get to play with brook lopez and thad young..

Flexibility is the most valuable asset in the NBA. Having a ton of cap space can be used to sign free agents, which is the plan A. You can also use it to regain draft picks from a team like the Wolves who will likely still be a lotto team for a couple of years and have a dead money contract in Pekovic.

I dont believe in tanking as a strategy and we see way more teams like the Sixers and Blazer flounder for decades hoping to hit the lottery jackpot then we do teams like the Thunder who got 3 franchise level players. You dont need the 1st pick to get a franchise player as seen by guys like Paul George (10th pick), Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) and Jimmy Butler (30th pick).

At the end of the day, no one knows where players will sign. Raise your hand if you thought Greg Monroe was going to sign with the Bucks over the Knicks. You can come here and passively aggressively TROLL our thread but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt mean a damn thing to me.

There were also folks that thought the price was too steep for a one year, MAYBE two year window for a championship with that group.
I'll have to admit, the Lopez injury really derailed things. The nets were looking like championship contenders, but most people knew the window was very narrow and had no margin for error.

I am not against making trades like those, but my point is that King consistently overpays on his contracts and trades, and he does this often. That is why I am boggled that you defend his actions as if those were the best alternatives he could have made.

DWill and Gwall - King made trades for guys who were free agents to be...He had to have known that the pick he traded for wallace was going to be a lotto pick. No extension worked out at the time of the trade.
Dwill I had no problem with the trade, but he did it WITHOUT securing a contract extension. DWill could have walked away, signed with Dallas and it would have gone down as one of the biggest blunders of all time...He then goes on and overpays both guys.

Johnson - JJ was regarded as having one of the worse, if not the worst contracts in the league at the time. Yet, King decided to give up picks for the worst contract in the NBA.

PP and KG - He simply payed too much to get both. Year two with those guys would have meant that PP and KG were 37 and 38, respectively. Easy to say, but in hindsight, that trade really crippled the franchise whether you are going to admit it or not. It may not be as flashy, but maybe he could have taken a different route to secure role players that complimented the "big three" at the time.
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The team's only method of rebuilding or retooling, whether the KG and PP trade worked or not, is through free agency.
Everyone knew this, but didnt see a problem with it.
I do not see too many players wanting to come aboard unless its an overpay. Best case scenario, I can see them trying to get conley and derozan, and start RHJ at SF with thad and lopez up front. That team I think can be competitive and hold their own against most teams.

Elite guys liek Durant will get paid anywhere they go. Most likely if they do relocate they would choose a situation with promising young talent and great management, things BKN at this moment lack. And I don't care you probably won't believe me, but I felt that Monroe was a great fit in milwaukee and new orleans.
Lastly, Thad has been having a great season, kudos to him. However, he is not going to put up 17 & 9 on a team contending for a top seed in the playoffs, which is why I am hesitant to call him one of the best PFs in the league.

[MrDollarBills]

So you think that knowingly giving up multiple unprotected picks during the years (or in your words, "throwaway year") where the team may be rebuilding, and for two guys who were 36 & 37 respectively, is a good idea? I mean, at least put a top 10 protection on there or something...

This was termed a throwaway year after the trade was made. Cant doing anything about that. And yes, at the time it was a good thing. The team we put together that year was stacked. DWill was coming off a really strong 2nd half to '12-13. His post all star numbers in '12-13 were

37.7 min
22.9 Pts/g (48.1% FG / 42% 3pt)
8 Ast/g

Those were every bit top 10-12 player in the NBA type numbers still. His numbers in the playoffs were just as strong vs the Bulls and he had his signature play as a Net in that series.

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Lopez was coming off a strong season also and should have been a strong #2 option.

Johnson was still an all star level player and was suppose to be the 3rd best player.

Bringing in Pierce and KG to compliment that core made a lot of sense. It made so much sense that just about every national media organization was talking about how strong the Nets look. They even were crying collusion when we signed Kirilenko who had just played one of his best seasons the year before in Minnesota.

That team was the best Nets team assembled, better then the Kidd era Nets in fact. We had Shawn Livingston who I think Warriors fans would appreciate. Mason Plumlee was one of the top rookies in the NBA that year. Alan Anderson was very good off the bench. We lost Lopez for the year to a foot injury and AK to his chronic back issues and still had one of the best records in the NBA once we gelled.

We should have been good for years with DWill so those draft pick shouldnt have meant much. Even after DWill fell apart, Boston couldnt use them to move up. As this year progresses, more and more teams will be looking to tank once they fall out of contention. The Nets have the 3rd worst record now but I expect the Nets to fall somewhere between 6-10 when it all shakes out.

if you think thad young is a top PF in the nba, you do not know how to assess talent. He is an undersized tweener putting up good stats on a horrible team.

The stats say what he is, you are entitled to your opinion but the numbers speak for themselves. We arent losing because of Thad, we are losing because we are the worst 3pt shooting team in the NBA and our prized rookie got hurt. Our starting five with RHJ was one of the highest rated 5 man units when he got hurt.

And I'm sorry, but draft picks, especially lottery ones, are amongst the most valuable assets in the nba.
How do you think that the nets can make a "mega trade" with their best asset being a maxed out brook lopez and a bunch of underwhelming wing guys?? Blake griffin and Klay thompson are gonna be available for a markel brown/bogs package and filler??

And what good FA wants to come into this mess of a situation? If overpaying Demar Derozan is the best solution, then well, I see many dark years ahead..


The main issue with having no picks is, no one wants to sign unless you overpay, which will lead to dead money.
The team cant tank and pick up cheap, young talent because it will go to the celtics.
So basically, the new GM's selling point to FAs is that they get to play with brook lopez and thad young..

Flexibility is the most valuable asset in the NBA. Having a ton of cap space can be used to sign free agents, which is the plan A. You can also use it to regain draft picks from a team like the Wolves who will likely still be a lotto team for a couple of years and have a dead money contract in Pekovic.

I dont believe in tanking as a strategy and we see way more teams like the Sixers and Blazer flounder for decades hoping to hit the lottery jackpot then we do teams like the Thunder who got 3 franchise level players. You dont need the 1st pick to get a franchise player as seen by guys like Paul George (10th pick), Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) and Jimmy Butler (30th pick).

At the end of the day, no one knows where players will sign. Raise your hand if you thought Greg Monroe was going to sign with the Bucks over the Knicks. You can come here and passively aggressively TROLL our thread but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt mean a damn thing to me.

There were also folks that thought the price was too steep for a one year, MAYBE two year window for a championship with that group.
I'll have to admit, the Lopez injury really derailed things. The nets were looking like championship contenders, but most people knew the window was very narrow and had no margin for error.

I am not against making trades like those, but my point is that King consistently overpays on his contracts and trades, and he does this often. That is why I am boggled that you defend his actions as if those were the best alternatives he could have made.

DWill and Gwall - King made trades for guys who were free agents to be...He had to have known that the pick he traded for wallace was going to be a lotto pick. No extension worked out at the time of the trade.
Dwill I had no problem with the trade, but he did it WITHOUT securing a contract extension. DWill could have walked away, signed with Dallas and it would have gone down as one of the biggest blunders of all time...He then goes on and overpays both guys.

Johnson - JJ was regarded as having one of the worse, if not the worst contracts in the league at the time. Yet, King decided to give up picks for the worst contract in the NBA.

PP and KG - He simply payed too much to get both. Year two with those guys would have meant that PP and KG were 37 and 38, respectively. Easy to say, but in hindsight, that trade really crippled the franchise whether you are going to admit it or not. It may not be as flashy, but maybe he could have taken a different route to secure role players that complimented the "big three" at the time.
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The team's only method of rebuilding or retooling, whether the KG and PP trade worked or not, is through free agency.
Everyone knew this, but didnt see a problem with it.
I do not see too many players wanting to come aboard unless its an overpay. Best case scenario, I can see them trying to get conley and derozan, and start RHJ at SF with thad and lopez up front. That team I think can be competitive and hold their own against most teams.

Elite guys liek Durant will get paid anywhere they go. Most likely if they do relocate they would choose a situation with promising young talent and great management, things BKN at this moment lack. And I don't care you probably won't believe me, but I felt that Monroe was a great fit in milwaukee and new orleans.
Lastly, Thad has been having a great season, kudos to him. However, he is not going to put up 17 & 9 on a team contending for a top seed in the playoffs, which is why I am hesitant to call him one of the best PFs in the league.

Young's production has nothing to do with how bad the team is....everything else you've said is correct, but you need to actually watch Young play before trying to chalk that up to "big stats on a bad team". He has zero plays run for him. He gets all of his points in motion and bang bang plays, and he's been cleaning the glass at a solid rate. He's one of the few players I've seen who signs a deal and actually elevates his play to another level to justify being paid the amount he's being paid.

[SF_Warriors]

Young's production has nothing to do with how bad the team is....everything else you've said is correct, but you need to actually watch Young play before trying to chalk that up to "big stats on a bad team". He has zero plays run for him. He gets all of his points in motion and bang bang plays, and he's been cleaning the glass at a solid rate. He's one of the few players I've seen who signs a deal and actually elevates his play to another level to justify being paid the amount he's being paid.

Don't get me wrong. Thad is a solid player. But replace Draymond, Aldridge, Bosh, AD, etc. with him and those teams get considerably worse...I am commenting on the statement comparing thad to the best PFs in the nba, not his merits as a starting NBA player.

That said, I see plenty of teams who would love to have thad starting for them, namely Minny, Orlando, Sac, possibly toronto, houston, Indy.

And I hope I am not misunderstood as trolling. I have a lot of love for the nets franchise, and I enjoy discussing other teams with their fans because usually they teach me things I didnt know or show me things from a different perspective.

[Net Sentence]

There were also folks that thought the price was too steep for a one year, MAYBE two year window for a championship with that group.

I'll have to admit, the Lopez injury really derailed things. The nets were looking like championship contenders, but most people knew the window was very narrow and had no margin for error.

Considering the Nets have never won an NBA championship I think it was well worth it. King was following directives from the Russians to win now PERIOD. He followed his marching orders and then Lopez's foot ended our championship aspirations.

I am not against making trades like those, but my point is that King consistently overpays on his contracts and trades, and he does this often. That is why I am boggled that you defend his actions as if those were the best alternatives he could have made.

DWill and Gwall - King made trades for guys who were free agents to be...He had to have known that the pick he traded for wallace was going to be a lotto pick.
Dwill I had no problem with the trade, but he did it WITHOUT securing a contract extension. DWill could have walked away, signed with Dallas and it would have gone down as one of the biggest blunders of all time...He then goes on and overpays both guys.

Johnson - JJ was regarded as having one of the worse, if not the worst contracts in the league at the time. Yet, King decided to give up picks for the worst contract in the NBA.

PP and KG - He simply payed too much to get both. Year two with those guys would have meant that PP and KG were 37 and 38, respectively. Easy to say, but in hindsight, that trade really crippled the franchise whether you are going to admit it or not. It may not be as flashy, but maybe he could have taken a different route to secure role players that complimented the "big three" at the time.

Price wasnt an issue for the Nets. Very few GMs have ever been given the freedom to spend like King did. Johnson contract was irrelevant with the budget King was working with. Lets not act like Johnson wasnt still one of the best SGs in the NBA at the time of the trade. He just wasnt worth what he was getting paid.

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The team's only method of rebuilding or retooling, whether the KG and PP trade worked or not, is through free agency.
Everyone knew this, but didnt see a problem with it.
I do not see too many players wanting to come aboard unless its an overpay. Best case scenario, I can see them trying to get conley and derozan, and start RHJ at SF with thad and lopez up front. That team I think can be competitive and hold their own against most teams.

Elite guys liek Durant will get paid anywhere they go. Most likely if they do relocate they would choose a situation with promising young talent and great management, things BKN at this moment lack. And I don't care you probably won't believe me, but I felt that Monroe was a great fit in milwaukee and new orleans.

And this is just your opinion. Based on Kings record, he has gotten a number of players to sign discount deals and found incredible values in FA.

- Mirza was suppose to get the full MLE but King got him to agree to the mini MLE
- AK opted out of a 10 mil salary to sign for the minimum.
- King signed Blatche, Alan Anderson, Shawn Livingston and Gerald Green to minimum contracts which they all vastly outproduced. By the end of the year we might have to add Willie Reed and Shane Larkin to that group.

The last time we had cap to spend (2012) we signed the top 2 free agents (DWill and Lopez) even if they were resigned. Neither was restricted so they could have went anywhere.

King has a good relationship with most agents and players. The way he handled both Mirza and DWill this off season speaks to this. Mirza was a restricted FA and wanted to leave. King could have played hard ball and try to haggle with the new team that he was going to sign with but he let Mirza go. DWill was under contract here but unhappy and wanted out. King agreed to buy him out in a timely fashion so he could explore free agency while teams still had $ to spend. That builds good will in free agency because it shows King respects the players. You think Sam Hinkie is winning fans over with the way he constantly screws the players?

I dont see why free agents wouldnt sign here. We arent in NJ anymore. If you consider Brooklyn a stand alone city, it's the 5th largest in the NBA behind only NY, LA, Chicago and Toronto. The organization in NJ was a mess. We played in one of the shttiest arenas in all of sports. We didnt have a practice facility worthy of a professional organization. That stuff matters in free agency. Players are familiar with Barclays now so they have a better idea of what it will be like if they come to Brooklyn.

Im more concerned with the quality of free agents. I think it's a lock that Durant is going to stay on a short term deal in OKC with a player option for next year. If he waits he gets 35% of the cap instead of 30% and the overall salary cap will be higher. After Durant, the rest of free agency doesnt really excite me. I would rather take a chance on Barnes or Beal because they are very young instead of getting someone like Horford or Conley. DeRozan is more of a compromise between youth and production.

Lastly, Thad has been having a great season, kudos to him. However, he is not going to put up 17 & 9 on a team contending for a top seed in the playoffs, which is why I am hesitant to call him one of the best PFs in the league.

I dont see why he wouldn't. Thad is getting his numbers without plays being called for him. He would likely have even better numbers on a playoff team when you consider that the Nets play a half court game and are middle of the pack in pace. One of Thad's biggest strengths is in the full court and he doesnt get to show that often with the slowpokes we have. Lopez is one of the slowest Centers in the NBA. Johnson is one of the slowest SFs in the NBA. Bogdanovic is one of the slowest SGs in the NBA. He is often the only guy running in the open court. Thad has 103 possessions in transition. Bogs is 2nd on the team with 67.

[NyCeEvO]

Yormark has jumped into the foray and has implicitly indicting Billy by talking about the players needing to play better. He knows the roster is garbage and King tried to pass off the idea that this team would have a shot at the playoffs before the season started.

Yormark has also been talking about how great Calipari is. There have been several rumors about Proky looking for new GMs/front office right now.

It seems all but confirmed that upper management and ownership are already done with King. We can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face but it's quite clear that if Billy was simply a marionette, he wouldn't be getting this sort of treatment publicly. The owner and the CEO are counting down the days in public.

King (and Hollins) seem to be walking the plank and everyone is waiting until the end of the season to push them overboard.

[MrDollarBills]

Young's production has nothing to do with how bad the team is....everything else you've said is correct, but you need to actually watch Young play before trying to chalk that up to "big stats on a bad team". He has zero plays run for him. He gets all of his points in motion and bang bang plays, and he's been cleaning the glass at a solid rate. He's one of the few players I've seen who signs a deal and actually elevates his play to another level to justify being paid the amount he's being paid.

Don't get me wrong. Thad is a solid player. But replace Draymond, Aldridge, Bosh, AD, etc. with him and those teams get considerably worse...I am commenting on the statement comparing thad to the best PFs in the nba, not his merits as a starting NBA player.

That said, I see plenty of teams who would love to have thad starting for them, namely Minny, Orlando, Sac, possibly toronto, houston, Indy.

And I hope I am not misunderstood as trolling. I have a lot of love for the nets franchise, and I enjoy discussing other teams with their fans because usually they teach me things I didnt know or show me things from a different perspective.

I'm not rating Thad over those guys but if you check the production and every metric, Thad is grading out this year as a top 10 PF. He'd have legit all star consideration if he wasn't playing with a garbage ass roster.

and no, you bring up excellent points otherwise so you're not trolling at all. I agree with everything you've said regarding our situation, this franchise is a complete mess and so sick of management.

It's not the players fault here. It's all management.

[MrDollarBills]

Yormark has jumped into the foray and has implicitly indicting Billy by talking about the players needing to play better. He knows the roster is garbage and King tried to pass off the idea that this team would have a shot at the playoffs before the season started.

Yormark has also been talking about how great Calipari is. There have been several rumors about Proky looking for new GMs/front office right now.

It seems all but confirmed that upper management and ownership are already done with King. We can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face but it's quite clear that if Billy was simply a marionette, he wouldn't be getting this sort of treatment publicly. The owner and the CEO are counting down the days in public.

King (and Hollins) seem to be walking the plank and everyone is waiting until the end of the season to push them overboard.

Oh yeah, the knives have come out finally. I knew this was coming once Windrem started alluding to the fact that Yormark's voice regarding basketball operations was starting to grow. Now that may not be a good thing if he starts meddling in on court personnel decisions but I know this guy realizes what this stale product is doing to the franchise's long term health and success. No one will want to play for this team unless the bull **** stops and we get competent people running the show. That **** about Prok wanting to bring in the guy who runs CSKA is not what I want to hear. If Yormark wants to give Calipari the keys let him, I trust Cal more than I do the Russians, who have proven to be basketball dumb