Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[vincecarter4pres]

Alrighty, this is the revised deal I posted on the T&T Board


Phoenix sends:
8th to 11th overall pick(their 2020 1st as long as they don't make a top 5 jump in the lottery)
Ricky Rubio

Phoenix receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Dzanan Musa
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick


Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Garrett Temple or Taurean Prince
Dzanan Musa
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Brooklyn 1st round pick(top 9 protected)
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

Brooklyn receives:
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio


Washington sends:
Bradley Beal

Washington receives:
Caris LeVert
Jarrett Allen
Garrett Temple or Taurean Prince
2020 Phoenix 1st round pick
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Brooklyn 1st round pick(top 9 protected)



Why?
First let me state, this trade likely isn't entertained from the Suns' perspective if they make a top 5 jump.

Phoenix brings in a younger, high scoring, more athletic but medium usage, great fit with Booker, adding to their young core. They also snag a likely solid 2nd round pick in 2021 and a freebie 2 year shot on the currently underwhelming, but potentially exciting Dzanan Musa.


Brooklyn lands their 3rd star and a sixth man who's a great fit next to Beal or Kyrie at the expense of all their young potential, trade assets and current role guys who would look much better and impactful in a full lineup.


Washington lands a pretty great rebuilding package, both value and tangible with a couple young up and comers, each with star potential, plus a top 11 lotto pick, an additional mid teens 1st round pick, a future 1st round pick and some salary relief and a 2nd round pick tossed in. Pick this package apart, but chances are any team who is legitimately interested in Beal is not going to be able to come up with something this strong, or even necessarily one young piece/pick better than the top 3 assets coming back to them in this.

[DarkXaero]

I don't see Phoenix giving up that pick for Dinwiddie, who is an expiring contract in that timeframe. Unless they're really high on Dinwiddie, and feel good about retaining him long-term.

[Trader_Joe]

IMO Nets won't sell Dinwiddie now as he lost good value being expiring. He's also good Kyrie insurance. LeVert showed he could play next to Din as well.

The cap is gonna shrink majorly and while I don't know how they handle it or the ramifications, but it will difficult to afford Harris and not pay a ton tax in a poor economy. One of the worst economies ever.

My guess, they move Prince and Musa and the pick for cap flexibility scenarios. Temple not picked up and hopefully signed for the vet min. Maybe Chandler too for the min. Waive Pinson and sign Chiozza. Sign Harris as cheaply as possible.

Irving l Dinwiddie l Chiozza
LeVert l Temple
Harris l TLC l Kurucs
Durant l Chandler
Jordan l Allen l Claxton

If KI and KD are healthy it's a top 4 team and only needs to worry about the Bucks in the East.

[Paradise]

I don't see Phoenix giving up that pick for Dinwiddie, who is an expiring contract in that timeframe. Unless they're really high on Dinwiddie, and feel good about retaining him long-term.

The pick is definitely not going to happen but the Suns were interested in acquiring Spencer for the last two seasons.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why should we give up all our depth for Beal?

I see absolutely no need. With Levert playing at this level, I see no need to make any major moves.

[Paradise]

So, this might be the last moment KD had an on court full contact workout before testing positive. He looks 100% unguardable.

KD plays King of the Court with Kevin Looney, Bobby Brown and Cuttino Mobley.

Watch on YouTube

[Papi_swav]

I'm more surprised with how good Kevin Looney looked on offense.

[Papi_swav]

The more i think about it, the more I think we won't make a big trade for that 3rd star. Who is that 3rd star that will actually fit? Is that 3rd star worth giving up our depth? Is Beal better than Din,Levert,Allen,Prince and FRPs all together? I don't think so. In my opinion, we don't need a 3rd star, we need some defenders. I rather go after a guy like Isaac or Covington than Beal.

[DarkXaero]

So, this might be the last moment KD had an on court full contact workout before testing positive. He looks 100% unguardable.

KD plays King of the Court with Kevin Looney, Bobby Brown and Cuttino Mobley.

Watch on YouTube

That's two years old footage.

[DarkXaero]

IMO Nets won't sell Dinwiddie now as he lost good value being expiring. He's also good Kyrie insurance. LeVert showed he could play next to Din as well.

The cap is gonna shrink majorly and while I don't know how they handle it or the ramifications, but it will difficult to afford Harris and not pay a ton tax in a poor economy. One of the worst economies ever.

My guess, they move Prince and Musa and the pick for cap flexibility scenarios. Temple not picked up and hopefully signed for the vet min. Maybe Chandler too for the min. Waive Pinson and sign Chiozza. Sign Harris as cheaply as possible.

Irving l Dinwiddie l Chiozza
LeVert l Temple
Harris l TLC l Kurucs
Durant l Chandler
Jordan l Allen l Claxton

If KI and KD are healthy it's a top 4 team and only needs to worry about the Bucks in the East.

I have no worries about losing Joe Harris, I'm certain we'll retain him. I agree that Chiozza needs to signed and he should replace Pinson's roster spot. Temple is not going to re-sign for vet min, if we don't pick up his team option, although that would be nice. I think Dinwiddie still has good value being an expiring, but I don't see a team giving up a good lotto pick + a productive PG for him.

[DarkXaero]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

[vincecarter4pres]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

I agree with Dark on LeVert and I love LeVert.

He's a ton more Derek Anderson then Brandon Roy Lite.

But I agree with you on Levine, he's the definition of fool's gold. Not that he's awful, at least on offense, but he's a guy you look at after this contract on an MLE type of deal, similar to JR Smith about 4 years ago.

[Papi_swav]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

IDK about Beal.. He's great but I don't know about the fit on defense. Offense I think it will definitely work because Beal and KD can shoot the lights out, but Kyrie also needs the ball and he's not really a past first point. On defense is the big question mark. None of these guys are good defensively. KD might be above average but we can't count on him too much returning from this injury. Only way it'll work defensively is if we have a Dwight Howard level defensive center backing them up, and we don't have that. I don't think Beal is alot better than a total package of Din/Lever/Allen and multiple 1sts, I rather keep our depth.

As for Lavine, yea Lavine is better than Levert but I'm not giving up a whole lot of value for him. If it's a swap of Levert for Lavine then sure but I'm not giving up a package of Levert/Allen etc for Lavine. And even then, we still kind of have the same problem we are in now so it's a bit redundant.

[Prokorov]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

I agree with Dark on LeVert and I love LeVert.

He's a ton more Derek Anderson then Brandon Roy Lite.

But I agree with you on Levine, he's the definition of fool's gold. Not that he's awful, at least on offense, but he's a guy you look at after this contract on an MLE type of deal, similar to JR Smith about 4 years ago.

i think you guys are sleeping on lavine. dude can score from anywhere, plays bigger than he is, is super unslefish, and while defensively he hasnt been great he has the tools to be a lockdown defender if you ask him to... and on a winning team you can ask him to.

there is literally nothing levert does better.

[Papi_swav]

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

I agree with Dark on LeVert and I love LeVert.

He's a ton more Derek Anderson then Brandon Roy Lite.

But I agree with you on Levine, he's the definition of fool's gold. Not that he's awful, at least on offense, but he's a guy you look at after this contract on an MLE type of deal, similar to JR Smith about 4 years ago.

i think you guys are sleeping on lavine. dude can score from anywhere, plays bigger than he is, is super unslefish, and while defensively he hasnt been great he has the tools to be a lockdown defender if you ask him to... and on a winning team you can ask him to.

there is literally nothing levert does better.

Just because he has the tools to be a lockdown defender doesn't mean he is or will be. Half the league has the tools to be lockdown defenders but majority of them are not. If it's a straight up swap of Levert for Lavine than cool, but you're willing to give up a package of Levert/Allen/1sts etc.. for Lavine ? I'm good I'll keep the depth. We already have enough scoring, we need defense.

[MrDollarBills]

LaVine is an excellent player, and would probably be a solid 3rd option on offense. I doubt Chicago trades him though.

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Retaining Joe is a priority, at least I would say, but the Nets' entire offensive philosophy will change when the new coach comes in so honestly I don't think Joe is coming back.

[DarkXaero]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

It has happened multiple times now. Levert starts to play well, gets hurt, comes back from injury, plays terrible, and needs 20 games or so to regain form. How do we know he's not going to continue to get injured throughout his career? It doesn't matter whether he's here or on some other team, I really do hope that he can stay relatively injury free going forward, but that hasn't been the case throughout his career (going back to college). Yes, the talent is there, and he hasn't played many games, but he's still turning 26, he's not at the age where he keeps getting the benefit of being young.

Lavine is actually younger than Levert, and has shown far more in the NBA than Levert has. Sure, Lavine is a horrible defender, but Levert isn't a good defensive player either (although capable of it). Lavine is similarly capable of developing into a good defensive player, with his size, and freakish athleticism. Difference is that Lavine is offensively already at a point which might be the ceiling for Levert, and a ceiling that Levert may never reach.

[DarkXaero]

Beal would make sense, if he actually showed willingness to move, rather than basically saying that having his own team is more valuable than playing on a stacked contender.

People easily falling for Levert's good play again is funny to see. This has happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. If Nets can sell high on Levert this offseason, they absolutely should.

I'm not sure about the "third star" thing being talked about, since Beal is the only star who is kinda available. I think someone like Lavine is worth keeping an eye on. He's actually younger than Levert, averages 25 a game on above average efficiency, and still has upside. He could be a (relatively) cheap third star option. Obviously he's not going to average 25 PPG here, but he can be a very good third option who averages 20 PPG on good efficiency, while giving us another strong 3pt shooter.

Falling for Leverts play?

Comon bro. Hes a young player who has struggled to stay healthy.

If Levert can stay healthy for the full season he would be the perfect 3rd guy to complement KD and Kyrie.

Lavine is not going to be worth the money and is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I would way rather have Levert.

And KD-Levert's close relationship matters.

The only thing I really want to add to this team is a better stretch 4. Prince is not the answer.

I agree with Dark on LeVert and I love LeVert.

He's a ton more Derek Anderson then Brandon Roy Lite.

But I agree with you on Levine, he's the definition of fool's gold. Not that he's awful, at least on offense, but he's a guy you look at after this contract on an MLE type of deal, similar to JR Smith about 4 years ago.

Appreciate the endorsement on Levert, but I think that's a terrible comparison with Lavine (JR Smith). They're really nothing alike, aside from being good athletes. JR Smith never had above average scoring efficiency, aside from very early in his career, and JR Smith never even came close to what Lavine is offensively, overall. Despite that, JR Smith still ended up being a valuable rotation player on a contender, late in his career.

I don't know why we're pretending that a recently turned 25 year old 6'6" athletic guard, who averages 25.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.5 SPG on ~57% TS%, is suddenly a MLE caliber journeyman. He's a high volume, above average 3pt shooter, who can play off ball. I'm well aware of what Lavine's shortcomings are, he's definitely a huge negative on defense, I'm not going to make any excuses there. But physically, he has all the tools to develop into a good defensive player, and perhaps with a lesser role, as a third option, that can happen. As a third option on the Nets, this is a guy who can average around 20 PPG on above average efficiency, which is more than what can be said of the other options on the Nets, after KD/Kyrie. I don't know why that's being dismissed as a "JR Smith" clone, who will be on the MLE for his next contract, when he's currently outperforming his contract...

[DarkXaero]

LaVine is an excellent player, and would probably be a solid 3rd option on offense. I doubt Chicago trades him though.

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Retaining Joe is a priority, at least I would say, but the Nets' entire offensive philosophy will change when the new coach comes in so honestly I don't think Joe is coming back.

I don't see why Joe isn't coming back, just because Kenny Atkinson is gone? Joe is a valuable guy on every team in the NBA, as a highly efficient, elite 3pt shooting threat. It doesn't matter who the coach is, he has value under every system or any coach. Way too early to say how our entire offensive philosophy will change.