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Post#401 » by therealbig3 » Mon Feb 8, 2021 1:41 am

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therealbig3 wrote:Starting to think Marks actually doesn’t know how to fill out a roster. We have like two players that are any good on defense and almost no legit size that can rebound and defend the rim, so let’s look to get Derrick Rose?

Yes, we lack a bench punch without Dinwiddie, and we desperately needed another good playmaker outside of Harden last night...but that’s such a rare occurrence, given that both Kyrie and KD were out. Under normal circumstances, we have all 3, and we don’t need a bench punch, because one of those guys will always be on the court and essentially replaces Dinwiddie’s role.

We have to stop loading up on offensive guards and actually look to acquiring bigs that can help.

Let's be realistic. We had great depth. Marks did a great job filling out the roster. Then Dinwiddie went down. Then we pulled of a trade of 3 rotation players for a star. Trying to fill a net of 3 rotation players midseason, pre-deadline, pre-buyout season is an impossible task. He is maintaining maximum flexibility by signing 2 guys to non-guaranteed deals, with the expectation that we'll be able to clean up after buyouts start happening.


I understand, but then why look into acquiring Rose? We have an abundance of offensive talent and no defense. Why keep adding offense instead of looking for bigs that might help us?
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#402 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Feb 8, 2021 3:30 am

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therealbig3 wrote:Starting to think Marks actually doesn’t know how to fill out a roster. We have like two players that are any good on defense and almost no legit size that can rebound and defend the rim, so let’s look to get Derrick Rose?

Yes, we lack a bench punch without Dinwiddie, and we desperately needed another good playmaker outside of Harden last night...but that’s such a rare occurrence, given that both Kyrie and KD were out. Under normal circumstances, we have all 3, and we don’t need a bench punch, because one of those guys will always be on the court and essentially replaces Dinwiddie’s role.

We have to stop loading up on offensive guards and actually look to acquiring bigs that can help.

Let's be realistic. We had great depth. Marks did a great job filling out the roster. Then Dinwiddie went down. Then we pulled of a trade of 3 rotation players for a star. Trying to fill a net of 3 rotation players midseason, pre-deadline, pre-buyout season is an impossible task. He is maintaining maximum flexibility by signing 2 guys to non-guaranteed deals, with the expectation that we'll be able to clean up after buyouts start happening.


I understand, but then why look into acquiring Rose? We have an abundance of offensive talent and no defense. Why keep adding offense instead of looking for bigs that might help us?

Because Kyrie is historically fragile, plus you're going to want to rest Kyrie and Harden occasionally. Unless you want to rely on Chiozza, Brown or Johnson being the primary back up ball handler in those games, you look to upgrade. Good teams tinker at the end of the bench & always upgrade talent, regardless of position. If you can upgrade from Johnson to Rose at a bargain basement price, you do it.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#403 » by GTR11 » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:36 am

W Cauley-Stein and Biambo maybe available. With returns of Kleibar and Zeller both got their min reduced to garbage time.

Wanted Portis at some point but he played himself into rotation. Bucks won't let him go.
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Post#404 » by Openheimer » Mon Feb 8, 2021 8:02 am

If you can get biyambo you do it. Drummond is looking unlikely .
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#405 » by Skybox » Tue Feb 9, 2021 2:00 pm

Take a look at ORL's Khem Birch...no frills, does the dirty work and lots of intangibles, tips, picks hard, etc

Many Magic fans are frustrated that Clifford, in a trainwreck of a season, is keeping Bamba on the bench while Birch plays really well. Keeps us in games, but for what? Can't blame Cliff for coaching to win (vs. develop/assess) but FO should pull the plug on his Birch safety net. He's a really solid piece at a low price...you guys aren't using Shamet are you?
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Post#406 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Feb 9, 2021 4:26 pm

Skybox wrote:Take a look at ORL's Khem Birch...no frills, does the dirty work and lots of intangibles, tips, picks hard, etc

Many Magic fans are frustrated that Clifford, in a trainwreck of a season, is keeping Bamba on the bench while Birch plays really well. Keeps us in games, but for what? Can't blame Cliff for coaching to win (vs. develop/assess) but FO should pull the plug on his Birch safety net. He's a really solid piece at a low price...you guys aren't using Shamet are you?


I would give you Shamet and a future 2nd for him. we need people that can rebound and hustle on this roster badly.
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Post#407 » by Iceberg_Slim » Tue Feb 9, 2021 9:08 pm

What we have
HARDEN: focusing on playmaking. He’s keeping the small 12 involved. Particularly the bigs and Joe/Jeff shooting. His scoring style hasn’t changed. Just the volume. High free throw and three point rates.
KYRIE: fantastic scorer on all 3 levels. his Cavs runs are forgotten. he outperformed Curry in 2016. offensively on par with 2001 Kobe to Lebrons Shaq.
DURANT KD is KD. like Kyrie they are both catch and shoot capable. Spot up or on the move. They are scoring capable from 3pt line to rim. Both are capable passers and willing defenders. But we have 3 high level playmakers on this team.
JOE: would be a normal third scorer on most teams. his three point shooting is fantastic. His off ball play keeps him highly valuable. But he has shown the ability to score off of screens. He is also proving to have some pull up ability. But even if he was only spot up capable(like most shooters) he has something most shooters don’t have; hustle.
JORDAN he isn’t a big minutes center anymore. however his use has become understated. If we look up back up centers he would be in contention of elite backup. He and the defense looks great when they scheme towards his strengths.
Here’s a great video showing exactly the sort of defense we need to play.

JEFF he’s been a fantastic glue guy. Since the Harden trade hes’s been 12/4 on 43% from three. 30mpg is too much for him and certainly 30 minutes of small ball. But at the four spot he’s perfect for the team.

What we need
30mpg PAINT PROTECTORBetween this player and DJ, as long as we play to their paint protection strengths, we will have our top 10 defense during the playoffs. It would be a full 48 minutes of paint protection. All of stars have been on fantastic defensive teams with varying degrees of defensive help. Kyrie was with Lebron but also stone feet love and their designated defenders were just Thompson/JR/Shump. Harden was Clint/Trevor/Luc/Tucker/Paul. Durant was with the best defensive personnel but they still lacked stellar paint protectors. Long as we focus on paint protection with our length from the main rotation we will be more than fine, not to mention the offensive efficiency would will make the opponents stumble trying to keep up.
3&D FORWARD: Someone who can start or come in for Jeff but bring at least what he does. Spacing and willingness to guard the small or power forward.
Either position is worth Spencer’s contract. Who has to be moved due to need and the possibility of losing out on our last core contract.

Not necessarily a need but we can’t have both Brown and Shamet. If they were combined it wouldn’t be as bad but for a team that maybe inclined to go small we can’t have small backcourts with small front courts. We already have the necessary offensive firepower. Theirs no benefit to have more “skill” on the floor with guards. We give up far too much on size with Kyrie and multiple 6’4 and under players. Not to mention Brown, who has been positive, could walk for nothing or be more expensive than necessary.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#408 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:04 am

We dont need floor spacers. this is the biggest misconception with this team. This isnt just any team. We have the 2 most elite jump shooters in the league (maybe ever?) They can get their shot vs anyone with or without space, Harden can get to the rim even with a big camping there. this is proven. and all 3 guys are outstanding 3 point shooters. You can put 2 ABSOLUTE ZEROS offensively next to that trio and still score a top 3 level.

After the big 3 the guys who lead us in minutes should be Brown/Shump/Green/Nonleh/DJ or whomever else is added who defends, rebounds, or blocks shots

winning 115-102 is better then losing 130-125
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Post#409 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:25 am

Prokorov wrote:We dont need floor spacers. this is the biggest misconception with this team. This isnt just any team. We have the 2 most elite jump shooters in the league (maybe ever?) They can get their shot vs anyone with or without space, Harden can get to the rim even with a big camping there. this is proven. and all 3 guys are outstanding 3 point shooters. You can put 2 ABSOLUTE ZEROS offensively next to that trio and still score a top 3 level.

After the big 3 the guys who lead us in minutes should be Brown/Shump/Green/Nonleh/DJ or whomever else is added who defends, rebounds, or blocks shots

winning 115-102 is better then losing 130-125

I absolutely disagree. While you don’t need offensively talented players next to this trio plus Joe, having non shooters make things far tougher for them. Essentially turning them into the Thunder of yesteryear. Spacing is key to forcing the defenses hands against these top level scorers. “Do we attack them and leave our man or do we let this 3 level scorer go 1 on 1?”. Yes the rest of the team absolutely need to be defensively oriented. But they have to be 3pt capable if they play one through 4. Also big. We can’t afford as a team without any DPOY candidates or any All Defense members to be playing defense small and thin.
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Post#410 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:28 am

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Prokorov wrote:We dont need floor spacers. this is the biggest misconception with this team. This isnt just any team. We have the 2 most elite jump shooters in the league (maybe ever?) They can get their shot vs anyone with or without space, Harden can get to the rim even with a big camping there. this is proven. and all 3 guys are outstanding 3 point shooters. You can put 2 ABSOLUTE ZEROS offensively next to that trio and still score a top 3 level.

After the big 3 the guys who lead us in minutes should be Brown/Shump/Green/Nonleh/DJ or whomever else is added who defends, rebounds, or blocks shots

winning 115-102 is better then losing 130-125

I absolutely disagree. While you don’t need offensively talented players next to this trio plus Joe, having non shooters make things far tougher for them. Essentially turning them into the Thunder of yesteryear. Spacing is key to forcing the defenses hands against these top level scorers. “Do we attack them and leave our man or do we let this 3 level scorer go 1 on 1?”. Yes the rest of the team absolutely need to be defensively oriented. But they have to be 3pt capable if they play one through 4. Also big. We can’t afford as a team without any DPOY candidates or any All Defense members to be playing defense small and thin.


100% false.

this is true in most instances. but not this one. having teams pack the paint doesnt work because we can score at will form mid range, on jumpers, from three with our big 3. you cant double team 3 players with 5 guys.

big 3 plus brown/shumpert is still the best offense in the league.

you cant force brown and shumper to take shots, because KD and Kyrie can get their shot off regardless of spacing.
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Post#411 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:31 am

Also, Nash has it completely backwards.

Play 2 defenders next to the big three and adust adding shooters when the offense stalls. dont go all out offense and then adjust adding a defender when you cant get stops.

if you cant score, its just an ugly back and forth game of missed shots. but if you cant defend, your going to be down 10 in no time
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#412 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:58 am

Prokorov wrote:
Iceberg_Slim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:We dont need floor spacers. this is the biggest misconception with this team. This isnt just any team. We have the 2 most elite jump shooters in the league (maybe ever?) They can get their shot vs anyone with or without space, Harden can get to the rim even with a big camping there. this is proven. and all 3 guys are outstanding 3 point shooters. You can put 2 ABSOLUTE ZEROS offensively next to that trio and still score a top 3 level.

After the big 3 the guys who lead us in minutes should be Brown/Shump/Green/Nonleh/DJ or whomever else is added who defends, rebounds, or blocks shots

winning 115-102 is better then losing 130-125

I absolutely disagree. While you don’t need offensively talented players next to this trio plus Joe, having non shooters make things far tougher for them. Essentially turning them into the Thunder of yesteryear. Spacing is key to forcing the defenses hands against these top level scorers. “Do we attack them and leave our man or do we let this 3 level scorer go 1 on 1?”. Yes the rest of the team absolutely need to be defensively oriented. But they have to be 3pt capable if they play one through 4. Also big. We can’t afford as a team without any DPOY candidates or any All Defense members to be playing defense small and thin.


100% false.

this is true in most instances. but not this one. having teams pack the paint doesnt work because we can score at will form mid range, on jumpers, from three with our big 3. you cant double team 3 players with 5 guys.

big 3 plus brown/shumpert is still the best offense in the league.

you cant force brown and shumper to take shots, because KD and Kyrie can get their shot off regardless of spacing.

Sorry you’re wrong. Those role players already get shots on this team now. Just the other night against the Raps they trapped us to death forcing the ball out our stars hands. The small 12 did well enough but if they weren’t capable it would only be worse.
You can’t double 3 with five but you can double whoever has the ball and not play off of the other 2.
This team is doing fantastic with Joe and Green being great shooters this season. You take shooting away from this big 3 and they are easier to maintain. Literally Harden comes from an all shooting team and even then they were willing to double him so much he stopped being a PnR player into just an iso player.
Again not saying they need to be knocked down but just capable. More important is the defense and absolutely the length. If this was the illegal defense era you could absolutely get away with what you’re saying but today you just are inviting a trap and a zone between who else is a threat.
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Post#413 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:02 am

Prokorov wrote:Also, Nash has it completely backwards.

Play 2 defenders next to the big three and adust adding shooters when the offense stalls. dont go all out offense and then adjust adding a defender when you cant get stops.

if you cant score, its just an ugly back and forth game of missed shots. but if you cant defend, your going to be down 10 in no time

Absolutely. Joe is the only offensive player needed. However while he’s not a “defender” he’s an absolute hustler.
Again the the small 12 has to be all defensive oriented players. We don’t need Shamet. Brown is a good defender but I’m not high on him. All we need is length defenders next to two rim protectors.
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Post#414 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:07 am

Iceberg_Slim wrote:
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Iceberg_Slim wrote:I absolutely disagree. While you don’t need offensively talented players next to this trio plus Joe, having non shooters make things far tougher for them. Essentially turning them into the Thunder of yesteryear. Spacing is key to forcing the defenses hands against these top level scorers. “Do we attack them and leave our man or do we let this 3 level scorer go 1 on 1?”. Yes the rest of the team absolutely need to be defensively oriented. But they have to be 3pt capable if they play one through 4. Also big. We can’t afford as a team without any DPOY candidates or any All Defense members to be playing defense small and thin.


100% false.

this is true in most instances. but not this one. having teams pack the paint doesnt work because we can score at will form mid range, on jumpers, from three with our big 3. you cant double team 3 players with 5 guys.

big 3 plus brown/shumpert is still the best offense in the league.

you cant force brown and shumper to take shots, because KD and Kyrie can get their shot off regardless of spacing.

Sorry you’re wrong. Those role players already get shots on this team now. Just the other night against the Raps they trapped us to death forcing the ball out our stars hands. The small 12 did well enough but if they weren’t capable it would only be worse.
You can’t double 3 with five but you can double whoever has the ball and not play off of the other 2.
This team is doing fantastic with Joe and Green being great shooters this season. You take shooting away from this big 3 and they are easier to maintain. Literally Harden comes from an all shooting team and even then they were willing to double him so much he stopped being a PnR player into just an iso player.
Again not saying they need to be knocked down but just capable. More important is the defense and absolutely the length. If this was the illegal defense era you could absolutely get away with what you’re saying but today you just are inviting a trap and a zone between who else is a threat.


we didnt have KD. he was pulled for COVID. before he left, he was +10. thats an awful example. we also didnt play a single minute of the big 3 + 2 defenders that game. they didnt force brown to takes 3s or jumpers.

you could not possibly be more wrong.
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Post#415 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:08 am

Iceberg_Slim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Also, Nash has it completely backwards.

Play 2 defenders next to the big three and adust adding shooters when the offense stalls. dont go all out offense and then adjust adding a defender when you cant get stops.

if you cant score, its just an ugly back and forth game of missed shots. but if you cant defend, your going to be down 10 in no time

Absolutely. Joe is the only offensive player needed. However while he’s not a “defender” he’s an absolute hustler.
Again the the small 12 has to be all defensive oriented players. We don’t need Shamet. Brown is a good defender but I’m not high on him. All we need is length defenders next to two rim protectors.


Harris shouldnt start. brown should. and with a second defender in that lineup as well.
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Post#416 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:29 am

Prokorov wrote:
Iceberg_Slim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
100% false.

this is true in most instances. but not this one. having teams pack the paint doesnt work because we can score at will form mid range, on jumpers, from three with our big 3. you cant double team 3 players with 5 guys.

big 3 plus brown/shumpert is still the best offense in the league.

you cant force brown and shumper to take shots, because KD and Kyrie can get their shot off regardless of spacing.

Sorry you’re wrong. Those role players already get shots on this team now. Just the other night against the Raps they trapped us to death forcing the ball out our stars hands. The small 12 did well enough but if they weren’t capable it would only be worse.
You can’t double 3 with five but you can double whoever has the ball and not play off of the other 2.
This team is doing fantastic with Joe and Green being great shooters this season. You take shooting away from this big 3 and they are easier to maintain. Literally Harden comes from an all shooting team and even then they were willing to double him so much he stopped being a PnR player into just an iso player.
Again not saying they need to be knocked down but just capable. More important is the defense and absolutely the length. If this was the illegal defense era you could absolutely get away with what you’re saying but today you just are inviting a trap and a zone between who else is a threat.


we didnt have KD. he was pulled for COVID. before he left, he was +10. thats an awful example. we also didnt play a single minute of the big 3 + 2 defenders that game. they didnt force brown to takes 3s or jumpers.

you could not possibly be more wrong.

Why is that an awful example? We need to have all three on the floor just not to have traps ruin an offense? They did force Green to take threes. It was the last game Harden and Kyrie both had under twenty. All because of traps and if our team small 12 didn’t shoot well enough it could’ve been far worse.
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Post#417 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:33 am

Prokorov wrote:
Iceberg_Slim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Also, Nash has it completely backwards.

Play 2 defenders next to the big three and adust adding shooters when the offense stalls. dont go all out offense and then adjust adding a defender when you cant get stops.

if you cant score, its just an ugly back and forth game of missed shots. but if you cant defend, your going to be down 10 in no time

Absolutely. Joe is the only offensive player needed. However while he’s not a “defender” he’s an absolute hustler.
Again the the small 12 has to be all defensive oriented players. We don’t need Shamet. Brown is a good defender but I’m not high on him. All we need is length defenders next to two rim protectors.


Harris shouldnt start. brown should. and with a second defender in that lineup as well.

Brown shouldn’t be on this team. But I agree again the small 12 should be defensive oriented. The nWo, rim protector, small ball 4. Harris wouldn’t start if we had a full roster but absolutely would finish. He’s our 6th man.
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Post#418 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:35 am

Iceberg_Slim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Iceberg_Slim wrote:Absolutely. Joe is the only offensive player needed. However while he’s not a “defender” he’s an absolute hustler.
Again the the small 12 has to be all defensive oriented players. We don’t need Shamet. Brown is a good defender but I’m not high on him. All we need is length defenders next to two rim protectors.


Harris shouldnt start. brown should. and with a second defender in that lineup as well.

Brown shouldn’t be on this team. But I agree again the small 12 should be defensive oriented. The nWo, rim protector, small ball 4. Harris wouldn’t start if we had a full roster but absolutely would finish. He’s our 6th man.


Brown has to be on this team. and we need more like him.
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Post#419 » by Openheimer » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:38 am

Shamet, Tyler Johnson and a second should get us PJ Tucker. Then see if the kings are willing to trade Hassan Whiteside or McGee from the cavs.

You will also have the MLE and the Dinwiddie DPE to fill out the roster
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Post#420 » by Iceberg_Slim » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:45 am

Prokorov wrote:
Iceberg_Slim wrote:
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Harris shouldnt start. brown should. and with a second defender in that lineup as well.

Brown shouldn’t be on this team. But I agree again the small 12 should be defensive oriented. The nWo, rim protector, small ball 4. Harris wouldn’t start if we had a full roster but absolutely would finish. He’s our 6th man.


Brown has to be on this team. and we need more like him.

Need more defenders but not more small defenders who can’t shoot. We would’ve gotten RHJ and MKG if that was all that’s needed. No team is surviving only 4 shooters especially when even one has to sit.

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