Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

F3LON · Post #421 » by **F3LON** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:17 pm

Paradise wrote:
F3LON wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:It's hilarious that Billy King of all people is the one holding the Lance Stephenson trade back. This is the problem with our ownership situation now. They're trying to sell and probably don't care enough to force his hand.

If Lance is on the table, we HAVE to make that gamble. Lance is young, fits our need like a glove and was a borderline all star. We don't have the magical chemistry of a team like OKC or SAS but we do have vets that would keep a guy like Lance somewhat in line. KG would be huge for him.

Settling for Lamb and Thad Young would be awful.

He doesnt fit the Billy King ideal player profile. He's too athletic. He's too competitive. He is too aggressive. He plays Defense.

Instead lets get Lamb who fits the DWill/Lopez profile. He underachieves. He doesnt play with full effort. He is a nice guy. SMH

I do like Thad on this team though. We need to fast break and pairing him with Plumlee would be hard for opposing front courts to match up with. Plus Thad is only 27.

The hesitancy has nothing to do with skill or talent. It has everything to do with his character issues and putting him in the NY spotlight. If he didn't have such a poor reputation in Charlotte, we would have him in a Nets jersey by now.

I would like to see Lance here but his character flaws are a legitimate issue and the OKC deal provides less baggage.

We suck already, how big of a risk is it really? We arent breaking up the 72 win Bulls here.

Lopez has huge character flaws as well. He is soft and lazy.

MrDollarBills · Post #422 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:44 pm

F3LON wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:It's hilarious that Billy King of all people is the one holding the Lance Stephenson trade back. This is the problem with our ownership situation now. They're trying to sell and probably don't care enough to force his hand.

If Lance is on the table, we HAVE to make that gamble. Lance is young, fits our need like a glove and was a borderline all star. We don't have the magical chemistry of a team like OKC or SAS but we do have vets that would keep a guy like Lance somewhat in line. KG would be huge for him.

Settling for Lamb and Thad Young would be awful.

He doesnt fit the Billy King ideal player profile. He's too athletic. He's too competitive. He is too aggressive. He plays Defense.

Instead lets get Lamb who fits the DWill/Lopez profile. He underachieves. He doesnt play with full effort. He is a nice guy. SMH

I do like Thad on this team though. We need to fast break and pairing him with Plumlee would be hard for opposing front courts to match up with. Plus Thad is only 27.

I'm wary about his character issues as well. We aren't privy to the information that has been given to basketball people behind the scenes about what he has done in Indy and Charlotte to warrant King to be very afraid of bringing him in here.

Believe me, I want this guy here, and I want to flip a deal to bring in Thad as well. But I will not second guess King with the Lance deal if he's a serious locker room issue, especially with a hard ass like Hollins.

At the end of the day, if we trade for him and he acts like a fool it will be a short term risk.

Paradise · Post #423 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:56 pm

F3LON wrote:
Paradise wrote:
F3LON wrote:
He doesnt fit the Billy King ideal player profile. He's too athletic. He's too competitive. He is too aggressive. He plays Defense.

Instead lets get Lamb who fits the DWill/Lopez profile. He underachieves. He doesnt play with full effort. He is a nice guy. SMH

I do like Thad on this team though. We need to fast break and pairing him with Plumlee would be hard for opposing front courts to match up with. Plus Thad is only 27.

The hesitancy has nothing to do with skill or talent. It has everything to do with his character issues and putting him in the NY spotlight. If he didn't have such a poor reputation in Charlotte, we would have him in a Nets jersey by now.

I would like to see Lance here but his character flaws are a legitimate issue and the OKC deal provides less baggage.

We suck already, how big of a risk is it really? We arent breaking up the 72 win Bulls here.

Lopez has huge character flaws as well. He is soft and lazy.

It's a huge risk. Lopez is the only one left with trade value out of our Big 3 and Lance provides no guarantee of equal value. A deal directly with OKC is a safer bet. Teams normally trade their centerpiece for prospects, picks and an expiring contract.

You can't possibly compare someone being soft or lazy to someone being labeled as a bad teammate and locker room cancer. I still do want to take a chance on Lance but not unless Charlotte provides some compensation for taking him off their hands.

Prokorov · Post #424 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:05 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
Paradise wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/556178757053333506[/tweet]

This is something that I'm OK with, especially regarding the deal from OKC.

Lamb + Perkins is already settled. This must mean that we were asking for PJ3, Reggie Jackson, or a 1st/2nd rd pick in addition to the aforementioned package and OKC declined for now.

We need OKC to struggle and/or Lopez to play well so OKC feels compelled to add more.

I know it's definitely not certain but IF it's true that we can re-route Perkins for you're talking about Lamb, Thad Young, and PJ3/R.Jackson/1st for Lopez. That would be an extremely good hall just for Lopez who could opt out at season's end.

IMO, the potential reward of a huge haul which could compensate for all of our traded picks is worth holding on to Lopez for now.

I'm growing impatient, but honestly if they are holding out for more then I applaud it... it is the stuff i hear about "i like how we are playing so trades are off for now" that make me insane.

but holding strong for PJ3 or Jackson until the deadline is fine with me. It seems a couple teams are really interested and worst case we can fall back on perkins/lamb. i'd sit brook lopez until he is traded though. him getting injured between now and the deadline would be an enormous blow to the franchise.

Also, any deal we make were we get perkins, we should 100% flip him for thad young. thats a great move short and long term

Prokorov · Post #425 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:07 pm

MGrand15 wrote:It's hilarious that Billy King of all people is the one holding the Lance Stephenson trade back. This is the problem with our ownership situation now. They're trying to sell and probably don't care enough to force his hand.

If Lance is on the table, we HAVE to make that gamble. Lance is young, fits our need like a glove and was a borderline all star. We don't have the magical chemistry of a team like OKC or SAS but we do have vets that would keep a guy like Lance somewhat in line. KG would be huge for him.

Settling for Lamb and Thad Young would be awful.

Lamb and thad young isnt a bad haul. that could be the move that gets us in the playoffs this year.

getting lance helps, but we'd still have major issues at PF

Prokorov · Post #426 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:20 pm

4 way deal: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6558115

This is the perfect trade for us. We get a young player in Lamb and 3 low risk win now types in marvin/lance/thad. we take on 0 long term money, get younger, more athletic and fill major holes at SG and PF. even if lance is a complete 0, we still upgrade PF this year significantly and go from thin to deep there and some punch/shooting at SG with lamb... and if lance gets his act together at SG its a homerun for us.

longterm everyone expires after next season, just like brook would have

Nets Give: Brook Lopez, mirza Teletovic, Bogdanovic
Nets Get: Lance Stevenson, Lamb, Thad Young, Marvin Williams

why: turn lopez into a bunch of pieces that help then get into the playoffs this year then expire as well as get younger players who they may want to keep longer term if they work out. Get much more athletic and fill major needs at SG/PF

OKC give: Perkins, Lamb, PJ3
OKC get: Brook Lopez

OKC gets their target lopez, adding some scoring from the 5 spot off the bench without dipping into picks or including jackson.

Charlotte give: Lance, Marvin Williams
charlotte get: Teletovic(expiring), PJ3

Charlotte dumps lance and attaches marvins contract, they get back a young player in PJ3 and a stretch 4 in teletovic. they shed some salary and move lance without having to give up a pick or prospect or take on any bad money.

Minny give: Thad young
Minny get: Perkins (expiring), Bogdanovic

Minny gets an expiring for thad youg, and get a prospect in bogdanovic in the process.

Only 2 potential hold ups i see are OKC not wanting to include PJ3 or minny wanting to dump more money.

Keith Van Horn · Post #427 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:32 pm

Prokorov wrote:4 way deal: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6558115

This is the perfect trade for us. We get a young player in Lamb and 3 low risk win now types in marvin/lance/thad. we take on 0 long term money, get younger, more athletic and fill major holes at SG and PF. even if lance is a complete 0, we still upgrade PF this year significantly and go from thin to deep there and some punch/shooting at SG with lamb... and if lance gets his act together at SG its a homerun for us.

longterm everyone expires after next season, just like brook would have

Nets Give: Brook Lopez, mirza Teletovic, Bogdanovic
Nets Get: Lance Stevenson, Lamb, Thad Young, Marvin Williams

why: turn lopez into a bunch of pieces that help then get into the playoffs this year then expire as well as get younger players who they may want to keep longer term if they work out. Get much more athletic and fill major needs at SG/PF

OKC give: Perkins, Lamb, PJ3
OKC get: Brook Lopez

OKC gets their target lopez, adding some scoring from the 5 spot off the bench without dipping into picks or including jackson.

Charlotte give: Lance, Marvin Williams
charlotte get: Teletovic(expiring), PJ3

Charlotte dumps lance and attaches marvins contract, they get back a young player in PJ3 and a stretch 4 in teletovic. they shed some salary and move lance without having to give up a pick or prospect or take on any bad money.

Minny give: Thad young
Minny get: Perkins (expiring), Bogdanovic

Minny gets an expiring for thad youg, and get a prospect in bogdanovic in the process.

Only 2 potential hold ups i see are OKC not wanting to include PJ3 or minny wanting to dump more money.

That would be a coup on our part if we could pull it off! I'm behind you for this trade. But I'm thinking Minny want to try to get our of Martin's deal possibly if they're taking Bogs and giving up Thad.

Prokorov · Post #428 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:34 pm

macgyver893 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:4 way deal: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6558115

This is the perfect trade for us. We get a young player in Lamb and 3 low risk win now types in marvin/lance/thad. we take on 0 long term money, get younger, more athletic and fill major holes at SG and PF. even if lance is a complete 0, we still upgrade PF this year significantly and go from thin to deep there and some punch/shooting at SG with lamb... and if lance gets his act together at SG its a homerun for us.

longterm everyone expires after next season, just like brook would have

Nets Give: Brook Lopez, mirza Teletovic, Bogdanovic
Nets Get: Lance Stevenson, Lamb, Thad Young, Marvin Williams

why: turn lopez into a bunch of pieces that help then get into the playoffs this year then expire as well as get younger players who they may want to keep longer term if they work out. Get much more athletic and fill major needs at SG/PF

OKC give: Perkins, Lamb, PJ3
OKC get: Brook Lopez

OKC gets their target lopez, adding some scoring from the 5 spot off the bench without dipping into picks or including jackson.

Charlotte give: Lance, Marvin Williams
charlotte get: Teletovic(expiring), PJ3

Charlotte dumps lance and attaches marvins contract, they get back a young player in PJ3 and a stretch 4 in teletovic. they shed some salary and move lance without having to give up a pick or prospect or take on any bad money.

Minny give: Thad young
Minny get: Perkins (expiring), Bogdanovic

Minny gets an expiring for thad youg, and get a prospect in bogdanovic in the process.

Only 2 potential hold ups i see are OKC not wanting to include PJ3 or minny wanting to dump more money.

That would be a coup on our part if we could pull it off! I'm behind you for this trade. But I'm thinking Minny want to try to get our of Martin's deal possibly if they're taking Bogs and giving up Thad.

give up thad is a plus for them, they save alot of money next year with that. i can see them wanting to dump budinger, but push come to shove i cant see them tunring down and expiring + prospect for thad unless someone came in and did much better which is unlikely

maybe im missing something though... i posted it on the trade board to see what fans of those teams say

MrDollarBills · Post #429 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:27 pm

My god that trade would save the season not only this year, but it will give us something to work with next year.

Plumlee/Jordan
KG/Thad/Jefferson
Joe/Williams/Karasev
Lance/Lamb/Brown
Williams/Jack/Morris

It won't happen :-(

MGrand15 · Post #430 » by **MGrand15** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:35 pm

I wonder if we can somehow snag Reggie Jackson + Lance Stephenson. Reggie seems like the odd man out in OKC with Waiters. Bringing 2 questionable characters with lots of talent seems like a recipe for success!

MGrand15 · Post #431 » by **MGrand15** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:35 pm

I wonder if we can somehow snag Reggie Jackson + Lance Stephenson. Reggie seems like the odd man out in OKC with Waiters. Bringing 2 questionable characters with lots of talent seems like a recipe for success!

MGrand15 · Post #432 » by **MGrand15** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:36 pm

I wonder if we can somehow snag Reggie Jackson + Lance Stephenson. Reggie seems like the odd man out in OKC with Waiters. Bringing 2 questionable characters with lots of talent seems like a recipe for success!

Prokorov · Post #433 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:40 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I wonder if we can somehow snag Reggie Jackson + Lance Stephenson. Reggie seems like the odd man out in OKC with Waiters. Bringing 2 questionable characters with lots of talent seems like a recipe for success!

i dont see how we can get jackson. he is better then lopez, would hurt OKC's playoff chances, and they could get alot more for him then lopez.

We would need to trade plumlee to get it done, which would be a bad move

Keith Van Horn · Post #434 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:06 pm

I really hope King antes up and takes the gamble of Lance. I think he's going to work for a lot of reasons:

- The obvious thrill he'll have of his homecoming. That could be major in elevating his gameplay.
- The position he plays will take pressure of JJ
- He can create off the dribble, and with him and Deron back in the lineup that will be huge

I don't think Lance is the answer, but he will be a nice piece to have and build around. I don't imagine him being more than a 3rd piece to JJ/Deron, but guys like him and Plumlee are the motors that our team needs.

Prokorov · Post #435 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:20 pm

We need something to go down... after these next 3 games its back to playing teams that are going to pummell us

Shook Jones · Post #436 » by **Shook Jones** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:49 pm

I am surprised we arent hearing anything today I thought this was when it was going to get done.

MrDollarBills · Post #437 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:53 pm

King is content with gifting the Hawks a lottery pick

Post #438 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:34 pm

Shook Jones wrote:I am surprised we arent hearing anything today I thought this was when it was going to get done.

Why did you expect something to get done today?

I think they're waiting until the trading deadline and even at that, it wouldn't surprise me if ownership was still under the delusional idea that this team can make noise in the playoffs if healthy.

IMO, it's best to stop hoping and put your mind on something else, because it'll drive just you mad. I don't think anything is happening imminently.

Prokorov · Post #439 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:43 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
Shook Jones wrote:I am surprised we arent hearing anything today I thought this was when it was going to get done.

Why did you expect something to get done today?

I think they're waiting until the trading deadline and even at that, it wouldn't surprise me if ownership was still under the delusional idea that this team can make noise in the playoffs if healthy.

IMO, it's best to stop hoping and put your mind on something else, because it'll drive just you mad. I don't think anything is happening imminently.

if we wait until the deadline we will be 3 games out of the playoffs or more. our schedule is brutal coming up prior to that.

Post #440 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:57 pm

Prokorov wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:
Shook Jones wrote:I am surprised we arent hearing anything today I thought this was when it was going to get done.

Why did you expect something to get done today?

I think they're waiting until the trading deadline and even at that, it wouldn't surprise me if ownership was still under the delusional idea that this team can make noise in the playoffs if healthy.

IMO, it's best to stop hoping and put your mind on something else, because it'll drive just you mad. I don't think anything is happening imminently.

if we wait until the deadline we will be 3 games out of the playoffs or more. our schedule is brutal coming up prior to that.

Never said I agree with it. It's just what I expect the FO to do.

They're quick to make rash, ill-advised to decisions, but take forever to make good, smart ones. I've stopped hoping for logical approaches from them for a while now.