Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread

[Papi_swav]

love it for the pacers and also the jazz. jazz deseperately needed someone exactly like hill. i assume they'd have taken teague but werent convinced they could get him to resign being in utah. i assume indy is more confident?

decent value for atlanta as well. not sure youre doing much better with teague being able to walk

So it looks like ATL could be doing this solely to be able to offer two max slots and make a run at Durant. They could also have enough for Dwight (homecoming) and have a Millsap/Horford/D12 frontcourt.

Unless the Nets really believe they have a chance at Durant ( ), this could very well be an opportunity where Jarrett Jack's contract becomes a huge deal. I haven't run the calculations myself but I hear they're about $3mil off two max slots.

Marks may be able to get ATL's picks for Jarrett Jack if they really only care about obtaining the cap space needed to offer two max slots.

The Nets could do serious work with 12 & 21.

I believe that they ar trying to trade a pick to dump some salary . Jack for Tiago splitter and the 21st so they can option jack and save close to 8 mill. Highly doubt they give us both picks or even the 12th pick

[Mkdaman1818]

I hope we wind up with Eric, and Tiago and first rounder from ATL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mysportslegion/status/745713145201688576[/tweet]

[NyCeEvO]

I hope we wind up with Eric, and Tiago and first rounder from ATL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mysportslegion/status/745713145201688576[/tweet]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

[Mkdaman1818]

I hope we wind up with Eric, and Tiago and first rounder from ATL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mysportslegion/status/745713145201688576[/tweet]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

[NyCeEvO]

I hope we wind up with Eric, and Tiago and first rounder from ATL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mysportslegion/status/745713145201688576[/tweet]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

[Mkdaman1818]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

I would be very surprised if Jack wasn't traded tomorrow night, given the nature of his contract. Jack for a first rounder for a team looking to clear cap room is a no brainer. I agree about the bad contracts too, but that would keep us from going after Fournier or another max deal. It's definitely the backup option though, IMO.

[NyCeEvO]

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

I would be very surprised if Jack wasn't traded tomorrow night, given the nature of his contract. Jack for a first rounder for a team looking to clear cap room is a no brainer. I agree about the bad contracts too, but that would keep us from going after Fournier or another max deal. It's definitely the backup option though, IMO.

If Jarrett Jack isn't traded by tomorrow night, it'll be the first time I question Marks decision making regarding basketball-related moves.

I'm not too concerned about having a max slot open this offseason. What you don't want is to foolishly think that top-level stars will consider you and then if you strike out along with other playoff-caliber teams, you're fighting with them for the scraps.

I'd aggressively pursue 2nd and 3rd tier players and ONLY take on bad contracts if I get assets with them. I don't think you stockpile the team with bad contracts, because then you're not only bad, you also can't flip those contracts. Taking on even one bad contract comes with a price.

[Dirk]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

That is a good plan on paper. Take on bad salaries. Try to sign young guys with a chance to develop / become trade assets --- like what Portland did.

The thing is: there are a lot of teams with the ability to absorve bad contracts and the bad contracts aren't as awful with the cap jump, so the price to pay may not be that significant. Even if it is, it'd mean the Nets would be taking on undesirable players and be worse. And again making the Celtics feel good about themselves. Are you really ok with this being a plan? Or it's more of a plan B if the Nets fail at landing players good enough to make them playoff team. If there wasn't the pending situation with the picks, this would be a sound idea.

[Mkdaman1818]

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

That is a good plan on paper. Take on bad salaries. Try to sign young guys with a chance to develop / become trade assets --- like what Portland did.

The thing is: there are a lot of teams with the ability to absorve bad contracts and the bad contracts aren't as awful with the cap jump, so the price to pay may not be that significant. Even if it is, it'd mean the Nets would be taking on undesirable players and be worse. And again making the Celtics feel good about themselves. Are you really ok with this being a plan? Or it's more of a plan B if the Nets fail at landing players good enough to make them playoff team. If there wasn't the pending situation with the picks, this would be a sound idea.

To me it depends on who exactly we'd be taking on. Tyson chandler is a very iffy contract to take on cause we'd essentially be paying $13mm/year for a declining backup center. But if the payoff is either Bledsoe or Knight, and we can't get Fournier or Durant (lol) I'd consider it, especially because Chandler is a good character guy. But that comes back to what I'm saying... It's def a backup plan.

[MrDollarBills]

This is where my heart sinks with the Nets lack of assets.

It depends on whether teams strictly want cap space, or if they'd want assets. Atl wants to clear space, so I'm really hoping we get something done there. Don't know what phoenix's goal is, but if it's strictly to clear cap space, we got a shot.

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

if the "bad" contract comes with a player that fills an immediate need i'd consider it. but Tyson Chandler's deal is really bad.

[MrDollarBills]

IMO, the Nets should really be looking to take back "bad" contracts right now, unless that contract belongs to a player with a bad personality. It's the primary way to accumulate assets without giving up much, and considering how the much the cap is jumping no contract is that bad.

If it meant taking on Tyson Chandler's contract, I'd do it. The problem is that the cap doesn't jump until July 1st while Jack has to be waived by June 30 and we'd have to match salaries prior to July 1st.

EDIT: We also have a small TE from the Plumlee trade but I believe that can only be used in a 1-for-1 deal.

I would be very surprised if Jack wasn't traded tomorrow night, given the nature of his contract. Jack for a first rounder for a team looking to clear cap room is a no brainer. I agree about the bad contracts too, but that would keep us from going after Fournier or another max deal. It's definitely the backup option though, IMO.

If Jarrett Jack isn't traded by tomorrow night, it'll be the first time I question Marks decision making regarding basketball-related moves.

I'm not too concerned about having a max slot open this offseason. What you don't want is to foolishly think that top-level stars will consider you and then if you strike out along with other playoff-caliber teams, you're fighting with them for the scraps.

I'd aggressively pursue 2nd and 3rd tier players and ONLY take on bad contracts if I get assets with them. I don't think you stockpile the team with bad contracts, because then you're not only bad, you also can't flip those contracts. Taking on even one bad contract comes with a price.

If Jack isn't moved its because there isn't a team that is interested in a salary dump.

I'd find that hard to believe (that we can't move Jack) with teams not wanting to shell out elevated rookie salary for some of these picks in a weak draft.

I'm with you. we need to go for the 2nd tier guys from the door. why even waste time

[NyCeEvO]

On completely different note:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/fanly/status/745700966964543488[/tweet]

[MrDollarBills]

so the guy's worthless because he can't carry a horrible roster to 46 wins. ridiculous.

you do this CONSTANTLY. put words in peoples mouth even when they say nothing near that.

Did i say lopez is worthless? absolutely not. and i said specifcally it was NOT lopez fault we were a bad team. All of those things are completely besides the point. The point was, throwing lopez on GS in place of bogut doesnt really make them a better team... for 2 main reasons.

1) bogut is a role player who plays 20 minutes a game. Lopez isnt a role guy. if you have to play lopez 35 minutes a nigth thats 15 minutes your not going with your best small ball/death lineup if your GS. your limiting the massive advantage you get with draymond at the 5.

2) Bogut is a role guy they could on for 3 things and 3 things only. Defense, Rebounding, and high IQ play. those are 3 things lopez does not excel at. so while lopez is better then bogut(so please to come back and say we are calling lopez a worthless scrub) if GS needs to have one of them for 20 minutes in that specific roll they are probably better with bogut

and yes, defensively he isn't great against P and R and any team that we field will have to have players on the wing and point who will have to right through screens but hell, I'd rather have Lopez than not.

I think we all would rather have lopez then not. I dont think anyone said otherwise. I think the narrative was that we would be better off with a modern day big who is mobile, defendends, and can switch on to smalls, and if the opportunity with the right value allowed us to move on from brook it wouldnt be a bad idea.

not sure how you spun that into us calling lopez worthless cause he didnt lead us to 46 wins.

Net Sentence said he would dump Lopez for Tyson Chandler.

And yes, we would be better off with the type of big you're saying....if we had scorers and shooters at spots 1-4 like how the teams you see these kinds of bigs thriving on have.

We don't. which is why I find any talk about dumping Lopez at this point or clamoring for another kind of big kind of silly when we don't have the personnel for it. swap out Lopez for that kind of big with what we have here and you'd be calling that same player a scrub because he can't do anything else. we need to just accept that fact that we'll have to work with what we have, and what we have is a very good, B Tier level center than can score efficiently and block shots.

[shakendfries]

Man, the NBA is going crazy right now - Woj is reporting Ibaka got traded to the Magic

[Kaiser30]

Man, the NBA is going crazy right now - Woj is reporting Ibaka got traded to the Magic

Oladipo to OKC.

Damn, they are a lock to match any offer sheet for Evan Fournier now.

[shakendfries]

trade gawd, we are not worthy

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/746143059113615365[/tweet]

[Papi_swav]

Durant to BK confirmed

[Paradise]

WTF is Presti doing?

[Mkdaman1818]

WTF is Presti doing?

Fleecing the magic?

[Keith Van Horn]

Man, OKC is primed to make another serious run next year now. Oladipo will be great as a 6th man when Westbrook and Durant go to the bench, and then play him with them late game. The worst thing they did though was give Kanter that huge deal. They need to find some way to unload him or really develop him into a solid bench guy.

But seriously, what a dangerous team for next year.

Westbrook - Payne
Roberson - Oladipo
Durant - Waiters
Sabonis - Illyasova
Adams - Kanter

and then still have Singler, Morrow, McGary