2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Ror1997]

Ok, prok. You say you're reading my posts but you're clearly not. I mentioned Skil Harris and Acy as good role players that Marks found. I said he could find similar role players in the future. You responded by saying these guys aren't franchise players and we shouldn't bank on dleaguers being all stars.

your mentioned those 3 in response to me saying once we extend dlo/levert/rhj we'd be capped out with the, and porter. insinuating that marks could add talent by finding gems in the dleague.


to which my response is... its great to find rotation players in the dleague but they arent going to get a team of role players over the hump.

i credited marks with those finds. but as a GM what really matters is how you use your cap space and picks.

im still waiting for you to comment on what we do when levert/dlo/RHJ cme up for extensions

Which I already answered. In my post. That you "read"

[Prokorov]

3rd year is not guaranteed, so basically 2 years max. It is not like there is any good free agents in the market that want to sign with the Nets for now. He can play 2 years here, be a mentor and leader and he might stay as vet min after that for the rest of his career.

i wouldnt take him for 1 year at the max. if you want a veteran leader, then bring in another foye or scola type. if your going to spend money, do it on either a young guy or someone who helps by being an elite shooter

I mean we don't even have to give him max just give him whatever he wants to come here, in my opinion he is a good fit.

i dont see it. even if we were trying to win now he doesnt come close to moving the needle enough to make us playoff relevant. i like him as a mentor but id rather go with a cheaper one. also dont see why he would come here unless its for a big payday

[Prokorov]

Which I already answered. In my post. That you "read"

I dont recall seeing that post... ill read back. did you quote me in the thread where you said if you would decline options on Dlo/RHJ/Levert or extend them and be capped out?

What did you estimate for contracts on those guys? are you confident with a capped out team with those 3 and porter without any add real talent to that group?

edit: went back the past 8 pages from the original posts on porter. i dont see you addressing extensions for those players or the future cap ramifications of maxing out porter. unless you are referring to when you sad "as far as cap flxibility, thats marks problem". which really isnt an answer.



Thats out salary situation after next season with porter on a 4/100 deal. RHJ/Dlo would be RFA's after being extended the qualifying offer.

so 17 or so million under the cap. do you match on Dlo or RHJ? if so how much would you match up to? 15M? 20M? more then that?

Lets say you get both 15M per year on 4/60 deals. which i think would be very reasonable team friendly contracts right?

well that would move the cap hits from a combied 12M to a combined 30 million eating up your 17million in cap space and putting us just at or over the cap.

are you conifdent with a core of Dlo/RHJ/Porter/Levert moving forward and being capped out?

what if those guys sign offer sheets for more then 15M per?

these are the types of long term questions im referring to when i say if you max a role guy like porter you run into complications down the road

[hood30]

i like the olynk singing but 3/30 seems a bit low for a 26 year old stretch floor who is adequete on D and can put it on the floor. but id take him at 3/45 as well so not really an issue.

I''d only take Gallo at 2/40 if the second year is a team option. otherwise hard pass. would prefer reddick or just be done with kelly and acy

sending Allen to the dleague is a crazy move to me. why are we sending our #1 pick and a guy who needs development down to play veterans on a team where winning doesnt matter?

i mean im fine with him spending some time down there. but he should get 55-65 games at 15 mpg. he needs development and the best way to do that is vs live nba competition in meaningful minutes

I dont think Olynyk has a great market otherwise Ainge would try some S&T shenanigans with him. Trader Danny always wants his assets and if he can finagle something out of a player he's not keeping, he'll do it.

At most i'd go 3/36 for Olynyk, the 3rd yea TO is the most important bit imo.

I feel in a motion offense Gallinari would thrive and his usage would decrease and thus his odds of reinjury. He can be sold that he's coming to be a young team to be a leader and be piling up stats as the team is all set to run and gun and bomb away from 3. I honestly think he's the perfect mid level modern PF skillset and cost wise. Him taking a short term deal if iffy as all hell, but to me if such a deal can be swung it'd benefit all parties greatly.

I just dont get your love afffair with Reddick. You slam Lin for being too old (29) and should be being phased out soon and yet youre all hot to trot in giving a 33 year old a 4 year big ass deal. If the team didnt have DLo, i can sorta see it (the money is my dealbreaker on still saying no), but with the team as is, it needs to spend that money on a big, ideally a SF/PF type who has a modern skillset and can D up both positions, hence why i'm pushing for Gallinari hard.

Ive watched JJ for years, having gone to plenty of Clipper games, him coming here for 20% of the teams cap is just as bad if not worse than giving 25% to Otto Porter. A nice complementary piece and nothing more. Asking JJ to D up hard at 34 when his backcourt mate is DLo and Levert is asking too much for a short not terribly atheletic (by nba standards) guard. You can have as high of bball IQ as you want, but if the body is simply unable, its the same as no defense.

Simply put signing Reddick to his market set value is just short sighted and stupid and with the added penalty of eating development PT from Whitehead, SKil, Harris, Dim, Goodwin, aetcwhoever else they might bring in for a try out.

Agree here...Reddick is a great shooter but at 33 year old, do you really want to offer him $20M for 4 years, specially if he's not going to push you into playoff contention anyway.

If Lopez was traded because he was getting old and you didn't want to pay him $20M just to be a mid-level team, why would you turn around and give this same money to a 33 year old SG who will also not move the needle that much as for contending for a playoff spot.

Not only that, but Reddick also takes minutes away from your young players...So all this yapping about prioritizing the development of young players by pushing Lin to the bench to make room for DLo/LeVert, but fully okay with a much older player which will take you $18M???

That's speaking from both side of your mouth.

My guess is he would love to see this move because that's probably the 1 move that pushes Lin into the bench...How can you be luke-warm on Porter who is 23-24 with good shooting skill and fits into the future of Brooklyn but yet strongly in support of Reddick who will probably be a shell of himself in a couple years at 35-36.

[Prokorov]

i like the olynk singing but 3/30 seems a bit low for a 26 year old stretch floor who is adequete on D and can put it on the floor. but id take him at 3/45 as well so not really an issue.

I''d only take Gallo at 2/40 if the second year is a team option. otherwise hard pass. would prefer reddick or just be done with kelly and acy

sending Allen to the dleague is a crazy move to me. why are we sending our #1 pick and a guy who needs development down to play veterans on a team where winning doesnt matter?

i mean im fine with him spending some time down there. but he should get 55-65 games at 15 mpg. he needs development and the best way to do that is vs live nba competition in meaningful minutes

I dont think Olynyk has a great market otherwise Ainge would try some S&T shenanigans with him. Trader Danny always wants his assets and if he can finagle something out of a player he's not keeping, he'll do it.

At most i'd go 3/36 for Olynyk, the 3rd yea TO is the most important bit imo.

I feel in a motion offense Gallinari would thrive and his usage would decrease and thus his odds of reinjury. He can be sold that he's coming to be a young team to be a leader and be piling up stats as the team is all set to run and gun and bomb away from 3. I honestly think he's the perfect mid level modern PF skillset and cost wise. Him taking a short term deal if iffy as all hell, but to me if such a deal can be swung it'd benefit all parties greatly.

I just dont get your love afffair with Reddick. You slam Lin for being too old (29) and should be being phased out soon and yet youre all hot to trot in giving a 33 year old a 4 year big ass deal. If the team didnt have DLo, i can sorta see it (the money is my dealbreaker on still saying no), but with the team as is, it needs to spend that money on a big, ideally a SF/PF type who has a modern skillset and can D up both positions, hence why i'm pushing for Gallinari hard.

Ive watched JJ for years, having gone to plenty of Clipper games, him coming here for 20% of the teams cap is just as bad if not worse than giving 25% to Otto Porter. A nice complementary piece and nothing more. Asking JJ to D up hard at 34 when his backcourt mate is DLo and Levert is asking too much for a short not terribly atheletic (by nba standards) guard. You can have as high of bball IQ as you want, but if the body is simply unable, its the same as no defense.

Simply put signing Reddick to his market set value is just short sighted and stupid and with the added penalty of eating development PT from Whitehead, SKil, Harris, Dim, Goodwin, aetcwhoever else they might bring in for a try out.

Agree here...Reddick is a great shooter but at 33 year old, do you really want to offer him $20M for 4 years, specially if he's not going to push you into playoff contention anyway.

If Lopez was traded because he was getting old and you didn't want to pay him $20M just to be a mid-level team, why would you turn around and give this same money to a 33 year old SG who will also not move the needle that much as for contending for a playoff spot.

Not only that, but Reddick also takes minutes away from your young players...So all this yapping about prioritizing the development of young players by pushing Lin to the bench to make room for DLo/LeVert, but fully okay with a much older player which will take you $18M???

That's speaking from both side of your mouth.

My guess is he would love to see this move because that's probably the 1 move that pushes Lin into the bench...How can you be luke-warm on Porter who is 23-24 with good shooting skill and fits into the future of Brooklyn but yet strongly in support of Reddick who will probably be a shell of himself in a couple years at 35-36.

to me reddick would be an enormous boost to player development. i woudlnt bring him here to win. no one outside golden state creates more space then reddick. he would evolve this offense and allow young guys to play with the requisite space required to make this offense run the way it should

if you dont think reddick would provide this, then i can see why you wouldnt want him. me wanting him here has 0 to do with his impact on wins

[Vae Victus]

Prok is definitely not a fan of Lin, calling him a bench scrub and overpaid at his signing. Sucks that Lin was the best the Nets can come up with, but Lin will do his part in working hard and showing he's more than deserving of the chance the Nets gave him in starting.

Personally i'm too tired and lazy to try to argue with people who constantly look down on LIn and look for any reason to slam the guy.

I'm at the, "let the man play, he'll shut up the haters" mode. Lin just needs to stay healthy and put up 20/8/4/1 and make all the long time haters eat their words and show em for the ignorant racists (Come on, are you kidding me? If you aren't insulting Prok, what's the point of mentioning this? - Rich) that they are. Lin does that, im sure the regular Nets fans will also change their tune on what they can do about the PG position in the future.

Lin came here to be a starter and he came here to show everyone what he can do when given the chance to lead a young team. Even though Kenny wont be running an offense featuring Lin, Lin has compiled a crapton of tricks over the years in his arsenal to score and be effective no matter his usage or role. I'm excited that the team got DLo to run in the backcourt with LIn, DLo's almost a perfect complement as he's more a SG than PG but has enough PG skills to be respectable in that area. Also adding a dedicated PnR big man will let Lin flourish more if they ever use that as a main mode of offensive attack. I cant wait to see what kind of havoc Lin can cause when he's got floor spacers (DLo, Levert, and hopefully a good stretch 4) and a hard screen setter. When defenses start collapsing to stop the PnR and the kickout happens, thats when the REAL fun begins.

Anyway in regards to Reddick, why pay top dollar for a old sniper mercenary when you can just develop your own. You've gushed over Joe Harris and his shooting, SKil can be a brutally efficient sniper as well. Might as well try to develop these guys to play that role instead.

Alot cheaper too thus retaining flexibility and wins dont matter.

[Prokorov]

Prok is definitely not a fan of Lin, calling him a bench scrub and overpaid at his signing. Sucks that Lin was the best the Nets can come up with, but Lin will do his part in working hard and showing he's more than deserving of the chance the Nets gave him in starting.

Personally i'm too tired and lazy to try to argue with people who constantly look down on LIn and look for any reason to slam the guy.

I'm at the, "let the man play, he'll shut up the haters" mode. Lin just needs to stay healthy and put up 20/8/4/1 and make all the long time haters eat their words and show em for the ignorant racists that they are. Lin does that, im sure the regular Nets fans will also change their tune on what they can do about the PG position in the future.

Lin came here to be a starter and he came here to show everyone what he can do when given the chance to lead a young team. Even though Kenny wont be running an offense featuring Lin, Lin has compiled a crapton of tricks over the years in his arsenal to score and be effective no matter his usage or role. I'm excited that the team got DLo to run in the backcourt with LIn, DLo's almost a perfect complement as he's more a SG than PG but has enough PG skills to be respectable in that area. Also adding a dedicated PnR big man will let Lin flourish more if they ever use that as a main mode of offensive attack. I cant wait to see what kind of havoc Lin can cause when he's got floor spacers (DLo, Levert, and hopefully a good stretch 4) and a hard screen setter. When defenses start collapsing to stop the PnR and the kickout happens, thats when the REAL fun begins.

Anyway in regards to Reddick, why pay top dollar for a old sniper mercenary when you can just develop your own. You've gushed over Joe Harris and his shooting, SKil can be a brutally efficient sniper as well. Might as well try to develop these guys to play that role instead.

Alot cheaper too thus retaining flexibility and wins dont matter.

you need to calm the F down calling people racists. and stop playing Victim because people are saying lin isnt a star/top 10 pg/legit starter. those are all VALID opinions of lin supported by the current facts. maybe he posts 20/8/4 and proves us all wrong. that would be great. but dont go around calling people racist for not expecting a guy who in like 6 or 7 years has yet to do any of that somehow be a lock to do that.

I really dont care if Lin stats, if Dlo starts or if either came off the bench. they are both going to play 25-30 minutes either way.

[Vae Victus]

Plenty of Lin's haters are racists, i met a good chunk personally.

Not calling you one of those racist yahoos, but you sure didnt think much of Lin and made your negative opinion known during his signing. However at least you backed up your opinion with statistics and facts and not blind vitriol that is the main point in common among racist Lin haters.

You dont believe in Lin? That's fine, you got your reasons backed by stats and i can respect that. A pity i cant throw in your face how Lin blew your preseason opinions out of water, but at least i have a good leg to stand on in saying that if Lin were healthy he'd have put up excellent stats. Lin's efficiency has been great and if he can keep it while increasing his minutes, then my prediction isnt that farfetched at all. DLo's gonna help ALOT in Lin upping his game, and vice versa.

[Mkdaman1818]

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[LostInACrowd]

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Wow. crazy off season so far.

[KlicKlac]

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When I refreshed the page, I didn't expect this. WOW.

[Prokorov]

Plenty of Lin's haters are racists, i met a good chunk personally.

Not calling you one of those racist yahoos, but you sure didnt think much of Lin and made your negative opinion known during his signing. However at least you backed up your opinion with statistics and facts and not blind vitriol that is the main point in common among racist Lin haters.

My bad, i thought you were calling posters here racist without even knowing them.

You dont believe in Lin? That's fine, you got your reasons backed by stats and i can respect that. A pity i cant throw in your face how Lin blew your preseason opinions out of water, but at least i have a good leg to stand on in saying that if Lin were healthy he'd have put up excellent stats. Lin's efficiency has been great and if he can keep it while increasing his minutes, then my prediction isnt that farfetched at all. DLo's gonna help ALOT in Lin upping his game, and vice versa.

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Also... ive admitted more then once that I was off on Lin. and i dont think good stats are out of the question. i thought he might post something like 18/7 last year and if healthy he may have.

all that said... i just dont get the sentiment that someone is a hater if they dont think lin is a legit starting point gaurd or all-star/top calibur point gaurd when he is yet to prove it even once over an 82 game season. I also dont think it is an insult to suggest Lin come off the bench.

if lin posts 20/8/4 on similar efficieny to last year no one will question him as a legit starter in the top half aong point gaurds if not higher. but he has to do it before you can call be haters for doubting it

[Prokorov]

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Glad OKC got george... those fans deserve something good like that. also like that he is out of the conference and that all my co workers will be pissed off

[Mkdaman1818]

lol I love that Boston missed out on butler and George... hoping Hayward stays in the west also.

[Prokorov]

lol I love that Boston missed out on butler and George... hoping Hayward stays in the west also.

i think he ends up in miami

[624]

Doesn't that help our Indy second round pick next year?

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[Prokorov]

Doesn't that help our Indy second round pick next year?

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assuming they miss the playoffs... yes

[Mkdaman1818]

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[Paradise]

We're getting the Pacers pick more than likely.


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[Keith Van Horn]

I'm fine with KCP.

2 way player, great defender, can play that wing role, should flourish with our motion high volume shooting offense.