Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

Papi_swav · Post #421 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:04 pm

No way we're trading Claxton unless we get a offer we can't refuse. Dude is a top5 defender in this league, can guard the perimeter and the paint, those guys don't just grow on trees. He needs to get stronger, add a little mid range jumper and improve on free throws. I think I remember them saying he shot 3s in college ball so the potential is there. And we should definitely offer him whatever the market is next year when he becomes a FA, he's just coming out his rookie deal so it won't be no crazy max like 30M or more which is fine. Lock him up for the 4 years at 22M or whatever those contracts are after the rookie deal, he's earned it.

CamJ I'm fine with giving him the 20M now or signing and trading him. If we give him the 20M per deal then we can still trade him later down the line, he's a 3-4 that can shoot and has size, that has value. If we're thinking of signing and trading him then we just need to take the best offer available.

Tha King · Post #422 » by **Tha King** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:06 pm

Papi_swav wrote:No way we're trading Claxton unless we get a offer we can't refuse. Dude is a top5 defender in this league, can guard the perimeter and the paint, those guys don't just grow on trees. He needs to get stronger, add a little mid range jumper and improve on free throws. I think I remember them saying he shot 3s in college ball so the potential is there. And we should definitely offer him whatever the market is next year when he becomes a FA, he's just coming out his rookie deal so it won't be no crazy max like 30M or more which is fine. Lock him up for the 4 years at 22M or whatever those contracts are after the rookie deal, he's earned it.

CamJ I'm fine with giving him the 20M now or signing and trading him. If we give him the 20M per deal then we can still trade him later down the line, he's a 3-4 that can shoot and has size, that has value. If we're thinking of signing and trading him then we just need to take the best offer available.

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Riconet · Post #423 » by **Riconet** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:44 pm

Clax and Cam J are interesting contract situations IMHO. Both are good players and quality starters that you'd like on your team, but neither is a true star that you can build around, and you can only have so many $18MM-$23MM guys before you find yourself too cap-crunched to make a move for the next true star that becomes available.

I'd guess that the Nets will re-sign both to avoid losing the assets, but it's not a slam dunk, especially if they receive good outside offers.

Papi_swav · Post #424 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:09 am

hey guys, hear me out hear me out... Russell Westbrook ! lol look, we suck on offense, he might be a guy to help us in that area and his defense was really good in that playoff series. We all know his motor and energy is on 1000 and he might be able to rub some of that off on the other guys. We also need a ball handler and point guard and he's a guy that can get 7-10 assist a night and help get Claxton easy looks as well as our 3 and D guys which we have an abundance of.

I know I know it's Westbrick and he's kinda not that good but he does have some qualities we need and can use. He'll also help on rebounds which we do need help with. Only thing I don't like is that he can't shoot and him with Claxton on the floor together might suck but it can also work out with the way he attacks the basket aggressively. I'm thinking a 2 year deal for 30M with a team option next season might get it done. Just me here thinking of creative ways lol

Marvin Martian · Post #425 » by **Marvin Martian** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:34 am

Papi_swav wrote:No way we're trading Claxton unless we get a offer we can't refuse. Dude is a top5 defender in this league, can guard the perimeter and the paint, those guys don't just grow on trees. He needs to get stronger, add a little mid range jumper and improve on free throws. I think I remember them saying he shot 3s in college ball so the potential is there. And we should definitely offer him whatever the market is next year when he becomes a FA, he's just coming out his rookie deal so it won't be no crazy max like 30M or more which is fine. Lock him up for the 4 years at 22M or whatever those contracts are after the rookie deal, he's earned it.

CamJ I'm fine with giving him the 20M now or signing and trading him. If we give him the 20M per deal then we can still trade him later down the line, he's a 3-4 that can shoot and has size, that has value. If we're thinking of signing and trading him then we just need to take the best offer available.

I highly doubt this happens. These are not trivial improvements. I cannot remember a big man so bad from the ft line that developed a reliable jumper.

Might as well ask the same thing from Ben Simmons

NetsJets · Post #426 » by **NetsJets** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:37 am

Claxton can guard 1-5. JJJ, Jarrett Allen, Gorbert, can’t do that. He’s apart of this teams long term future and unless we’re getting Embiid in return he’s untouchable imo.

MrDollarBills · Post #427 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:43 am

NetsJets wrote:Claxton can guard 1-5. JJJ, Jarrett Allen, Gorbert, can’t do that. He’s apart of this teams long term future and unless we’re getting Embiid in return he’s untouchable imo.

Yep. You need elite defensive talent.

sashaturiaf · Post #428 » by **sashaturiaf** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:49 am

Papi_swav wrote:hey guys, hear me out hear me out... Russell Westbrook ! lol look, we suck on offense, he might be a guy to help us in that area and his defense was really good in that playoff series. We all know his motor and energy is on 1000 and he might be able to rub some of that off on the other guys. We also need a ball handler and point guard and he's a guy that can get 7-10 assist a night and help get Claxton easy looks as well as our 3 and D guys which we have an abundance of.

I know I know it's Westbrick and he's kinda not that good but he does have some qualities we need and can use. He'll also help on rebounds which we do need help with. Only thing I don't like is that he can't shoot and him with Claxton on the floor together might suck but it can also work out with the way he attacks the basket aggressively. I'm thinking a 2 year deal for 30M with a team option next season might get it done. Just me here thinking of creative ways lol

I'm in on Westbrook, we don't have our pick next season anyway so we might as well go for as many wins as we can get.

Russ for the MLE, sign me up. Clax and DFS are going to be eating once again with him here, PG spoke highly of Russ' leadership style, he's going to bring the best out of our army of role players

Marvin Martian · Post #429 » by **Marvin Martian** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:46 am

Russ is a chucker. You guys rail on Dinwiddle so much for his BBIQ, and yet want a player that is worse than him

Riconet · Post #430 » by **Riconet** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:28 pm

I could live with Westbrook but only on a cheapo contract. I love his intensity and toughness, both of which the Nets really need. OTOH, he's too ball-dominant, his offensive game is primitive and he doesn't solve their main problem, which is lack of size.

MrDollarBills · Post #431 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:59 pm

I'm not interested in Russ. Nothing against him, but our PG needs to be able shoot at the bare minimum.

Stone · Post #432 » by **Stone** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:48 pm

I see Claxton as a Rodman like player. We may not be able to build around him but we can't under-estimate the value he brings. Brides may not be Jordan, but he could be a Pippen. We defiantly need to make some very statigic moves and in all honesty get very very lucky to really be able to compete for a title anytime soon.

Long story short...we are a few fries short of a happy meal.

3pt_chucker · Post #433 » by **3pt_chucker** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:58 pm

Riconet wrote:I could live with Westbrook but only on a cheapo contract. I love his intensity and toughness, both of which the Nets really need. OTOH, he's too ball-dominant, his offensive game is primitive and he doesn't solve their main problem, which is lack of size.

I'd def take Westbrook on a cheap contract. Miles better than Dinwiddie and can bring the fire, drive and nasty thjis roster has been lacking for years.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #434 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:18 pm

Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Keith Van Horn · Post #435 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:30 pm

Westbrook would've been the guy to bring in for this season. I think moving forward, pass.

Keith Van Horn · Post #436 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:33 pm

I think we need to look at the guards that are out there and consider bringing one of them in -- Dame, FVV, Trae Young -- bc these are the guys that will take pressure off Bridges and give him more freedom (and allow his defense to shine a bit more since he's not going nuclear on offense each possession... remember, defense was his bread and butter).

After that, we start looking at the forward market. Do we sign CJ and keep, do we S&T him and get Jaylen Brown, Siakam, someone like that?

Riconet · Post #437 » by **Riconet** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:16 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

MrDollarBills · Post #438 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:30 pm

Stone wrote:I see Claxton as a Rodman like player. We may not be able to build around him but we can't under-estimate the value he brings. Brides may not be Jordan, but he could be a Pippen. We defiantly need to make some very statigic moves and in all honesty get very very lucky to really be able to compete for a title anytime soon.

Long story short...we are a few fries short of a happy meal.

That ship has sailed. The team will tread water until they can completely tank.

MrDollarBills · Post #439 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:31 pm

Riconet wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Hello Brooklyn · Post #440 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Riconet wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Yeah ok. As if Simmons being hurt last year means he can never play again.

He will come back strong next year. We saw plenty of flashes next season.

Either way we are stuck with his contract and have to make it work.