Trade Targets

[Jersey Generals]

Like I mentioned in the T&T thread, a straight up swap isn't something I see the Nets doing. I don't value Humphries very highly, but his eventual expiring is worth more to the Nets than many people (including on this board) realize. It's too close of a lateral move (without the contracts to think about) as it is that with the contract situation, to do it without anything else coming back is pretty much a no go.

[jerseyjac]

Mike Brown "coached" his team to the Finals. Is he a good coach?

He isn't bad, he just had bad luck in the Lakers. He is average compare to the other coaches in the NBA

Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.25"
Height w/ shoes: 6' 8.25"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

Two years ago, he said he was 6'9 and he's been listed at 6'10" since.

But guess what? They don't do measurements again after you're drafted so that whole 6'10" is just made up.

He's not 6'10"

LOL you realize players grow right? Or is it when you're height is listed that will be his permanent height?

You also do realize if you'r taking into consideration a player w/o shoes then you have to subtract 1 inches for every player thus concluding he is still average height for his position

Uhhh...Blatche's talent was never questioned. It was whether he could be used as a #2 option and a starter that was questioned.

Avery didn't do anything to Blatche. Hence, the reason why Blatche still makes dumb plays sometimes but he can be yanked at anytime, since we're not looking for him to get 30+ mpg or being a first option on offense.

If you really believe Avery has nothing to do with Blatche?? You gotta take off that bias goggles you have on.

The guy is shooting 34% from the field this year and 37% from the field last year.

Go back to his Bulls days and his highest FG% was 48.3%.

A PF/Cs FG% should be at 50% or higher to at least be considered respectable.

He never played with a post scorer next to him. He was always the biggest scoring threat in the post and we all know he can't handle that position

K-Mart during his Nets career never average above .500% yet he was the second best player in a 2 time eastern conference champion team.

And let me just inform of you something...notice how one by one, you're picking fights with people and acting like you're superior to everyone else regarding this subject matter.

That's never a good thing especially if you don't let up. No one is supporting you on this issue.

It's much better to just shut up about it now, and say "I told you so" if he ends up going somewhere and playing extremely well, rather than pushing for something that everyone is basically saying is a bad idea and belittling them at the same time.

Just cool your jets dude before JJ and Rich get into it.

Do you think i'm some kind of sheep?

I know basketball. I'm not gonna let up just because everyone is against me. Half of these people don't even know what they are talking about. (like you no offense) I'm here to talk about basketball because I like it. Also, I know like 2 Nets fans because our fan base is so poor. I'm not here to find BFFL. All of you guys have been defending VC4Prz when hasn't given any support towards his arguments.(until his last post) Do you realize how ridiculous you all look if an objective person is looking at this in a third person point of view?

Honestly, you guys are just defending him because he has been here. You can't look at one thing objectively with no bias whatsoever.

What will JJ and RIch do?? This forum is about debating. If you're here looking for friends online I suggest using Facebook.

Just don't make it personal and you'll be fine...

[Keith Van Horn]

Any interest in a Humphries for Bargnani swap? Or is even dealing Humphries for Bargnani at this point a Michael Scott No God No worthy suggestion

I think that might be something that could shake up both teams a little bit.

Bargs could be a 4th option scoring with the starters and maybe a first option playing with the bench guys.

Hump could be the first big man off the bench for Toronto, allowing Davis and Valaciunis to get more looks.

Just something to shake up the offense on this Nets team is needed. I don't know if Bargs is the true answer, but it could be worth it. I can see him having a small renaissance like Blatche is having.

[Keith Van Horn]

What about bringing in Ben Gordon or Marcus thorton. We need some shooting, playmaking, and scoring off the bench. They should come pretty cheap.

What we need is a quality 6th man.

A guy like James Harden was. Kevin Martin. JR Smith. Jason Terry. Vince Carter. Jamal Crawford.

Marshon Brooks/Keith Bogans/Jerry Stackhouse isn't the answer.

This 6th man SG/SF role is becoming huge in today's game.

Are there any good free agents worth giving shot to? Can Michael Redd still produce? Gilbert Arenas?

I want to see Hump turn into something more valuable... like I said before, maybe a Hump for Bargs could work, maybe not...

BUT the more I think about this stinky offense, the more I think about our need for a quality shooter off the bench like the guys I mentioned above.

Any other thoughts or names out there? This is probably the biggest need for this team right now.

[N Ireland Nets]

Tell you what, I'd think long and hard about making a big move for Eric Gordon & taking a chance with his knee.

We don't have great assets so a risk would need to be made. It would mean a change to being a small ball team or you make Gordon or Johnson your 6th man.

But I like the look of:

Williams
Gordon
JJ
Wallace
Lopez

It gives us a 2nd under 25 top tier talent (along with Lopez) to be with us long term.

Another option could be Danny Granger where we again could play small.

Williams
Johnson
Granger
Wallace
Lopez

Just trying to work out other possible players we could target.

[Keith Van Horn]

Tell you what, I'd think long and hard about making a big move for Eric Gordon & taking a chance with his knee.

We don't have great assets so a risk would need to be made. It would mean a change to being a small ball team or you make Gordon or Johnson your 6th man.

But I like the look of:

Williams
Gordon
JJ
Wallace
Lopez

It gives us a 2nd under 25 top tier talent (along with Lopez) to be with us long term.

Another option could be Danny Granger where we again could play small.

Williams
Johnson
Granger
Wallace
Lopez

Just trying to work out other possible players we could target.

Don't you think the asking price would be too high for these guys?

[vincecarter4pres]

What about bringing in Ben Gordon or Marcus thorton. We need some shooting, playmaking, and scoring off the bench. They should come pretty cheap.

That was the guy! Ben Gordon was the player I was thinking of how no one here has mentioned him in a couple years.

Not sure how I feel about the move, but it could have promise.

[KingzAndQueenz]

in all seriousness, i think ilyasova would be a good fit on the nets. maybe a package of humphries + others for him. he can shoot the 3 ball, rebound well, and is a smart player

[N Ireland Nets]

Tell you what, I'd think long and hard about making a big move for Eric Gordon & taking a chance with his knee.

We don't have great assets so a risk would need to be made. It would mean a change to being a small ball team or you make Gordon or Johnson your 6th man.

But I like the look of:

Williams
Gordon
JJ
Wallace
Lopez

It gives us a 2nd under 25 top tier talent (along with Lopez) to be with us long term.

Another option could be Danny Granger where we again could play small.

Williams
Johnson
Granger
Wallace
Lopez

Just trying to work out other possible players we could target.

Don't you think the asking price would be too high for these guys?

Gordon's value is definitely dropping due to injuries and not wanting to be New Orleans while Granger is rumoured to be surplus to requirements in Pacer land.

I'm interested in the possible Calderon trade Jersey posted because if I read it right it would take us below the lux tax and enable sign and trades.

I was listening to a pod cast today between a few basketball writers with Bucher involved where he explained that Howard still has eyes for Brooklyn and believes the Lakers would consider walking away for, him in a big sign & trade or the more unlikely trade at the deadline.

If we got below the lux tax it really would be game on for a big sign & trade signing.

[Dr Positivity]

Any interest in a Humphries for Bargnani swap? Or is even dealing Humphries for Bargnani at this point a Michael Scott No God No worthy suggestion

I think that might be something that could shake up both teams a little bit.

Bargs could be a 4th option scoring with the starters and maybe a first option playing with the bench guys.

Hump could be the first big man off the bench for Toronto, allowing Davis and Valaciunis to get more looks.

Just something to shake up the offense on this Nets team is needed. I don't know if Bargs is the true answer, but it could be worth it. I can see him having a small renaissance like Blatche is having.

Here's another trade involving Hump and Bargnani I thought of:

Washington gets Bargnani for Okafor

Toronto gets Humphries for Bargnani

Brooklyn gets Okafor for Humphries

Bargnani makes sense for Washington. They need floor spacing, a go to guy with Wall out (potentially for a long time, wouldn't surprise me if microfracture is coming for him) and Grunfield seems like a yay volume scorer type of GM. Toronto just needs to dump Bargnani and they get back a former popular player who's an expiring next season. Okafor for Hump for you guys is close to a financially neutral deal (Okafor makes a little more but is 13-14 expiring). He's a nice fit playing PF beside Lopez and taking defensive responsibilities and is a good character guy

[vincecarter4pres]

Okafor?

Don't like it.

[N Ireland Nets]

I'm interested in bringing in Calderon to take us below the tax threshold to enable sign & trades in the summer.

Would allow Howard to still be an option for Brooklyn if it doesn't pan out in LA. LA would send him East if he wanted to leave LA.

It really would be a huge move but a simple Hump for Calderon trade should get us below lux tax which could be a huge asset.

Could even go after Josh Smith if he was to hit free agency.

With the likes of Atlanta, Dallas and Houston targeting Howard in the summer, it would give Howard the leverage to force a trade through to Brooklyn so long as we had the ability to sign and trade for home it.

He just has to tell the Laker management that if he isn't signed and traded to Brooklyn he will sign with Dallas or Houston, then boom, sorted.

So it's as easy as that haha

[NyCeEvO]

The main reason why all D12 talks are still of the most remote possibility is because there are few ways in which we can get under the tax threshold, unless BK believes it's time to blow it up.

Even if blowing it up is the right thing to do, BK doesn't have the gonads to do something like that and just say "screw it, we messed up by getting all of these guys for year 1, let's try to everything to get D12".

I'd love for BK to do it, I just think there's a 95% chance we hear "The guys need more time to jell" even if there is a legit reason/need to make a drastic change via trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

Remember, you have to be under the tax threshold after the S&T is completed, not just before.

[NyCeEvO]

Remember, you have to be under the tax threshold after the S&T is completed, not just before.

Yeah, that basically confirms it. The only way that would happen is if the season goes horrifically bad and we just go on a firesale to get rid of the contracts we have, which is not happening.

[Jersey Generals]

Not really. By getting rid of Humphries for a pure expiring, as the Calderon trade suggests, the Nets would be just at the threshold. And in any sign-and-trade, Brook would have to be going out. If you add in Brooks and Teletovic into the deal as well, depending on the contract, it would be close and nearly do-able. It's possible, unlikely, but possible.

[N Ireland Nets]

Not really. By getting rid of Humphries for a pure expiring, as the Calderon trade suggests, the Nets would be just at the threshold. And in any sign-and-trade, Brook would have to be going out. If you add in Brooks and Teletovic into the deal as well, depending on the contract, it would be close and nearly do-able. It's possible, unlikely, but possible.

Thanks for working that out

[N Ireland Nets]

Watched Sanders again tonight versus Boston and he looks a fantastic player every time I see him.

I would love to go get him to pair with Brook Lopez long term.

Hump, Brooks, Taylor & 2 1sts

For IIyasova, Gooden & Sanders.

He's like a young Ibaka

[NyCeEvO]

Watched Sanders again tonight versus Boston and he looks a fantastic player every time I see him.

I would love to go get him to pair with Brook Lopez long term.

Hump, Brooks, Taylor & 2 1sts

For IIyasova, Gooden & Sanders.

He's like a young Ibaka

Sanders is their prized possession. They're not going to give him up easy especially with his great contract.

On top of that, I really doubt that MIL would trade away 3 F and get even smaller with Brooks and Taylor.

[N Ireland Nets]

Watched Sanders again tonight versus Boston and he looks a fantastic player every time I see him.

I would love to go get him to pair with Brook Lopez long term.

Hump, Brooks, Taylor & 2 1sts

For IIyasova, Gooden & Sanders.

He's like a young Ibaka

Sanders is their prized possession. They're not going to give him up easy especially with his great contract.

On top of that, I really doubt that MIL would trade away 3 F and get even smaller with Brooks and Taylor.

I don't see that as a problem. As currently constructed the Bucks have loads of front court players and only a handful of guards