Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[MrDollarBills]

good luck making the playoffs if you wait til the deadline when you have ZERO LEVERAGE.

[Luca Brasi]

Your GM is killing me here. I was really hoping with your three day break that we would hear something more on this trade, but it's nothing but crickets. I still have hope that something happens before the deadline, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

The Nets/Thunder/Hornets trade makes sense for all parties.

[F3LON]

Your GM is killing me here. I was really hoping with your three day break that we would hear something more on this trade, but it's nothing but crickets. I still have hope that something happens before the deadline, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

The Nets/Thunder/Hornets trade makes sense for all parties.

Of course its killing you. It's a sht trade for us. We can wait until the deadline if this is the best deal on the table.

OKC needs to give ALOT more to make this trade.

[Luca Brasi]

Your GM is killing me here. I was really hoping with your three day break that we would hear something more on this trade, but it's nothing but crickets. I still have hope that something happens before the deadline, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

The Nets/Thunder/Hornets trade makes sense for all parties.

Of course its killing you. It's a sht trade for us. We can wait until the deadline if this is the best deal on the table.

OKC needs to give ALOT more to make this trade.

Oh, without a doubt, you are giving up the best player and we are getting the best player.

That said, we aren't in salary cap hell like you are. You need relief, we are offering it and we are also taking on by far the biggest risk. We will go into the tax for an injury prone player. And you get cap relief and a strong player in Stephenson.

To be honest, I'm surprised that Charlotte is so hung ho about it, but they apparently love Jeremy Lamb, which is great by me.

I just think it makes sense for all sides. Do we get the best end is the deal? Yeah. But the trade is still a plus for you as well.

[jeff1624]

Your GM is killing me here. I was really hoping with your three day break that we would hear something more on this trade, but it's nothing but crickets. I still have hope that something happens before the deadline, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

The Nets/Thunder/Hornets trade makes sense for all parties.

Of course its killing you. It's a sht trade for us. We can wait until the deadline if this is the best deal on the table.

OKC needs to give ALOT more to make this trade.

Oh, without a doubt, you are giving up the best player and we are getting the best player.

That said, we aren't in salary cap hell like you are. You need relief, we are offering it and we are also taking on by far the biggest risk. We will go into the tax for an injury prone player. And you get cap relief and a strong player in Stephenson.

To be honest, I'm surprised that Charlotte is so hung ho about it, but they apparently love Jeremy Lamb, which is great by me.

I just think it makes sense for all sides. Do we get the best end is the deal? Yeah. But the trade is still a plus for you as well.

Except that beyond paying the luxury tax this season, giving Lopez away does absolutely nothing to relieve us of cap space next year and beyond.

[bondom34]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

[F3LON]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

I doubt that. Your schedule this week is brutal and you need to win at a very high clip just to make the playoffs. You will bite first.

[bondom34]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

I doubt that. Your schedule this week is brutal and you need to win at a very high clip just to make the playoffs. You will bite first.

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

[NyCeEvO]

OKC is only 2 games behind PHX. I'm pretty sure they'll catch them with 42 games left.

The question is how badly do they want to reach the 6th seed or higher.

[F3LON]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

I doubt that. Your schedule this week is brutal and you need to win at a very high clip just to make the playoffs. You will bite first.

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

[bondom34]

I doubt that. Your schedule this week is brutal and you need to win at a very high clip just to make the playoffs. You will bite first.

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

[Luca Brasi]

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

Uhhhh... I'm an OKC fan and I want Lopez. As does all the OKC fans I know.

Look, Lopez is the best player in the deal. No doubt. But there's not a huge market for him apparently because of injury history and his big salary. There's a reason Brooklyn almost took Perk/Lamb. Truth is, Stephenson is the best bet for you guys. You should pull that trigger. It makes sense for all three teams.

Again, OKC gets the biggest reward but they take the biggest risk. And you and Charlotte need relief.

[bondom34]

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

Uhhhh... I'm an OKC fan and I want Lopez. As does all the OKC fans I know.

Look, Lopez is the best player in the deal. No doubt. But there's not a huge market for him apparently because of injury history and his big salary. There's a reason Brooklyn almost took Perk/Lamb. Truth is, Stephenson is the best bet for you guys. You should pull that trigger. It makes sense for all three teams.

Again, OKC gets the biggest reward but they take the biggest risk. And you and Charlotte need relief.

Really? Drop by the OKC board sometime, or any other site I've been on for Thunder fans, not too many people were excited. I was one of the more excited ones, but I'd only like it if it just is for Perk/Lamb/Jerrett. Lopez doesn't defend well and is injured half the season. He's got a huge contract, its not really a "great" trade, but I'd be OK with that.

[Keith Van Horn]

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

[Keith Van Horn]

I really want the original proposed trade to happen of

Brook to OKC
Lamb/Jack to CHA
Stephenson/Perk to BKN

just would love to get another PG in the deal somewhere, especially Reggie, since we're losing Jack potentially

[F3LON]

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

Trade value has nothing to do with straight production, It has to do with production relative to salary, flexibility and healthy. Mozgov makes less then 5 mil per year to get 9/8. Lopez makes 16 mil per to get 16/6 and has a bad foot and back. Mozgov has 2 years left with the 2nd year being a team option. Lopez has 2 years left with the 2nd year being a player option. If Mozgov plays well after you trade for him you pick up his option at a very good value. If Lopez plays well after you trade for him he can opt out and explore FA. If both players bomb you can get out of Mozgov's contract while Lopez will just opt in. So obviously Lopez's value sucks.

And if you are going to reference the two draft picks dont forget to mention that they are heavily protected.

The Memphis pick is protected:
- 1-5 and 15-30 for 2015 and 2016.
- 1-5 for 2017 and 2018,
- Unprotected in 2019.

The OKC pick has even heavier protection.
- 1-18 in 2015
- 1-15 in 2016 and 2017
- If not exercised by 2017 it turns into 2nd round picks in 2018 and 2019

So the Memphis pick isnt likely to be used for 2 years and the OKC isnt likely to be a 1st round pick at all.

If BK made this trade he would be crucified.

[F3LON]

I really want the original proposed trade to happen of

Brook to OKC
Lamb/Jack to CHA
Stephenson/Perk to BKN

just would love to get another PG in the deal somewhere, especially Reggie, since we're losing Jack potentially

Reggie does nothing for us. He is gone next year if we got him since we arent going to spend 2016 money on a league average PG looking to cash in.

[Keith Van Horn]

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

Trade value has nothing to do with straight production, It has to do with production relative to salary, flexibility and healthy. Mozgov makes less then 5 mil per year to get 9/8. Lopez makes 16 mil per to get 16/6 and has a bad foot and back. Mozgov has 2 years left with the 2nd year being a team option. Lopez has 2 years left with the 2nd year being a player option. If Mozgov plays well after you trade for him you pick up his option at a very good value. If Lopez plays well after you trade for him he can opt out and explore FA. If both players bomb you can get out of Mozgov's contract while Lopez will just opt in. So obviously Lopez's value sucks.

And if you are going to reference the two draft picks dont forget to mention that they are heavily protected.

The Memphis pick is protected:
- 1-5 and 15-30 for 2015 and 2016.
- 1-5 for 2017 and 2018,
- Unprotected in 2019.

The OKC pick has even heavier protection.
- 1-18 in 2015
- 1-15 in 2016 and 2017
- If not exercised by 2017 it turns into 2nd round picks in 2018 and 2019

So the Memphis pick isnt likely to be used for 2 years and the OKC isnt likely to be a 1st round pick at all.

If BK made this trade he would be crucified.

True, I understand those things.

But if OKC is trying to win now, which they are b/c they want to keep Durant there long term, then they're going to make a move that makes them much better NOW. Having Lopez makes them a lot better b/c he would fit in perfectly there and excel at the role they're going to expect out of him. He's better offensively than Adams and Collison, and he would be an ideal center with Ibaka in the lineup.

If they're going to worry about flexibility too, why would they move Perk? He's a goner after this year, so that doesn't factor in here. If they want to go for a big man in FA or the draft then they wouldn't be wanting to move Perk.

And healthy-wise, it's a gamble you take with all players. I know Brook is highlighted b/c of his history... but Brook has been relatively OK this year compared to year's past. That's part of the risk -- especially with all big men and their feet.

With the picks, even if they're protected, I'm sure most of us would be dying to get a first rounder. Our latest draft pick bloomer was found at pick 22. So If we could get one or two picks that would be awesome.... protected or not. And factoring in our situation with draft picks I'm sure we would take even those if we could get them.

[Keith Van Horn]

I really want the original proposed trade to happen of

Brook to OKC
Lamb/Jack to CHA
Stephenson/Perk to BKN

just would love to get another PG in the deal somewhere, especially Reggie, since we're losing Jack potentially

Reggie does nothing for us. He is gone next year if we got him since we arent going to spend 2016 money on a league average PG looking to cash in.

If we move Jack and get Reggie, I hope to god King understands he needs to resign Reggie. Even if it means cutting into 2016 money.

With Lopez gone, JJ becoming an expiring this summer, and maybe even with the chance to move Deron this summer or next season, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to give him a contract that goes through 2016. But everything within reason... if King thinks Jackson will demand big money, then I understand. But I can't see Jackson getting more than 8 million a year at most.

[Prokorov]

Your GM is killing me here. I was really hoping with your three day break that we would hear something more on this trade, but it's nothing but crickets. I still have hope that something happens before the deadline, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

The Nets/Thunder/Hornets trade makes sense for all parties.

thunder dont want to include PJ3 and the nets wont take just Perkins/Lamb. Also the hornets thing is dead until the FO can agree on lance one way or another.

I cant see the OKC thing happening. it just doenst make sense for you guys to include more, and we wont do it without more.

i think if a deal happens, it happens with miami.

im not thrilled with that, but i think king will win in not wanting lance.