Round 1, Game 2 EC Playoffs - Brooklyn(0) @ Boston(1)

[Prokorov]

I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

agreed.

What sucks is that if we're down 0-3 by then, it would be very unfair to Ben to try to right the ship the 3 stooges clearly sunk

it isnt on ben to right the ship regardless. if he is ready to play he should play. whatever impact he makes is what it is.

[Evalar]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I would agree if he was weeks away but to say he can play game 4 but not game 3 is ridiculous. What is a couple of days going to change? It has come to the point that he's either ready or he's not if he can't play fair enough but we need him for the reasons you stated if his fitness is at risk by playing a day or so earlier then he it doesn't seem like he's fit to play at all.

[Prokorov]

I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I would agree if he was weeks away but to say he can play game 4 but not game 3 is ridiculous. What is a couple of days going to change? It has come to the point that he's either ready or he's not if he can't play fair enough but we need him for the reasons you stated if his fitness is at risk by playing a day or so earlier then he it doesn't seem like he's fit to play at all.

They have a process. he is 26. there is absolutely no reason to be short sighted.

I'm sure the warriors would love to go back and hold KD out until game 6 instead of game 5.

you dont bring guys back early. you dont rush the process. especially a young player.

if game 7 was tomorrow and he need 2 days you sit him out for game 7.

there is absolutely nothing on court that should influence his timeline.

[CalamityX12]

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

agreed.

What sucks is that if we're down 0-3 by then, it would be very unfair to Ben to try to right the ship the 3 stooges clearly sunk

it isnt on ben to right the ship regardless. if he is ready to play he should play. whatever impact he makes is what it is.

right but that's not what the media nor online critics are going to portray it as.

[Prokorov]

agreed.

What sucks is that if we're down 0-3 by then, it would be very unfair to Ben to try to right the ship the 3 stooges clearly sunk

it isnt on ben to right the ship regardless. if he is ready to play he should play. whatever impact he makes is what it is.

right but that's not what the media nor online critics are going to portray it as.

those people are trolling idiots. we cant control or worry about that. they have done it to kd and kyrie all year. ben will need to get used to it too

[CalamityX12]

Its mind boggling that we aren't using Blake or LMA for anything... any situations....

Drummond & Claxton gotta make their FTs

Dragic needs to be more consistent from 3 or don't use him to spot up. Allow him to penetrate and give up an easy lob to a rolling guy.

How did Ky even have 1 attempt at 3... idk....

[Prokorov]

Its mind boggling that we aren't using Blake or LMA for anything... any situations....

Drummond & Claxton gotta make their FTs

Dragic needs to be more consistent from 3 or don't use him to spot up. Allow him to penetrate and give up an easy lob to a rolling guy.

How did Ky even have 1 attempt at 3... idk....

we can debate blake and LMA but at the end of the day they are just watching KD get trapped just like Claxton and drummond are.

why dragic/kyrie/curry are exclusively running the offense is a huge mystery

[Paradise]

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I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I think it’s more of a chemistry issue now than health issue.

At this point, I don’t care. Let him go out there and literally destroy their game plan with Ben being the facilitator and KD setting screens for HIM.

[Evalar]

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I would agree if he was weeks away but to say he can play game 4 but not game 3 is ridiculous. What is a couple of days going to change? It has come to the point that he's either ready or he's not if he can't play fair enough but we need him for the reasons you stated if his fitness is at risk by playing a day or so earlier then he it doesn't seem like he's fit to play at all.

They have a process. he is 26. there is absolutely no reason to be short sighted.

I'm sure the warriors would love to go back and hold KD out until game 6 instead of game 5.

you dont bring guys back early. you dont rush the process. especially a young player.

if game 7 was tomorrow and he need 2 days you sit him out for game 7.

there is absolutely nothing on court that should influence his timeline.

This all sounds wonderful if he was being rushed back weeks before he was ready but two days earlier if he isn't capable of that then he isn't fit and shouldn't play at all which I wouldn't have a problem with. With the way things are going for us in this series it might be the best thing for him. Game 4 could be do or die and to throw him in with no playing time with the team knowing the media will pick apart every pass I would rather leave him out all together. If Ben plays Game 4 and as you state nothing should influence his timeline then we'd better pray that the medical staff haven't miscalculated and Ben really needed three days.

[Prokorov]

I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I think it’s more of a chemistry issue now than health issue.

At this point, I don’t care. Let him go out there and literally destroy their game plan with Ben being the facilitator and KD setting screens for HIM.

Chemistry is irrelevant. we dont run a team base system. and he is one of the easiest players to integrate since he defends and passes.

[Prokorov]

I would agree if he was weeks away but to say he can play game 4 but not game 3 is ridiculous. What is a couple of days going to change? It has come to the point that he's either ready or he's not if he can't play fair enough but we need him for the reasons you stated if his fitness is at risk by playing a day or so earlier then he it doesn't seem like he's fit to play at all.

They have a process. he is 26. there is absolutely no reason to be short sighted.

I'm sure the warriors would love to go back and hold KD out until game 6 instead of game 5.

you dont bring guys back early. you dont rush the process. especially a young player.

if game 7 was tomorrow and he need 2 days you sit him out for game 7.

there is absolutely nothing on court that should influence his timeline.

This all sounds wonderful if he was being rushed back weeks before he was ready but two days earlier if he isn't capable of that then he isn't fit and shouldn't play at all which I wouldn't have a problem with. With the way things are going for us in this series it might be the best thing for him. Game 4 could be do or die and to throw him in with no playing time with the team knowing the media will pick apart every pass I would rather leave him out all together. If Ben plays Game 4 and as you state nothing should influence his timeline then we'd better pray that the medical staff haven't miscalculated and Ben really needed three days.

'make a plan, stick to it. nets are doing that and its smart.

the series should not impact it. nor should media narratives or scrutiny. when he is ready and cleared your hurdles he can play. that lines up for game 4. no need to go before that

[MrDollarBills]

Its mind boggling that we aren't using Blake or LMA for anything... any situations....

Drummond & Claxton gotta make their FTs

Dragic needs to be more consistent from 3 or don't use him to spot up. Allow him to penetrate and give up an easy lob to a rolling guy.

How did Ky even have 1 attempt at 3... idk....

we can debate blake and LMA but at the end of the day they are just watching KD get trapped just like Claxton and drummond are.

why dragic/kyrie/curry are exclusively running the offense is a huge mystery

I'd rather have Dragic and Kyrie initiate than Durant.

[Evalar]

They have a process. he is 26. there is absolutely no reason to be short sighted.

I'm sure the warriors would love to go back and hold KD out until game 6 instead of game 5.

you dont bring guys back early. you dont rush the process. especially a young player.

if game 7 was tomorrow and he need 2 days you sit him out for game 7.

there is absolutely nothing on court that should influence his timeline.

This all sounds wonderful if he was being rushed back weeks before he was ready but two days earlier if he isn't capable of that then he isn't fit and shouldn't play at all which I wouldn't have a problem with. With the way things are going for us in this series it might be the best thing for him. Game 4 could be do or die and to throw him in with no playing time with the team knowing the media will pick apart every pass I would rather leave him out all together. If Ben plays Game 4 and as you state nothing should influence his timeline then we'd better pray that the medical staff haven't miscalculated and Ben really needed three days.

'make a plan, stick to it. nets are doing that and its smart.

the series should not impact it. nor should media narratives or scrutiny. when he is ready and cleared your hurdles he can play. that lines up for game 4. no need to go before that

In that case he shouldn't play at all because lining up isn't precise enough of a measure to rely on. If a couple of days makes all the difference then you cannot take the chance that Ben's timeline is accurate to the day. I would rather not risk it and sit him because I don't believe whatever is keeping him out of game 3 can be corrected fully for game 4 with such little time in between let him have a fresh start next season.

[Prokorov]

This all sounds wonderful if he was being rushed back weeks before he was ready but two days earlier if he isn't capable of that then he isn't fit and shouldn't play at all which I wouldn't have a problem with. With the way things are going for us in this series it might be the best thing for him. Game 4 could be do or die and to throw him in with no playing time with the team knowing the media will pick apart every pass I would rather leave him out all together. If Ben plays Game 4 and as you state nothing should influence his timeline then we'd better pray that the medical staff haven't miscalculated and Ben really needed three days.

'make a plan, stick to it. nets are doing that and its smart.

the series should not impact it. nor should media narratives or scrutiny. when he is ready and cleared your hurdles he can play. that lines up for game 4. no need to go before that

In that case he shouldn't play at all because lining up isn't precise enough of a measure to rely on. If a couple of days makes all the difference then you cannot take the chance that Ben's timeline is accurate to the day. I would rather not risk it and sit him because I don't believe whatever is keeping him out of game 3 can be corrected fully for game 4 with such little time in between let him have a fresh start next season.

no, you play him on the date that your process dictates. game 3 and game 4 dont matter. his timeline is outside the scope of this series. He will be cleared and ready for the 25th. that happens to be game 4. he is not cleared prior, so he wont play prior. holding him out beyond the 25th makes no sense. that is the date he is cleared 4.

their risk tolerance is clearly on the conservative end, so its doubtful it is too soon. either way, their process has risk tolerance built in that the team and simmons both seem ok with.

[GTR11]

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Story of KD iso game. Motion offense won't work simply because they jump play high with anticipation. Have to run Jerry's flex offense with KD starting from restricted line to get that elbow shot ( youtube for who don't know ). If they jumping that play, they allowing lay up or open 3. Their switching won't be a factor.

KD just can't pass or make a play. He's a off ball scorer. Running iso is death. Replace KD for LBJ in those plays, you get either lay up or wide open 3. Dude can't just can't create plays period.

This is what actually Ben good at. Get in the paint for a dunk or pass for open shooter. It'll let Kyrie and KD become their natural selves.

Harden actually could've been game changer if, well who cares now.

[TheNetsFan]

Does Kevin Durant need a coach to hold his hand to figure out how to score in this league?

There is nothing KD can do to score in those scenarios. hard double team by 2 elite defenders with 3 help defenders waiting and the team willing to take fouls to be physical...

no, scoring is not the issue. that should not be the objective and that is the issue. when the defense crowds the line of scrimmage you dont run the ball up the middle, you throw a play action pass.

Get the ball out of durants hands. have other initiate the offense. Get durant the ball in situations that are harder to double, where he can catch and attack. not situations that are very easy to double that require 7+ dribbles to get a shot off.

There is literally nothing KD can do score better with how he is being played, employing the current strategy.

on the flip side there are TONS of things we can do to get him to score better from an offensive strategy/coaching stand point

KD needs nash not to be a moron. if you want to blame KD the psuedo-GM fine. but KD the player is not at fault for our current struggles

There is nothing Nash can say to get the ball out of KD's hands. The only way he can do that is by having KD on the bench. KD has tunnel vision right now. He deferred when Kyrie was on fire in Game 1, but with Kyrie off, KD was not passing the ball. The team defers to KD too much. Dragic was the only one that wouldn't immediately hand the ball to KD. Nash's two main mistakes were not playing Dragic more in the 2nd half (especially in the 3rd), and that timeout 2 minutes into the 4th to rush KD back into the game.

The adjustments worked. We led for about 3.5 quarters. Our star insisted on taking over to the detriment of the team. Udoka knows that KD & Kyrie can't help themselves, and it's why the Celtics don't deviate from the plan, even down double digits while being roasted by all of the role players.

I don't like Nash as much as the next guy, but I'm not throwing the blame his way so far this series. The script has worked. Going off script with the 4th quarter isolation has not.

[GTR11]

Also, that Saltic offense is suspect to say least. Once you pick the switch or jump with double team, it's easy to force turnovers. Especially if Jaylen or Smart initiating it, Tatum is suspect too. Couple solid D players can make their lives miserable.

If we lose this series, I don't think teams like Bucks, Miami or PHX will let them rock. They need a true PG in order to run that offense. Someone who can beat his man off the dribble and than make a right pass. They don't have it. That's why we've been in the games.

I mean just re-watch both games. It's suspect to say least.

[GTR11]

Does Kevin Durant need a coach to hold his hand to figure out how to score in this league?

There is nothing KD can do to score in those scenarios. hard double team by 2 elite defenders with 3 help defenders waiting and the team willing to take fouls to be physical...

no, scoring is not the issue. that should not be the objective and that is the issue. when the defense crowds the line of scrimmage you dont run the ball up the middle, you throw a play action pass.

Get the ball out of durants hands. have other initiate the offense. Get durant the ball in situations that are harder to double, where he can catch and attack. not situations that are very easy to double that require 7+ dribbles to get a shot off.

There is literally nothing KD can do score better with how he is being played, employing the current strategy.

on the flip side there are TONS of things we can do to get him to score better from an offensive strategy/coaching stand point

KD needs nash not to be a moron. if you want to blame KD the psuedo-GM fine. but KD the player is not at fault for our current struggles

There is nothing Nash can say to get the ball out of KD's hands. The only way he can do that is by having KD on the bench. KD has tunnel vision right now. He deferred when Kyrie was on fire in Game 1, but with Kyrie off, KD was not passing the ball. The team defers to KD too much. Dragic was the only one that wouldn't immediately hand the ball to KD. Nash's two main mistakes were not playing Dragic more in the 2nd half (especially in the 3rd), and that timeout 2 minutes into the 4th to rush KD back into the game.

The adjustments worked. We led for about 3.5 quarters. Our star insisted on taking over to the detriment of the team. Udoka knows that KD & Kyrie can't help themselves, and it's why the Celtics don't deviate from the plan, even down double digits while being roasted by all of the role players.

I don't like Nash as much as the next guy, but I'm not throwing the blame his way so far this series. The script has worked. Going off script with the 4th quarter isolation has not.

Ball game right there.

Watch from 6 min mark. Everything you said is correct. Role players started to force ball into KD hands, Kyrie was invisible and everyone else just watched.

We literally lost 2 games we had no business losing.

[GTR11]

Not having Ben and Joe instead of Brown and Dre definitely would've changed things. However, we lost both games due to simple coaching decisions.

If Nash won't get fired this off-season. I'll be pissed. STILL WONT FIRE MARKS. LOOK AROUMD AND COMPARE BEFORE ANYTHING. GUY IS GENIUS GM.

[Prokorov]

There is nothing KD can do to score in those scenarios. hard double team by 2 elite defenders with 3 help defenders waiting and the team willing to take fouls to be physical...

no, scoring is not the issue. that should not be the objective and that is the issue. when the defense crowds the line of scrimmage you dont run the ball up the middle, you throw a play action pass.

Get the ball out of durants hands. have other initiate the offense. Get durant the ball in situations that are harder to double, where he can catch and attack. not situations that are very easy to double that require 7+ dribbles to get a shot off.

There is literally nothing KD can do score better with how he is being played, employing the current strategy.

on the flip side there are TONS of things we can do to get him to score better from an offensive strategy/coaching stand point

KD needs nash not to be a moron. if you want to blame KD the psuedo-GM fine. but KD the player is not at fault for our current struggles

There is nothing Nash can say to get the ball out of KD's hands. The only way he can do that is by having KD on the bench. KD has tunnel vision right now. He deferred when Kyrie was on fire in Game 1, but with Kyrie off, KD was not passing the ball. The team defers to KD too much. Dragic was the only one that wouldn't immediately hand the ball to KD. Nash's two main mistakes were not playing Dragic more in the 2nd half (especially in the 3rd), and that timeout 2 minutes into the 4th to rush KD back into the game.

The adjustments worked. We led for about 3.5 quarters. Our star insisted on taking over to the detriment of the team. Udoka knows that KD & Kyrie can't help themselves, and it's why the Celtics don't deviate from the plan, even down double digits while being roasted by all of the role players.

I don't like Nash as much as the next guy, but I'm not throwing the blame his way so far this series. The script has worked. Going off script with the 4th quarter isolation has not.

Ball game right there.

Watch from 6 min mark. Everything you said is correct. Role players started to force ball into KD hands, Kyrie was invisible and everyone else just watched.

We literally lost 2 games we had no business losing.

We were - 7 to close the second quarter and - 5 to end the third. it was more then the 4th. we allowed a big run with 4 guards and no KD (somehow no touches for kyrie even with that lineup) and to end the half.

we have to limit live ball turnovers. that means less KD running pick and rolls as the ball handler or iso at the top of the key. he can still iso and take 50 shots. its clear the 2 or 3 situations he struggles. its been clear all year