Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[GTR11]

Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

The opposite is true. If anything he rushed his comeback instead of sitting out and getting fully healthy.

I don't even understand how in the where and how some coming into saying anything like it. Like... can you read or see what happened and said?

[GTR11]

hey guys, hear me out hear me out... Russell Westbrook ! lol look, we suck on offense, he might be a guy to help us in that area and his defense was really good in that playoff series. We all know his motor and energy is on 1000 and he might be able to rub some of that off on the other guys. We also need a ball handler and point guard and he's a guy that can get 7-10 assist a night and help get Claxton easy looks as well as our 3 and D guys which we have an abundance of.

I know I know it's Westbrick and he's kinda not that good but he does have some qualities we need and can use. He'll also help on rebounds which we do need help with. Only thing I don't like is that he can't shoot and him with Claxton on the floor together might suck but it can also work out with the way he attacks the basket aggressively. I'm thinking a 2 year deal for 30M with a team option next season might get it done. Just me here thinking of creative ways lol

How you going to fit Ben and Russ on the same team?

My man, you just had brain fart moment or you not completed your thought regarding Ben.

[Marvin Martian]

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Yeah ok. As if Simmons being hurt last year means he can never play again.

He will come back strong next year. We saw plenty of flashes next season.

Either way we are stuck with his contract and have to make it work.

The problem was that Marks brought in Simmons to help Ky and KD. He was thinking that while PHI Simmons had flaws, KD and Ky had the talent to mask them.

Those 2 are gone now. So PHI Simmons is no longer an acceptable standard for Ben. In order to help this current team significantly, Ben has to be better than he ever was. Almost 0 chance of that happening.

[GTR11]

Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Worthless picks? c'mon now. If anything 2027 and 29 year picks scream lotto. I won't be surprised if 2025 will be in top 7 the way WC rounding up. PHX finished only 3 games better than 10th seed. Paul in last 2 years played 65 and 59 games. He kicking 40 that year. KD.. how many games he will be able to give?

DFS and Bridges considered to be one of the best value contracts out there. Din is expiring and can be great filler.

CamJ is a tricky one. He will have several teams ready to overpay according to few reports.

That 2029 Mavs pick can easily end up in top 3. I trust in my boy Kyrie.

[Papi_swav]

hey guys, hear me out hear me out... Russell Westbrook ! lol look, we suck on offense, he might be a guy to help us in that area and his defense was really good in that playoff series. We all know his motor and energy is on 1000 and he might be able to rub some of that off on the other guys. We also need a ball handler and point guard and he's a guy that can get 7-10 assist a night and help get Claxton easy looks as well as our 3 and D guys which we have an abundance of.

I know I know it's Westbrick and he's kinda not that good but he does have some qualities we need and can use. He'll also help on rebounds which we do need help with. Only thing I don't like is that he can't shoot and him with Claxton on the floor together might suck but it can also work out with the way he attacks the basket aggressively. I'm thinking a 2 year deal for 30M with a team option next season might get it done. Just me here thinking of creative ways lol

How you going to fit Ben and Russ on the same team?

My man, you just had brain fart moment or you not completed your thought regarding Ben.

might have been a brain fart moment but honestly, I don't ever even think about Ben at all when it comes to this team, I just act like he's not even here. We might have to pay him to go away

[MrDollarBills]

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Worthless picks? c'mon now. If anything 2027 and 29 year picks scream lotto. I won't be surprised if 2025 will be in top 7 the way WC rounding up. PHX finished only 3 games better than 10th seed. Paul in last 2 years played 65 and 59 games. He kicking 40 that year. KD.. how many games he will be able to give?

DFS and Bridges considered to be one of the best value contracts out there. Din is expiring and can be great filler.

CamJ is a tricky one. He will have several teams ready to overpay according to few reports.

That 2029 Mavs pick can easily end up in top 3. I trust in my boy Kyrie.

I was saying that Sixers pick isn't gonna be worth much imo. That Dallas pick will probably yield a top 3 pick. Those Phoenix picks should yield something too.

I trust Kyrie too. He hasn't disappointed thus far

[MrDollarBills]

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Yeah ok. As if Simmons being hurt last year means he can never play again.

He will come back strong next year. We saw plenty of flashes next season.

Either way we are stuck with his contract and have to make it work.

You are free to have faith in Ben Simmons. I don't, and for good reason. Aside from his physical issues, dude is a headcase and we've seen it on display during his awful time here.

He's the worst contract in the league. The Nets are better off burning a PHO pick to get rid of him than wasting time until he decides that he doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

[Riconet]

The opposite is true. If anything he rushed his comeback instead of sitting out and getting fully healthy.

I don't even understand how in the where and how some coming into saying anything like it. Like... can you read or see what happened and said?

I wear glasses, but I can read and see as well as the next guy, and I've been watching basketball for a long time.

I'll flip it around and say that I don't see how anyone with functioning eyes can look at Simmons and see a guy who burns to be great. This is a guy whose FG attempts, FT attempts and rebounds have all decreased 3 years in a row, who hasn't bothered to improve his jump shot or FT shooting despite it being crystal clear that those are critical holes in his game, who mailed it in for his college team, quit on his national team and quit on the Sixers, and whose coach and teammates in Philly immediately threw him under the bus after they lost in the playoffs.

You're free to hope that he resurrects his career here. I hope it happens that way too. But acting like it's crazy to question his commitment to the game, or that people with those questions are blind or don't understand basketball, is ridiculous.

[GTR11]

The opposite is true. If anything he rushed his comeback instead of sitting out and getting fully healthy.

I don't even understand how in the where and how some coming into saying anything like it. Like... can you read or see what happened and said?

I wear glasses, but I can read and see as well as the next guy, and I've been watching basketball for a long time.

I'll flip it around and say that I don't see how anyone with functioning eyes can look at Simmons and see a guy who burns to be great. This is a guy whose FG attempts, FT attempts and rebounds have all decreased 3 years in a row, who hasn't bothered to improve his jump shot or FT shooting despite it being crystal clear that those are critical holes in his game, who mailed it in for his college team, quit on his national team and quit on the Sixers, and whose coach and teammates in Philly immediately threw him under the bus after they lost in the playoffs.

You're free to hope that he resurrects his career here. I hope it happens that way too. But acting like it's crazy to question his commitment to the game, or that people with those questions are blind or don't understand basketball, is ridiculous.

Than your agenda towards Ben clealry has you blinded.

The ststs you referring to, only true when it comes to select few PO games. He was an all star and elite D player throughout his career. This year he shouldn't even been playing. MPJ who had same injury spoke on it too.

Clearly you riding hot takes with great amount of ignorance.

[NetsJets]

Simmons is a non factor stop mentioning him. He can sit on the bench in his nice clothes for the next 2 years for all I care.

[GTR11]

hey guys, hear me out hear me out... Russell Westbrook ! lol look, we suck on offense, he might be a guy to help us in that area and his defense was really good in that playoff series. We all know his motor and energy is on 1000 and he might be able to rub some of that off on the other guys. We also need a ball handler and point guard and he's a guy that can get 7-10 assist a night and help get Claxton easy looks as well as our 3 and D guys which we have an abundance of.

I know I know it's Westbrick and he's kinda not that good but he does have some qualities we need and can use. He'll also help on rebounds which we do need help with. Only thing I don't like is that he can't shoot and him with Claxton on the floor together might suck but it can also work out with the way he attacks the basket aggressively. I'm thinking a 2 year deal for 30M with a team option next season might get it done. Just me here thinking of creative ways lol

How you going to fit Ben and Russ on the same team?

My man, you just had brain fart moment or you not completed your thought regarding Ben.

might have been a brain fart moment but honestly, I don't ever even think about Ben at all when it comes to this team, I just act like he's not even here. We might have to pay him to go away

How can you ignoring one third of our cap man... i know I'm in minority here now, but i got very good chances to succeed in my prediction when it comes to Ben. Simply because he cannot do any worse than it is right now. Healthy Ben Simmons is not trash at all. He is borderline all star and first team all D.

Some needs to go back and check Ben Simmons career again. He is amazing bball player that can produce on very high level. Ben getting killed by haters only when it comes to PO and if he can be that 2ns or 3rd wheel.

Dude is only 26 and entering his prime. Some of you need to wake up. This dude will come back and be a force again. He ain't no bum. Giving up assets to move Ben? To get who? Washed up Dame who can't stay healthy or Jimmy who will be Joakim Noah in a year. Yes i said it, guy has way to much mileage on him and Miami record back it up. This will be his last productive year and Pat knows it. That's why he wants to move him ASAP. Only dumb ass GM will even consider taking on that contract.

[Papi_swav]

How you going to fit Ben and Russ on the same team?

My man, you just had brain fart moment or you not completed your thought regarding Ben.

might have been a brain fart moment but honestly, I don't ever even think about Ben at all when it comes to this team, I just act like he's not even here. We might have to pay him to go away

How can you ignoring one third of our cap man... i know I'm in minority here now, but i got very good chances to succeed in my prediction when it comes to Ben. Simply because he cannot do any worse than it is right now. Healthy Ben Simmons is not trash at all. He is borderline all star and first team all D.

Some needs to go back and check Ben Simmons career again. He is amazing bball player that can produce on very high level. Ben getting killed by haters only when it comes to PO and if he can be that 2ns or 3rd wheel.

Dude is only 26 and entering his prime. Some of you need to wake up. This dude will come back and be a force again. He ain't no bum. Giving up assets to move Ben? To get who? Washed up Dame who can't stay healthy or Jimmy who will be Joakim Noah in a year. Yes i said it, guy has way to much mileage on him and Miami record back it up. This will be his last productive year and Pat knows it. That's why he wants to move him ASAP. Only dumb ass GM will even consider taking on that contract.

idk why you're so optimistic about Ben but I hope you're right, but right now he's the worst contract in the league until further notice. He hasn't produced and he seems like he doesn't even care about ball anymore, he's just happy collecting them fat checks. Even if he does come back fully healthy, he's still a very flawed player and I don't see that changing. If we can move him in a solid deal we're much better off doing that. For 37-40M dollars we can have like 2-3 players with that price that fits the team better.

[Eatgreenz]

Westbrick. Are you guys insane?

Hes not going to help at all. We need to rehabilitate Simmons. Thats the #1 goal of next season.

Well, I'd probably agree that Simmons should be the PG and the Nets should avoid bringing in a guy like Westbrook, who would also want to be the PG -- but only if JV and Marks think that Simmons is physically and mentally capable of playing that role. There is a high likelihood that Simmons isn't interested in doing what it takes to come back from back surgery and be a good NBA player again.

I hope I'm wrong, but to me it looks like he's happy to collect $40MM per year, go out clubbing, date Kardashians and generally live the life without putting the work in -- and thus that he'll never be a good NBA player again. If that's the case, they need to pay someone to take him ASAP.

Where do yall even get this info from. For someone whose suppose to not wanna be a NBA player again he sure is around the team alot. Summer League when he could be on a plane to Cabo his there supporting our young players with royce, with KD and Kyrie no where in site.Every home game his there supporting the team clapping, dapping up teammates. Before KD got traded he was always on the bench soon as Kyrie gets traded he disappears thats what someone does when they dont plan on being here. He even played when he shouldn't of knowing everyone would clown him and he still tried his best while looking like someone who had a back surgery.

[GTR11]

might have been a brain fart moment but honestly, I don't ever even think about Ben at all when it comes to this team, I just act like he's not even here. We might have to pay him to go away

How can you ignoring one third of our cap man... i know I'm in minority here now, but i got very good chances to succeed in my prediction when it comes to Ben. Simply because he cannot do any worse than it is right now. Healthy Ben Simmons is not trash at all. He is borderline all star and first team all D.

Some needs to go back and check Ben Simmons career again. He is amazing bball player that can produce on very high level. Ben getting killed by haters only when it comes to PO and if he can be that 2ns or 3rd wheel.

Dude is only 26 and entering his prime. Some of you need to wake up. This dude will come back and be a force again. He ain't no bum. Giving up assets to move Ben? To get who? Washed up Dame who can't stay healthy or Jimmy who will be Joakim Noah in a year. Yes i said it, guy has way to much mileage on him and Miami record back it up. This will be his last productive year and Pat knows it. That's why he wants to move him ASAP. Only dumb ass GM will even consider taking on that contract.

idk why you're so optimistic about Ben but I hope you're right, but right now he's the worst contract in the league until further notice. He hasn't produced and he seems like he doesn't even care about ball anymore, he's just happy collecting them fat checks. Even if he does come back fully healthy, he's still a very flawed player and I don't see that changing. If we can move him in a solid deal we're much better off doing that. For 37-40M dollars we can have like 2-3 players with that price that fits the team better.

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

[KnixtapeH20]

How can you ignoring one third of our cap man... i know I'm in minority here now, but i got very good chances to succeed in my prediction when it comes to Ben. Simply because he cannot do any worse than it is right now. Healthy Ben Simmons is not trash at all. He is borderline all star and first team all D.

Some needs to go back and check Ben Simmons career again. He is amazing bball player that can produce on very high level. Ben getting killed by haters only when it comes to PO and if he can be that 2ns or 3rd wheel.

Dude is only 26 and entering his prime. Some of you need to wake up. This dude will come back and be a force again. He ain't no bum. Giving up assets to move Ben? To get who? Washed up Dame who can't stay healthy or Jimmy who will be Joakim Noah in a year. Yes i said it, guy has way to much mileage on him and Miami record back it up. This will be his last productive year and Pat knows it. That's why he wants to move him ASAP. Only dumb ass GM will even consider taking on that contract.

idk why you're so optimistic about Ben but I hope you're right, but right now he's the worst contract in the league until further notice. He hasn't produced and he seems like he doesn't even care about ball anymore, he's just happy collecting them fat checks. Even if he does come back fully healthy, he's still a very flawed player and I don't see that changing. If we can move him in a solid deal we're much better off doing that. For 37-40M dollars we can have like 2-3 players with that price that fits the team better.

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

[Riconet]

Than your agenda towards Ben clealry has you blinded.

The ststs you referring to, only true when it comes to select few PO games. He was an all star and elite D player throughout his career. This year he shouldn't even been playing. MPJ who had same injury spoke on it too.

Clearly you riding hot takes with great amount of ignorance.

The bolded is simply wrong. The declines in Ben's FTA, FGA and rebounds that I mentioned are all regular-season stats, so the sample size is substantial.

Here are Ben's stats, in case you'd like to confirm: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

Y'know what's ignorant? Not knowing the basic facts, and not bothering to check them before contradicting someone who's just trying to have a reasonable conversation.

Do better.

[GTR11]

idk why you're so optimistic about Ben but I hope you're right, but right now he's the worst contract in the league until further notice. He hasn't produced and he seems like he doesn't even care about ball anymore, he's just happy collecting them fat checks. Even if he does come back fully healthy, he's still a very flawed player and I don't see that changing. If we can move him in a solid deal we're much better off doing that. For 37-40M dollars we can have like 2-3 players with that price that fits the team better.

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

Seem like you ignored everything that I said already.

Also, if dude really wanted to quit, he wouldn't be doing what he does. Can easily persuaded his own interests with excuse he got.

Bottom line, he showed me something during game 3. He wanted that action.

We will find out next year.

[GTR11]

Than your agenda towards Ben clealry has you blinded.

The ststs you referring to, only true when it comes to select few PO games. He was an all star and elite D player throughout his career. This year he shouldn't even been playing. MPJ who had same injury spoke on it too.

Clearly you riding hot takes with great amount of ignorance.

The bolded is simply wrong. The declines in Ben's FTA, FGA and rebounds that I mentioned are all regular-season stats, so the sample size is substantial.

Here are Ben's stats, in case you'd like to confirm: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

Y'know what's ignorant? Not knowing the basic facts, and not bothering to check them before contradicting someone who's just trying to have a reasonable conversation.

Do better.

He was coming from surgery and rushed his comeback. He missed entire year and clearly wasn't healthy

If anything he had several games when he showed glimpses of what he should be. God damn you

Fall back man you reaching here to say least. If anything Ben showed that he wants to play. And when he's healthy he produce.

[KnixtapeH20]

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

Seem like you ignored everything that I said already.

Also, if dude really wanted to quit, he wouldn't be doing what he does. Can easily persuaded his own interests with excuse he got.

Bottom line, he showed me something during game 3. He wanted that action.

We will find out next year.

Maybe he'll be better w.o two alpha scorers or superstars on the team and fit into his role. Idk between the injuries and his mental space he's got an uphill battle. It's put up or shut up for him next season how I see it. There's zero pressure he should be able to just play ball n get his head out of his ass

Who knows what a different management staff will 2ant to do w him if it comes to that

[GTR11]

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

Seem like you ignored everything that I said already.

Also, if dude really wanted to quit, he wouldn't be doing what he does. Can easily persuaded his own interests with excuse he got.

Bottom line, he showed me something during game 3. He wanted that action.

We will find out next year.

Maybe he'll be better w.o two alpha scorers or superstars on the team and fit into his role. Idk between the injuries and his mental space he's got an uphill battle. It's put up or shut up for him next season how I see it. There's zero pressure he should be able to just play ball n get his head out of his ass

Who knows what a different management staff will 2ant to do w him if it comes to that

He got couple years before his contract runs out. He already hit rock bottom where almost everyone enucleated him. From what being said and reported, he believes he will be back sooner than later. His new agent revived several careers. Ben in much better place then them. And as you said, no pressure at all next year.

We will see.