The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[DarkXaero]

Crabbe trade was a mistake the moment we made it. Took on a negative contract without getting positive asset back. If we got a 1st round pick back like the Carroll trade, it would have been a perfectly fine deal. I don't think Crabbe will get much better than what he is right now. I think he's a better shooter than what he has shown us so far, and his efficiency will go up if Lin/Dlo were healthy. But aside from his shooting, I don't think there's much upside here. Whenever he puts ball on the floor, he's extremely limited, and his dribble pull up jumpers are terribly inefficient. He can't really drive to the basket much due to limited ball handling ability and lack of explosiveness. The best case scenario here is that he becomes an efficient 3&D player.

[LKIRNets]

Good bounce back game from Crabbe. 15 pts 5 rebs 4 for 7 from 3.

We need to keep getting him going off that screen. That's when he's himself.

[steady]

It's encouraging they hung in there for most of game

[TheBrooklynKidd]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

[Prokorov]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

We arent moving crabbe AND getting a first. i think we would likely need to move crabbe AND give the toronto pick. he has basically proven (assuming not much changes prior to the deadline) that in an ideal situation he is still basically the guy he was in portland... a limited second round pick player who is money on catch and shoot threes but not much beyond that.

if we take on bad enough salary we can probably do a "our bad contract for your bad contract" type trade but but im not sure lauer or delly fall into the same category as crabbe for awful contracts

I do think it is a no brainer that stauskus (better then crabbe with higher ceiling) and harris (as good as crabbe and much cheaper) are better alternatives to crabbe.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

We arent moving crabbe AND getting a first. i think we would likely need to move crabbe AND give the toronto pick. he has basically proven (assuming not much changes prior to the deadline) that in an ideal situation he is still basically the guy he was in portland... a limited second round pick player who is money on catch and shoot threes but not much beyond that.

if we take on bad enough salary we can probably do a "our bad contract for your bad contract" type trade but but im not sure lauer or delly fall into the same category as crabbe for awful contracts

I do think it is a no brainer that stauskus (better then crabbe with higher ceiling) and harris (as good as crabbe and much cheaper) are better alternatives to crabbe.

I think we could get a 1st in a swapping of bad deals as long as the player is less useful than Crabbe, such as Delly/Leuer even though they are on the better end of that spectrum of players.

What do you think about a combination of our ideas? We could use the Toronto pick and Crabbe to take on worse players on bad deals in order to move up in the draft.

Crabbe + Toronto pick for Asik, Ajinca and NO pick top 10 protected and maybe a 2020 protected 2nd is pretty reasonable in my book.

[MrDollarBills]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

I think its way too early to write Crabbe off as a failure. Give him a year and let's revisit this. He may need to change his role on the team once Russell comes back, but I see no reason to give up on him. It's December 31st. Let's see where he is in April, and then next December to see what has improved.

People gave up on Rondae this time last year. Now look. Crabbe is older so the leash should be shorter, I agree there, but lets give him time to figure it out and work with the coaches.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

I think its way too early to write Crabbe off as a failure. Give him a year and let's revisit this. He may need to change his role on the team once Russell comes back, but I see no reason to give up on him. It's December 31st. Let's see where he is in April, and then next December to see what has improved.

People gave up on Rondae this time last year. Now look. Crabbe is older so the leash should be shorter, I agree there, but lets give him time to figure it out and work with the coaches.

I don’t want to give up on Crabbe completely, but I think we have to really evaluate the roster here. There will be some trimming, especially between those 3 guys and we can resign Harris and Stauskas to deals that when COMBINED would be half of what Crabbe is owed.

I also don’t think we can get a 1st for Harris but I think we could get one for Crabbe if we swap him for a player(s) on a worse deal, or at least move up from Toronto’s spot. If we can do that, I think we pull the trigger, make the best out of a bad situation and run with Stauskas and Harris.

[Keith Van Horn]

I think Crabbe is here for the duration of his contract. Harris, not so much.

Crabbe just needs to find his role with the team the way other guys like RHJ and LeVert have. I think once we're back with DLo and Okafor is playing, he'll start to get in more of a consistent groove.

[treiz]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

Don't see how we can get value back for trading Crabbe, also trying to take back an arguably worser contract does nothing to help the situation. Best course of action really is to maybe just hold on to him and hope he improves, worst case is that he becomes a pretty decent expiring.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

So do we accept that Stauskas and Harris are better than Crabbe and move him for a bad deal plus a 1st, or do we give Crabbe until next years trade deadline?

It just seems like his form is inconsistent and he’s out there missing open 3s, contested 3s and basically every other shot he takes.

Maybe Crabbe + IND pick for Asik, Ajinca and NOs top 12 protected 1st? If I were New Orleans I wouldn’t do it personally but they may be desperate enough now that the Clippers seem determined to steal the 8th seed.

Crabbe for Boban, Leuer and Detroit’s 1st this year? Maybe they want to turn their non contributors into a shooting threat, but they do have to pay Avery Bradley this summer.

Crabbe for Ian Mahinmi + WAS pick? He would help their bench a lot and free them up to do a Beal/Boogie swap.

Crabbe for Mirza, Delly and Milwaukee’s 2018 1st if it does not go to pheonix? I don’t even know if that’s legal.

Maybe Crabbe for Batum? We absorb more salary for a guy who may be a better fit.

I don’t really know what we should do. This Crabbe situation is the worst case scenario.

Sean Marks is officially human everybody.

Don't see how we can get value back for trading Crabbe, also trying to take back an arguably worser contract does nothing to help the situation. Best course of action really is to maybe just hold on to him and hope he improves, worst case is that he becomes a pretty decent expiring.

Like I said by taking a worse player on a bad deal.

It definitely helps our situation if we get a 1st rounder out of it.

I suggested this:
Crabbe+Toronto’s pick

For

Asik, Ajinca, NO 1st (top 10 protected), 2020 2nd

It would free us up to give money to Stauskas and Harris and it would help Marks save face.

[treiz]

Like I said by taking a worse player on a bad deal.

It definitely helps our situation if we get a 1st rounder out of it.

I suggested this:
Crabbe+Toronto’s pick

For

Asik, Ajinca, NO 1st (top 10 protected), 2020 2nd

It would free us up to give money to Stauskas and Harris and it would help Marks save face.

Why would NO do that? They're already at the luxury tax and you're giving them $2million more in salary as opposed to providing some relief? Not just that but they also give up 2 picks (probably much better picks) for one of ours?

You have Asik making $6-$7million less than Crabbe in the same timeframe and Ajinca expiring a year earlier at $5million.

It really doesn't benefit NO whatsoever. That would be an incredible steal for us if Marks pulled that off.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Like I said by taking a worse player on a bad deal.

It definitely helps our situation if we get a 1st rounder out of it.

I suggested this:
Crabbe+Toronto’s pick

For

Asik, Ajinca, NO 1st (top 10 protected), 2020 2nd

It would free us up to give money to Stauskas and Harris and it would help Marks save face.

Why would NO do that? They're already at the luxury tax and you're giving them $2million more in salary as opposed to providing some relief? Not just that but they also give up 2 picks (probably much better picks) for one of ours?

You have Asik making $6-$7million less than Crabbe in the same timeframe and Ajinca expiring a year earlier at $5million.

It really doesn't benefit NO whatsoever. That would be an incredible steal for us if Marks pulled that off.

It benefits NO a lot actually. They’re in a pretty desperate situation at the moment and have multiple players on their roster who are locked up for multiple years but are complete nonfactors. They need to convince Boogie to stay and this would help them do it. Right now they’re the 8th seed and with the Clippers showing new life, their playoff spot looks vulnerable. That extra 2 mill this year and next means nothing, the last year of Crabbes deal is the only part that’s questionable.

This would allow them to turn two of those nonfactors into shooting help on the wing, which is where they struggle they most.

They also still get to pick someone in this years draft.

[treiz]

It benefits NO a lot actually. They’re in a pretty desperate situation at the moment and have multiple players on their roster who are locked up for multiple years but are complete nonfactors. They need to convince Boogie to stay and this would help them do it. Right now they’re the 8th seed and with the Clippers showing new life, their playoff spot looks vulnerable. That extra 2 mill this year and next means nothing, the last year of Crabbes deal is the only part that’s questionable.

This would allow them to turn two of those nonfactors into shooting help on the wing, which is where they struggle they most.

They also still get to pick someone in this years draft.

It really doesn't though, Crabbe too is locked up for multiple years, in fact the same length as Asik and costs $7-$8million more. It doesn't provide them salary relief which they desperately need with Jrue and Davis making huge money and them trying to convince Boogie to stay as well as build a roster.

They need salary relief and this deal provides none of that. Yes, Crabbe might be a lot more useful compared to Ajinca/Asik, but he's not gonna move the needle, he makes more money than both combined and it becomes even moreso when Ajinca expires, and it won't help them in trying to retain Boogie, or reduce the tax they're gonna pay. There's really no reason for them to take this deal.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

It benefits NO a lot actually. They’re in a pretty desperate situation at the moment and have multiple players on their roster who are locked up for multiple years but are complete nonfactors. They need to convince Boogie to stay and this would help them do it. Right now they’re the 8th seed and with the Clippers showing new life, their playoff spot looks vulnerable. That extra 2 mill this year and next means nothing, the last year of Crabbes deal is the only part that’s questionable.

This would allow them to turn two of those nonfactors into shooting help on the wing, which is where they struggle they most.

They also still get to pick someone in this years draft.

It really doesn't though, Crabbe too is locked up for multiple years, in fact the same length as Asik and costs $7-$8million more. It doesn't provide them salary relief which they desperately need with Jrue and Davis making huge money and them trying to convince Boogie to stay as well as build a roster.

They need salary relief and this deal provides none of that. Yes, Crabbe might be a lot more useful compared to Ajinca/Asik, but he's not gonna move the needle, he makes more money than both combined and it becomes even moreso when Ajinca expires, and it won't help them in trying to retain Boogie, or reduce the tax they're gonna pay. There's really no reason for them to take this deal.

There really is. They don’t need salary relief necessarily. They need talent a lot more than cap relief if the want Boogie to stay.

On top of all of this, their only tradeable assets are their 1st rounders and Frank Jackson. Everyone else is either a core player, a worthless veteran or a bloated contract.

This is the only trade where they would be able to upgrade on the wing, dump Asik+Ajinca and still pick someone in the 1st round.

[treiz]

There really is. They don’t need salary relief necessarily. They need talent a lot more than cap relief if the want Boogie to stay.

On top of all of this, their only tradeable assets are their 1st rounders and Frank Jackson. Everyone else is either a core player, a worthless veteran or a bloated contract.

This is the only trade where they would be able to upgrade on the wing, dump Asik+Ajinca and still pick someone in the 1st round.

They're in the luxury tax, of course they need salary relief. You think the owners like paying that? They're only a million over that threshold and so adding that extra $2million isn't nothing.

Besides, with them being over the cap we need to take some salary and right now we can take on about $4m-$5m of salary to make this trade happen, they need the relief more than us, giving them Crabbe essentially gives them $2m more in salary within the same timeframe. Yes he might be more useful than Asik/Ajinca, but he won't move the needle by too much, they basically have the Portland version of Crabbe in Moore already as well as Miles over there (Crabbe's barely an upgrade). Adding another one doesn't change anything.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

There really is. They don’t need salary relief necessarily. They need talent a lot more than cap relief if the want Boogie to stay.

On top of all of this, their only tradeable assets are their 1st rounders and Frank Jackson. Everyone else is either a core player, a worthless veteran or a bloated contract.

This is the only trade where they would be able to upgrade on the wing, dump Asik+Ajinca and still pick someone in the 1st round.

They're in the luxury tax, of course they need salary relief. You think the owners like paying that? They're only a million over that threshold and so adding that extra $2million isn't nothing.

Besides, with them being over the cap we need to take some salary and right now we can take on about $4m-$5m of salary to make this trade happen, they need the relief more than us, giving them Crabbe essentially gives them $2m more in salary within the same timeframe. Yes he might be more useful than Asik/Ajinca, but he won't move the needle by too much, they basically have the Portland version of Crabbe in Moore already as well as Miles over there (Crabbe's barely an upgrade). Adding another one doesn't change anything.

They’re barely in the luxury tax, by like 1 mill. I understand what you’re saying, we can always take on extra money to help them out.

I guess it’ll have to be DeMarre Caroll to the Pelicans for their 1st instead.

[treiz]

They’re barely in the luxury tax, by like 1 mill. I understand what you’re saying, we can always take on extra money to help them out.

I guess it’ll have to be DeMarre Caroll to the Pelicans for their 1st instead.

Precisely, so we need to take back some salary in order for NO to even consider any trade to put them under the luxury tax threshold. Trading them Carroll for a 1st also doesn't accomplish anything for them either the net gain in salary has to be on us. If anything an ideal trade would've been Lin instead of Crabbe. Since that would've actually provided NO with some cap relief.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

They’re barely in the luxury tax, by like 1 mill. I understand what you’re saying, we can always take on extra money to help them out.

I guess it’ll have to be DeMarre Caroll to the Pelicans for their 1st instead.

Precisely, so we need to take back some salary in order for NO to even consider any trade to put them under the luxury tax threshold. Trading them Carroll for a 1st also doesn't accomplish anything for them either the net gain in salary has to be on us. If anything an ideal trade would've been Lin instead of Crabbe. Since that would've actually provided NO with some cap relief.

I don’t think they’re looking for cap relief. According to Pelicans fans they’re just looking to use their 1st to turn Asiks salary into a contributor.

They’re not gonna be under that tax anytime soon with Boogies new deal. They’ve accepted that now is the time to spend while Davis is still there.

[treiz]

That's true, it's all dependent upon Boogie's new deal. If he signs for something similar than what he's got now, then I expect them to go for salary relief, if he does sign for a lot more then I agree with you.