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Post#481 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:11 pm

I should also mention that while our pick currently would be 10th or 11th overall, we're currently 4.5 games out of the 8th seed in the East, but also 4.5 games out of the worst overall record, and only 2.5 games out of the 3rd worst record.
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Post#482 » by bws94 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:40 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:I should also mention that while our pick currently would be 10th or 11th overall, we're currently 4.5 games out of the 8th seed in the East, but also 4.5 games out of the worst overall record, and only 2.5 games out of the 3rd worst record.


With the best offensive player on the team (Russell) down and the veteran PG out for the season. Also, a major player in Okafor may make a big difference in time. Russell is coming back, and my guess is in a few weeks. Maybe mid to late January?
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Post#483 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:24 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:I should also mention that while our pick currently would be 10th or 11th overall, we're currently 4.5 games out of the 8th seed in the East, but also 4.5 games out of the worst overall record, and only 2.5 games out of the 3rd worst record.


I don't think that we'll be inside the top 10 pick wise especially as spring time comes and teams start tanking it. Nets will be playing at full steam and with hopefully Russell and Okafor in the mix.
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Post#484 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:01 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:George to Cleveland, Crabbe and RHJ to OKC, Shumpert, Frye and Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn.
Close to workable? OKC may need a bit more, but they're not getting full value back for a rental. Crabbe would be a very interesting fit with Westbrook.


why would we do that deal? We lose Crabbe and RHJ for two washed up players and our pick back? we won't even be in the top 3. No thanks. RHJ will end up having more value long term than that pick.

Yeah, gone are the days I'd want RHJ moved for anything less then bringing in a superstar in a quantity over quality package while still not gutting the team.

Like we need to get Anthony Davis back for RHJ, combined with a couple picks and one of our young guys. Something like that or I wouldn't dare move him. He's already proving to be a plus level starter who can shift around all over the court on the defensive side of the ball and certainly has the ceiling of a prime Marion and likelihood of a prime Crash or Iggy.

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Post#485 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:04 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream. :lol:


Earlier today I was thinking how funny it would be if we signed PG13 in F/A and he said part of why he came here was to play with DLo. Magic Johnson would get fired lmao

My god it would be epic. :lol:

Like say the Nets stay afloat til D-Lo gets back and the other guys improve, go on a great run and sneak into the 8 seed a few games below .500.

They find a way to move Mozgov for pure cap, for low cost such as the Toronto pick and George decides to come here? Would be crazy lol. Magic would look Billy King level foolish.
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Post#486 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:49 pm

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Ror1997 wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream. :lol:


Earlier today I was thinking how funny it would be if we signed PG13 in F/A and he said part of why he came here was to play with DLo. Magic Johnson would get fired lmao

My god it would be epic. :lol:

Like say the Nets stay afloat til D-Lo gets back and the other guys improve, go on a great run and sneak into the 8 seed a few games below .500.

They find a way to move Mozgov for pure cap, for low cost such as the Toronto pick and George decides to come here? Would be crazy lol. Magic would look Billy King level foolish.

No, that goes against development.
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Post#487 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:24 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:I should also mention that while our pick currently would be 10th or 11th overall, we're currently 4.5 games out of the 8th seed in the East, but also 4.5 games out of the worst overall record, and only 2.5 games out of the 3rd worst record.


I don't think that we'll be inside the top 10 pick wise especially as spring time comes and teams start tanking it. Nets will be playing at full steam and with hopefully Russell and Okafor in the mix.

You have far more faith in this team than I do. I'm thinking it's almost a lock top 10 pick, and even more so if we were to trade some talent in order to get the pick back.
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Post#488 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:07 am

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TheNetsFan wrote:I should also mention that while our pick currently would be 10th or 11th overall, we're currently 4.5 games out of the 8th seed in the East, but also 4.5 games out of the worst overall record, and only 2.5 games out of the 3rd worst record.


I don't think that we'll be inside the top 10 pick wise especially as spring time comes and teams start tanking it. Nets will be playing at full steam and with hopefully Russell and Okafor in the mix.

You have far more faith in this team than I do. I'm thinking it's almost a lock top 10 pick, and even more so if we were to trade some talent in order to get the pick back.


Rondae is trending towards all star level with his production and upside. that would be a huge mistake to trade him for our own pick. we have 11 wins now and we have 4 months left. we'll be fine imo.

Let me ask this. If somehow Klay Thompson became available for trade, would anyone here object to Marks going after him?
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Post#489 » by Paradise » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:25 am

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I don't think that we'll be inside the top 10 pick wise especially as spring time comes and teams start tanking it. Nets will be playing at full steam and with hopefully Russell and Okafor in the mix.

You have far more faith in this team than I do. I'm thinking it's almost a lock top 10 pick, and even more so if we were to trade some talent in order to get the pick back.


Rondae is trending towards all star level with his production and upside. that would be a huge mistake to trade him for our own pick. we have 11 wins now and we have 4 months left. we'll be fine imo.

Let me ask this. If somehow Klay Thompson became available for trade, would anyone here object to Marks going after him?

Absolutely not but what are giving up to get him hypothetically?

Obviously, a Russell/Thompson backcourt makes us a must watch.
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Post#490 » by Ror1997 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:55 am

A hypothetical Thompson trade starts with LeVert+Allen
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Post#491 » by Paradise » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:17 am

Ror1997 wrote:A hypothetical Thompson trade starts with LeVert+Allen

We’re left with who exactly?

Dinwiddie
Russell
Thompson
RHJ
Okafor?


That’s assuming he’s lock into something long term and showing capability of leading a defense and offense. This is kind of why SA sees us still a ways away because any deals including LeVert/Allen immediately makes us a blank canvas beyond Russell, RHJ, Dinwiddie and Jah.

So, we’ll see if we can develop a nice player with this year’s pick because we could end up developing a kid that makes us less likely to hurt our depth and talent base in any significant trades.
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Post#492 » by Keith Van Horn » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:19 am

I’ll have to find it, but a Pelicans blog on twitter suggested they have “strong interest in Demare Carroll”.

DMC, RHJ, Raptors 1st, and a 2nd for Anthony Davis?

Not enough?


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Post#493 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:04 pm

I really don't want to trade anyone, but I could see the Nets monitoring the Klay Thompson situation in Golden State.

I can't fathom that ownership group paying so much luxury tax like that. IMO Klay's days with GS were doomed once KD joined the team, it would make sense for them to trade him for salary relief and young prospects/picks because you can still win big time with KD, Curry, and Draymond anchoring the team. Nets have young assets, pick control resuming next year and expiring contract money coming up. I'm just thinking Marks might be looking that way. that being said, I'd probably be pissed if we trade Hollis-Jefferson and LeVert.
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Post#494 » by Netaman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:40 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:George to Cleveland, Crabbe and RHJ to OKC, Shumpert, Frye and Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn.
Close to workable? OKC may need a bit more, but they're not getting full value back for a rental. Crabbe would be a very interesting fit with Westbrook.


why would we do that deal? We lose Crabbe and RHJ for two washed up players and our pick back? we won't even be in the top 3. No thanks. RHJ will end up having more value long term than that pick.

Yeah, gone are the days I'd want RHJ moved for anything less then bringing in a superstar in a quantity over quality package while still not gutting the team.

Like we need to get Anthony Davis back for RHJ, combined with a couple picks and one of our young guys. Something like that or I wouldn't dare move him. He's already proving to be a plus level starter who can shift around all over the court on the defensive side of the ball and certainly has the ceiling of a prime Marion and likelihood of a prime Crash or Iggy.

Team RHJ, all aboard.


Completely agree. I actually think that's RHJ's future. He's Crash 2.0 and then Marks trades him for a true superstar when the team is ready to take that next step. I'd still love to have him because he's a really good player, but losing out on Porter basically allowed us to find a similarly good undersized PF for a fraction of the cost.

At this time next year, this roster will hopefully be much further along with a full year in their roles & system (not to mention healthier) - while owning our own pick and having $37M in expiring contracts. I think we're pretty close to entering the window where acquiring a star is a possibility.

Until then - talent acquisition mode!
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Post#495 » by Keith Van Horn » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:05 pm

RHJ + DMC + Harris + 2018 Raptors pick + 1 of our 2028 second rounders

For Cousins or Davis?

2018 starters:
Din / Russell / Crabbe / Okafor / Davis or Cousins

Bench:
Lin / Levert / Stauskus / xxx / Allen

And still hang onto our 2019 first rounder in the process.



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Post#496 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:38 pm

If the Pelicans are interested in Carroll, it's likely to lineup alongside Cousins & Davis, not to trade for Cousins or Davis (unless they're certain Cousins is going to walk). Maybe you can get a first round pick out of them, but you'd probably have to take on an unsavory contract like Asik or Hill.
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Post#497 » by Paradise » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:51 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:RHJ + DMC + Harris + 2018 Raptors pick + 1 of our 2028 second rounders

For Cousins or Davis?

2018 starters:
Din / Russell / Crabbe / Okafor / Davis or Cousins

Bench:
Lin / Levert / Stauskus / xxx / Allen

And still hang onto our 2019 first rounder in the process.



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Cousins is more likely the moveable piece. He’s the one they have to max next summer.

AD would be a dream come true but I think Kenny would age 20 years faster in one season with Cousins. I’ve watched him with New Orleans...no thanks. I know he’s the best big man statistically but he’s not a guy who can lead you to a championship. The fact he still makes a lot of losing mentality mistakes and lack of effort on D alongside another prime star is troublesome to me.
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Post#498 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:20 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I’ll have to find it, but a Pelicans blog on twitter suggested they have “strong interest in Demare Carroll”.

DMC, RHJ, Raptors 1st, and a 2nd for Anthony Davis?

Not enough?


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I think that would mean to add to their core without moving a big piece.

Let me be clear, when I say only moving RHJ for someone like the Brow, it doesn't mean:

A) New Orleans is close to moving him period.

B) That any package which doesn't gut our team is reasonable as of now.

I'm thinking towards the future when I think about Davis, as in next year or even the summer after in a S&T kind of deal.

Davis still has 2 guaranteed seasons and an option year after this season. Unless they were absolutely in love with RHJ absolutely specifically, they can get much better on paper value for a stud like Davis. Like a top 3 pick and a LeVert level prospect and a future pick for a guy like him, either this deadline or in the summer.

But I doubt they move him any time soon and ride their sinking ship into the sunset, then opening the door in a season or 2 for when now they're screwed and have to move him for a solid, yet underwhelming package like we could offer. And that's not to poo poo on RHJ at all. But even if he turned into Marion, moving RHJ for a guy like a prime Kevin Garnett/Hornets Alonzo Mourning hybrid still in his dead prime with years upon years of domination left for a guy like a prime Gerald Wallace, or Marion, or Iggy and some scraps in the form of protected middling picks, is not as attractive as what they could get now and becomes something of a directionless settling trade for a team in that circumstance.
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Post#499 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:24 pm

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Keith Van Horn wrote:RHJ + DMC + Harris + 2018 Raptors pick + 1 of our 2028 second rounders

For Cousins or Davis?

2018 starters:
Din / Russell / Crabbe / Okafor / Davis or Cousins

Bench:
Lin / Levert / Stauskus / xxx / Allen

And still hang onto our 2019 first rounder in the process.



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Cousins is more likely the moveable piece. He’s the one they have to max next summer.

AD would be a dream come true but I think Kenny would age 20 years faster in one season with Cousins. I’ve watched him with New Orleans...no thanks. I know he’s the best big man statistically but he’s not a guy who can lead you to a championship. The fact he still makes a lot of losing mentality mistakes and lack of effort on D alongside another prime star is troublesome to me.

Have to agree. Cousins is most definitely a beast, but he just seems to be one of those guys who never gets it mentally, both in a BBIQ sense, especially in the big moment, and just as an in general both in basketball practice and off court as a human.

I don't think he's some horrible dude, but he just seems like a dick everyone hates, but he isn't prime Kobe, or prime Garnett or someone, whose going to anchor a title team as the man.
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Post#500 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:25 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:If the Pelicans are interested in Carroll, it's likely to lineup alongside Cousins & Davis, not to trade for Cousins or Davis (unless they're certain Cousins is going to walk). Maybe you can get a first round pick out of them, but you'd probably have to take on an unsavory contract like Asik or Hill.

Yup, this.
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