Harden-watch 2020

[Prokorov]

So, since when Tyler Herro is a better player than Caris or Spencer? because he went to the bubble NBA finals and played well? he wasn’t even a Top 3 ROY finalist or Top 5.

The Miami Heat emerged as a potential trade partner with the Houston Rockets for James Harden and they may be able to make a better offer than the Brooklyn Nets due to the value of Tyler Herro. The Heat, however, would be unable to beat an offer from the Philadelphia 76ers if they ever decide to make Ben Simmons available.


"Here's the bottom line," said Zach Lowe on his podcast. "I'm not sure any substantive talks have happened with any teams at this point. Let's just make that clear.

"I do think Tyler Herro as a single trade piece trumps anything the Nets can offer. Now, whether it trumps the Nets throwing every pick and every swap and doing the same thing they did for the Celtics except a better player in his prime, that's TBD. But Tyler Herro I think is a more valuable trade piece than Caris LeVert and anything else the Nets can offer. He's not more valuable than Ben Simmons. If and when that discussion happens, if that ever is a thing, I think the Heat are at a disadvantage in that sense."

Spencer is a pending free and 7 years older then Herro.
Levert is 6 years older then Herro and makes 13 million more.

I think its very reasoable to say Herro is more desirable in a trade.

[therealbig3]

Let's not be homers, Herro is a 20 year old rookie and just had a really impressive playoff performance on a team that went to the Finals. Dominated the Celtics in the conference finals.

He's a stud with All-Star potential. And for a lot of teams around the league, I could see them preferring Herro as of today over Dinwiddie or Levert, given how good of a shooter he is already and how easy that is to fit into any sort of lineup. He's already a more proven playoff performer than either of them.

It's not really close, he definitely is a far more valuable trade piece than anyone we can offer. Depends if Miami is willing to offer him up or not.

Let's be real, compared to what other teams could offer (Simmons, Siakam, Brown, Herro), our offer is a joke. It's always been a question about whether or not those teams were willing to offer those young stars for 2 years of Harden. That hasn't changed from the beginning. As soon as one of them gets offered, Harden is going there and Houston doesn't give us a second thought.

[MrDollarBills]

Herro is a good player but you put him in the situations that LeVert and Dinwiddie have been in and he would struggle big time.

I agree that he has a higher trade value, but acting like LeVert and Dinwiddie are garbage is a bit much

And truthfully if Miami trades their young talent so that Jimmy Butler and James Harden can butt heads, by all means let them go for it.

[ecuhus1981]

Herro is a good player but you put him in the situations that LeVert and Dinwiddie have been in and he would struggle big time.

I agree that he has a higher trade value, but acting like LeVert and Dinwiddie are garbage is a bit much

And truthfully if Miami trades their young talent so that Jimmy Butler and James Harden can butt heads, by all means let them go for it.

I agree with ALL of this.

Firstly, Herro may or may not have higher value. 3 years of cheap rookie-scale salary is nice, but I'm not convinced he'll for certain end up better than either Levert or Dinwiddie. I'm not just clicking up for our guys, advanced predictive stats indicate a pretty "meh" prospect, not a surefire future All-Star. I give the young gun his due respect, he lit up a really good defense in the EC Finals. BUT, how far down the scouting report was he? Was he even a footnote?

Secondly, I don't think that he, Nunn and expirings beats our offer for Harden. It would take Robinson's inclusion to outbid us, and I believe Riley won't do that. I wouldn't blame him for turning it down, either. However fluke-y we may think their run to the Finals was (I feel that the Bubble was tailor made for their FoE culture), they have to believe they already have the formula for success. No need to upset the apple cart, AND pull yourself out of the FA running for an MVP just to snag his runner-up. No disrespect to James, I don't see the rationale for Miami to drop trou.

[Paradise]

Herro is a good player but you put him in the situations that LeVert and Dinwiddie have been in and he would struggle big time.

I agree that he has a higher trade value, but acting like LeVert and Dinwiddie are garbage is a bit much

And truthfully if Miami trades their young talent so that Jimmy Butler and James Harden can butt heads, by all means let them go for it.

That was basically my whole point. Thank You. This board still reeks of self hate...still can’t appreciate our own unless they leave.

It’s not being a homer to clearly see how vastly overrated Tyler Herro is and it’s not some secret in the Nets forum. It’s a well known conversation since ESPN rated him better than Kyrie and multiple stars but some of y’all must be okay with that because everyone wants to be some high class fan. It’s okay to admit the kid is being overrated for the Bubble. I think he’s pretty good but I’d make that argument 1-2 years from now.

The kid is nice but he’s not that good to be the MAIN centerpiece to James Harden because he’s 21 years old and had some really good shooting games in the Finals. Where’s Duncan Robinson in this conversation then? The kid looks really solid but he’s rookie, now entering sophomore. I’ve seen rookies and I’ve seen them flame out as well. I’m still waiting to see. I said the same with Dinwiddie, Russell, LeVert.

- I’ve seen Dinwiddie destroy Harden IN Houston while he has 56 points. I’ve also seen him get better every single year regardless of contracts.

- I’ve seen LeVert drop the most efficient 50 point game in Boston and followed that with a 24/8/5 line in the Bubble with little help from real NBA players.

I’m okay with our package not measuring up to Harden but I won’t ever agree with some nonsense that LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen COMBINED is worse than getting Tyler Herro by himself or with Kendrick Nunn.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The problem with the Heat deal is that they don't even have their own pick until 2027!

Is Herro, Robinson and 1 pick better than Allen, Levert and the 3 picks we can offer?

I don't really think so. You can potentially find all stars late in the first round. We've seen it happen so many times.

[MrDollarBills]

Herro is a good player but you put him in the situations that LeVert and Dinwiddie have been in and he would struggle big time.

I agree that he has a higher trade value, but acting like LeVert and Dinwiddie are garbage is a bit much

And truthfully if Miami trades their young talent so that Jimmy Butler and James Harden can butt heads, by all means let them go for it.

That was basically my whole point. Thank You. This board still reeks of self hate...still can’t appreciate our own unless they leave.

It’s not being a homer to clearly see how vastly overrated Tyler Herro is and it’s not some secret in the Nets forum. It’s a well known conversation since ESPN rated him better than Kyrie and multiple stars but some of y’all must be okay with that because everyone wants to be some high class fan. It’s okay to admit the kid is being overrated for the Bubble. I think he’s pretty good but I’d make that argument 1-2 years from now.

The kid is nice but he’s not that good to be the MAIN centerpiece to James Harden because he’s 21 years old and had some really good shooting games in the Finals. Where’s Duncan Robinson in this conversation then? The kid looks really solid but he’s rookie, now entering sophomore. I’ve seen rookies and I’ve seen them flame out as well. I’m still waiting to see. I said the same with Dinwiddie, Russell, LeVert.

- I’ve seen Dinwiddie destroy Harden IN Houston while he has 56 points. I’ve also seen him get better every single year regardless of contracts.

- I’ve seen LeVert drop the most efficient 50 point game in Boston and followed that with a 24/8/5 line in the Bubble with little help from real NBA players.

I’m okay with our package not measuring up to Harden but I won’t ever agree with some nonsense that LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen COMBINED is worse than getting Tyler Herro by himself or with Kendrick Nunn.

How come Bam's name isn't in the conversation?

So people think the Nets should trade Kyrie for Harden and Miami gives up Tyler Herro as their centerpiece?

That's a leap.

[StepBackCrack]

Herro is so overrated it's crazy to me. Put him on an average team and he would look way worse.

[StepBackCrack]

Harden to Miami or Philly won't worry me much. Both will have to pay a heavy price for him. If I were Philly, I wouldn't trade Simmons at all. That's crazy talk to me. He is only 24 and has the potential to be a legit superstar in this league. For Miami, they will have to gut their depth and bet that Harden and Butler never clash and make it work perfectly lol. Good luck with that.

[Hello Brooklyn]

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Bruh I'm out on Harden. Is this the kind of guy we want to bet the farm on?

No thanks.

[therealbig3]

Tyler Herro might be overrated, but he's a good player and he's only 20. Dinwiddie and Levert are who they are at this point and are already 27 and 26 respectively. Potential is much higher with Herro.

And Lowe was saying that Herro was more valuable as a single trade piece compared to any single trade piece the Nets could offer. Which is true, he's a more valuable asset than Dinwiddie or Levert or Allen when you take age and contract into account (Levert and Dinwiddie are significantly older, Allen is a pending RFA).

It's not self-hatred, it's just being objective. No GM would take any one of those guys over Herro if they had the choice. And Lowe also did make the point that when you start talking about draft picks, then yeah, it becomes a different story.

[MrDollarBills]

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Bruh I'm out on Harden. Is this the kind of guy we want to bet the farm on?

No thanks.

Someone was really enjoying their time off he's been eating wings and drinking $1k bottles in the covid clubs.

Dude will still go out there and drop buckets though lets be real. Either way, I'm good with seeing what we have here already.

[haosmoove]

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Bruh I'm out on Harden. Is this the kind of guy we want to bet the farm on?

No thanks.

Someone was really enjoying their time off he's been eating wings and drinking $1k bottles in the covid clubs.

Dude will still go out there and drop buckets though lets be real. Either way, I'm good with seeing what we have here already.

Maybe it will lower Rocket's asking price?

[DarkXaero]

Tyler Herro might be overrated, but he's a good player and he's only 20. Dinwiddie and Levert are who they are at this point and are already 27 and 26 respectively. Potential is much higher with Herro.

And Lowe was saying that Herro was more valuable as a single trade piece compared to any single trade piece the Nets could offer. Which is true, he's a more valuable asset than Dinwiddie or Levert or Allen when you take age and contract into account (Levert and Dinwiddie are significantly older, Allen is a pending RFA).

It's not self-hatred, it's just being objective. No GM would take any one of those guys over Herro if they had the choice. And Lowe also did make the point that when you start talking about draft picks, then yeah, it becomes a different story.

Miami don't have 1st round picks to offer though so I don't know why their name keeps being propped up. Unless you believe Herro has superstar potential, that's a weak offer for Harden.

[MrDollarBills]

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Bruh I'm out on Harden. Is this the kind of guy we want to bet the farm on?

No thanks.

Someone was really enjoying their time off he's been eating wings and drinking $1k bottles in the covid clubs.

Dude will still go out there and drop buckets though lets be real. Either way, I'm good with seeing what we have here already.

Maybe it will lower Rocket's asking price?

Their asking price was going to be lower regardless of Harden putting on weight. No one is giving up the kind of capital that they are asking for.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Philly is looking good to be honest. I would NOT trade Simmons for Harden if I were them. Very good chance he leaves in 2 years and Simmons is locked up long term.

[MrDollarBills]

Philly is looking good to be honest. I would NOT trade Simmons for Harden if I were them. Very good chance he leaves in 2 years and Simmons is locked up long term.

Simmons needs to get over his fear of shooting. I'm still perplexed as to why this guy won't shoot jumpers.

However, Daryl Morey isn't stupid, he surrounded Simmons and Embiid with shooters and all of a sudden Philly looks smooth as hell on offense with Seth Curry, Danny Green and Tobias Harris to space the floor.

They will be a formidable opponent.

[therealbig3]

Tyler Herro might be overrated, but he's a good player and he's only 20. Dinwiddie and Levert are who they are at this point and are already 27 and 26 respectively. Potential is much higher with Herro.

And Lowe was saying that Herro was more valuable as a single trade piece compared to any single trade piece the Nets could offer. Which is true, he's a more valuable asset than Dinwiddie or Levert or Allen when you take age and contract into account (Levert and Dinwiddie are significantly older, Allen is a pending RFA).

It's not self-hatred, it's just being objective. No GM would take any one of those guys over Herro if they had the choice. And Lowe also did make the point that when you start talking about draft picks, then yeah, it becomes a different story.

Miami don't have 1st round picks to offer though so I don't know why their name keeps being propped up. Unless you believe Herro has superstar potential, that's a weak offer for Harden.

I agree, it's a weak offer, because they don't have a bunch of 1st rounders to offer, definitely weaker than what we're offering. I didn't realize they don't have a handful of picks to include with Herro.

[MrDollarBills]

Tyler Herro might be overrated, but he's a good player and he's only 20. Dinwiddie and Levert are who they are at this point and are already 27 and 26 respectively. Potential is much higher with Herro.

And Lowe was saying that Herro was more valuable as a single trade piece compared to any single trade piece the Nets could offer. Which is true, he's a more valuable asset than Dinwiddie or Levert or Allen when you take age and contract into account (Levert and Dinwiddie are significantly older, Allen is a pending RFA).

It's not self-hatred, it's just being objective. No GM would take any one of those guys over Herro if they had the choice. And Lowe also did make the point that when you start talking about draft picks, then yeah, it becomes a different story.

Miami don't have 1st round picks to offer though so I don't know why their name keeps being propped up. Unless you believe Herro has superstar potential, that's a weak offer for Harden.

I agree, it's a weak offer, because they don't have a bunch of 1st rounders to offer, definitely weaker than what we're offering. I didn't realize they don't have a handful of picks to include with Herro.

How is it that Tyler Herro is = Kyrie Irving though? The Rockets set the asking price for the Nets at either Durant or Irving and yet we're sitting here talking about a 13ppg scorer who relies heavily on the talent around him to be effective?

[therealbig3]

Miami don't have 1st round picks to offer though so I don't know why their name keeps being propped up. Unless you believe Herro has superstar potential, that's a weak offer for Harden.

I agree, it's a weak offer, because they don't have a bunch of 1st rounders to offer, definitely weaker than what we're offering. I didn't realize they don't have a handful of picks to include with Herro.

How is it that Tyler Herro is = Kyrie Irving though? The Rockets set the asking price for the Nets at either Durant or Irving and yet we're sitting here talking about a 13ppg scorer who relies heavily on the talent around him to be effective?

I mean we're not actually offering Kyrie or Durant though. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, I think Herro is more valuable as a single trade asset than any individual player that we're realistically offering. Like Dinwiddie, or Levert, or Allen. No, don't think he's as valuable as Kyrie either, but I really didn't even consider Kyrie when I said that about Herro, because Kyrie just isn't remotely an option as far as I'm concerned.