kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

Post #501 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:42 am

wichmae wrote:I believe youre thinking of Elgin Baylor.

Gary Sacks actually.

machu46 · Post #502 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:42 am

deepblueday wrote:
machu46 wrote:
deepblueday wrote:this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

no money, no fans, a **** town, no good players, no prospect of acquiring any good players, and no chance of keeping the ones that you might happen to draft? that enough reasons for you? there is no chance kidd smoothly rides out three years of miserable losing... either theres no progress... likely. after a year or so, theres some progress, but delusional fans/owners think there should be more and its the coaches fault... possible. or kidd just absolutely flames out and wraps his car around a tree again... hope not.

Oh alright, that makes sense. Thanks for your reasonable and logical response.

deepblueday · Post #503 » by **deepblueday** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:48 am

hope you stick around and bump this in two years when kidd is still valiantly steering the milwaukee tank. or even four or five years from now when theyve "grown together" into real contenders!

Paradise · Post #504 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:54 am

machu46 wrote:
deepblueday wrote:this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

Milwaukee is definitely not the worst situation in the NBA but the Nets offered him a much better situation and a homecoming opportunity. He wanted to 'win now' which is why the Pierce/KG trade happened. He also was intrigued with coaching Deron Williams despite being his close friend and pupil.

The Bucks offer a long term rebuild which is great but I find it hard to believe Kidd is joining just to be a coach. Especially, if he was recruiting and giving input in draft decisions all this week as a member of the Nets.

machu46 · Post #505 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:57 am

Paradise wrote:
machu46 wrote:
deepblueday wrote:this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

Milwaukee is definitely not the worst situation in the NBA but the Nets offered him a much better situation and a homecoming opportunity. He wanted to 'win now' which is why the Pierce/KG happened. He also was intrigued with coaching Deron Williams despite being his close friend and pupil.

The Bucks offer a long term rebuild which is great but I find it hard to believe Kidd is joining just to be a coach. Especially, if he was recruiting and giving input in draft decisions all this week as a member of the Nets.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just think that bigblue guy's opinion was ridiculous lol. Brooklyn would definitely be a better job to have. Even with such an aging team, you'll always be able to reload in Brooklyn.

But I don't think Milwaukee is really a bad gig for a young coach like himself right now with the new owners, new stadium likely coming, and a bunch of young players, two of which have the potential to be all-star caliber guys down the line.

deepblueday · Post #506 » by **deepblueday** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:05 am

buddy, i dont two **** about mil and neither does anyone else outside of wisconsin. my post was primarily about kidd, whose career actually does interest me. you can continue to operate under the delusion that the bucks will ever do anything, and ill continue with my ridiculous opinions that coaches who steward over years of losing for low tier NBA franchises have significantly damaged their career prospects. im sure well both get along just fine.

Paradise · Post #507 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:06 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/483461548556689408[/tweet]

Ayt · Post #508 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:08 am

Rich Rane wrote:
Bish wrote:I really think the Nets should just take whatever they can get and run from Kidd. You're getting compensation for a guy who isn't that great of a head coach and will likely be fired if nothing happens. 1st rounders are for guys at the level of Doc Rivers

What Kidd and Rivers are worth isn't exactly everything. It's Adam Silver's involvement looking into this.

I'm loving how you think the Nets are actually going to get anything out of this in terms of tampering.

Rich Rane wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I'll wager that the shenanigans between Kidd and the Bucks went on well before the Nets granted permission.

Kidd's knew damn well that he could pull that move because he had a fallback in place.

I'm not sure why he would if he didn't have that unless Kidd is an idiot or...you know...glug glug.

Or the supposed "power grab" is BS leaked by the Nets. Of course, that couldn't be the case considering the Nets were the only ones who had anything to gain from this story getting leaked in the first place.

Paradise · Post #509 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:21 am

machu46 wrote:
Paradise wrote:
machu46 wrote:
What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

Milwaukee is definitely not the worst situation in the NBA but the Nets offered him a much better situation and a homecoming opportunity. He wanted to 'win now' which is why the Pierce/KG happened. He also was intrigued with coaching Deron Williams despite being his close friend and pupil.

The Bucks offer a long term rebuild which is great but I find it hard to believe Kidd is joining just to be a coach. Especially, if he was recruiting and giving input in draft decisions all this week as a member of the Nets.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just think that bigblue guy's opinion was ridiculous lol. Brooklyn would definitely be a better job to have. Even with such an aging team, you'll always be able to reload in Brooklyn.

But I don't think Milwaukee is really a bad gig for a young coach like himself right now with the new owners, new stadium likely coming, and a bunch of young players, two of which have the potential to be all-star caliber guys down the line.

That's if Kidd doesn't get bored and jumpship during the rebuilding process. He wanted to be apart of a perennial playoff team and now he wants to join a rebuilding team.

He burned bridges with everyone that were friendly with him in the Nets organization. I wholeheartedly don't expect him to change. It's a very big risk from the Bucks perspective.

Post #510 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:23 am

Ayt wrote:Or the supposed "power grab" is BS leaked by the Nets. Of course, that couldn't be the case considering the Nets were the only ones who had anything to gain from this story getting leaked in the first place.

The "supposed" power grab is the first post of this thread. Did you care to read it? It's the seed of everything that's been leaked the last 48 hours.

Twinkie defense · Post #511 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:23 am

It's funny seeing some Nets fans basically say, Kidd's a cancer, good riddance... Oh but you can't have him, we insist on keeping and paying him :lol:

machu46 · Post #512 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:23 am

Paradise wrote:
machu46 wrote:
Paradise wrote:Milwaukee is definitely not the worst situation in the NBA but the Nets offered him a much better situation and a homecoming opportunity. He wanted to 'win now' which is why the Pierce/KG happened. He also was intrigued with coaching Deron Williams despite being his close friend and pupil.

The Bucks offer a long term rebuild which is great but I find it hard to believe Kidd is joining just to be a coach. Especially, if he was recruiting and giving input in draft decisions all this week as a member of the Nets.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just think that bigblue guy's opinion was ridiculous lol. Brooklyn would definitely be a better job to have. Even with such an aging team, you'll always be able to reload in Brooklyn.

But I don't think Milwaukee is really a bad gig for a young coach like himself right now with the new owners, new stadium likely coming, and a bunch of young players, two of which have the potential to be all-star caliber guys down the line.

That's if Kidd doesn't get bored and jumpship during the rebuilding process. He wanted to be apart of a perennial playoff team and now he wants to join a rebuilding team.

He burned bridges with everyone that were friendly with him in the Nets organization. I wholeheartedly don't expect him to change. It's a very big risk from the Bucks perspective.

Agreed, which is why I hope that Milwaukee's owners are smart enough decide that if Brooklyn doesn't accept a 2nd round pick, we just simply move on to other coaching candidates and call it a day. The owners have said over and over that Milwaukee will be built through the draft and that we aren't going to sacrifice any of our first round picks to speed up the rebuilding process. I would hope that that applies to this situation as well.

Ayt · Post #513 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:24 am

Paradise wrote:
machu46 wrote:
Paradise wrote:

Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

You do realize the Bucks are the reason why the relationship disintegrated, right? Everything was fine up until the meeting on Friday with Milwaukee. He demanded a raise and more power after meeting with the Bucks. He would have still been the coach of this team lf Milwaukee ownership didn't flirt with him.

Thursday, he was at the press conference for the new training facility talking about next season. He's at the draft with Billy King and two days later, he wants to leave for Milwaukee only. How are the Bucks not responsible? I understand and quite aware of where the Bucks situation but a 1st round pick is deserving. The Knicks and Celtics received 1st round picks when they had this situation. That's the market for possible tampering charges and that should be where it is now.

You do realize you are making an assumption based on unsubstantiated rumors, right?

Ayt · Post #514 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:29 am

Rich Rane wrote:
Ayt wrote:Or the supposed "power grab" is BS leaked by the Nets. Of course, that couldn't be the case considering the Nets were the only ones who had anything to gain from this story getting leaked in the first place.

The "supposed" power grab is the first post of this thread. Did you care to read it? It's the seed of everything that's been leaked the last 48 hours.

And? Who leaked it and why? The Bucks gain nothing from this leaking, but the Nets get a bunch of positive press from people who gobble this info up. It has already proven to be bull **** in terms of Kidd being hired as anything more than a coach.

This is a story about a Nets legend leaving after one year of coaching and, lo!, it is being slanted towards the Nets in a positive light! How could we ever see through this!

Paradise · Post #515 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:30 am

Ayt wrote:
Paradise wrote:
machu46 wrote:
Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

You do realize the Bucks are the reason why the relationship disintegrated, right? Everything was fine up until the meeting on Friday with Milwaukee. He demanded a raise and more power after meeting with the Bucks. He would have still been the coach of this team lf Milwaukee ownership didn't flirt with him.

Thursday, he was at the press conference for the new training facility talking about next season. He's at the draft with Billy King and two days later, he wants to leave for Milwaukee only. How are the Bucks not responsible? I understand and quite aware of where the Bucks situation but a 1st round pick is deserving. The Knicks and Celtics received 1st round picks when they had this situation. That's the market for possible tampering charges and that should be where it is now.

You do realize you are making an assumption based on unsubstantiated rumors, right?

We all are. At the end of the day, based off of what we all know this escalated with Milwaukee's interest.

Ayt · Post #516 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:33 am

My point is you don't know ****. The Nets have every reason to release info that massively slants in their favor while the Bucks would want all of this to take place behind closed doors.

Like I said in my last post, a Nets legend could potentially be leaving after only one year on the job as the coach and it is being reported as a huge positive story for the Nets. If all of this had taken place behind closed doors and it was announced that Kidd was leaving the Nets to coach the Bucks for a conditional 2nd round pick in 2016, what would the response be?

FlagsFlyForever · Post #517 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:33 am

Paradise wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/483461548556689408[/tweet]

The Bucks aren't going to say Kidd is only going to coach, give the Nets a 2nd, and bring him in as something more than just head coach. Adam Silver would have something to say about that.

Post #518 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:41 am

Ayt wrote:And? Who leaked it and why? The Bucks gain nothing from this leaking, but the Nets get a bunch of positive press from people who gobble this info up. It has already proven to be bull **** in terms of Kidd being hired as anything more than a coach.

Why does it have to be either side that leaked it with some ulterior motive again?

Ayt · Post #519 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:42 am

Rich Rane wrote:
Ayt wrote:And? Who leaked it and why? The Bucks gain nothing from this leaking, but the Nets get a bunch of positive press from people who gobble this info up. It has already proven to be bull **** in terms of Kidd being hired as anything more than a coach.

Why does it have to be either side that leaked it with some ulterior motive again?

What benefit is there for the Bucks for this to become public before completion?

Post #520 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:45 am

Ayt wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
Ayt wrote:And? Who leaked it and why? The Bucks gain nothing from this leaking, but the Nets get a bunch of positive press from people who gobble this info up. It has already proven to be bull **** in terms of Kidd being hired as anything more than a coach.

Why does it have to be either side that leaked it with some ulterior motive again?

What benefit is there for the Bucks for this to become public before completion?

Why does the person leaking share his information to leak it on RealGM of all places and not a more well-known reporter? Is it possible the person who leaked the information could really just be friends with the OP?