2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Ror1997]

Official reports arent the only way of hearing about things. There was buzz the entire week leading up to his contract that the Nets would sign OPJ.

Haven't heard anything on the KCP front.

If its not an "official report" then it is purely speculation. The exact same speculation KCP and the nets got after detroit renounced his rights.

KCP has been linked to the Nets in the exact same way OPJ was. The same way Carroll was. The same way the DLo trade was.

There was reported interest in the player/type of transaction and nothing else. No reported FA meetings. No reported negotiations. Nothing. Just speculation based on purely on fit/agenda. Show me one tweet from a trusted source that even said the nets opened contract negotiations with Porter.

You literally said the buzz was coming from unofficial reports. That means the buzz was coming from nowhere.

What are you talking about?

You understand the difference between speculation and reporting right?

There is usually speculation on a contract or trade when it happens. It usually doesn't happen out of the blue.

The Otto Porter contract was being talked every day of the week before it actually happened.

I haven't heard anyone saying anything about KCP being offered anything except the Lakers contract since his rights were renounced.

You mean we talked about it here, or it was being reported around the league? Because there's 2 different things. There were NO reports about the Nets and Porter except that we had interest. You can't just pretend something happened a different way then it did to fit your agenda. We talked about it here everyday, but that doesn't mean **** about the nets negotiations with Porter.

"You didn't hear one thing about KCP being offered a contract"

Show me the report that says the nets offered OPJ a contract? Really, show me. Besides Shams tweeting they agreed to the contract there were no reports of negotiations.

They were linked to him. Just like they're linked to KCP. That's it.

"There's a difference between speculation and reporting"

Do you know that difference?

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

Hmmmmm. Seems like you just proved my point. Thanks.

[MrDollarBills]

I wonder if Marks is banking on being the 3rd team in a Knicks/Rockets trade for Carmelo Anthony. IMO, it makes more sense than KCP, though probably not as much as just signing JaMychal Green/filler, or possibly doing nothing at all.

A deal something like this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycuytjv5

Except that BRK also gets a HOU 1st, HOU 2nd, and possibly Hartenstein or Zhou Qi (not included in the trade machine link, but they'd both work). Almost no chance HOU adds any of Gordon/Ariza. They need both for their playoff run.

Knicks want a straight salary dump, so the trade machine deal would be better for them if they received one year of Trevor Booker instead of 3 years of Nicholson, but if they get desperate to unload Melo, they might bite the bullet. All the other HOU contracts are unguaranteed, so those contracts vanish with immediate cuts. Basically, the Knicks would trade away Melo's 50M/2years for Nicholson's 18M/3years. That's a relatively decent salary-dump, and they don't have much options, as I doubt any other team would take Anderson except the Nets or Blazers (and it's much trickier for the Blazers to do it). With Booker, they'd get Melo's 50M/2 years off for 9M/1year. Obviously better for them, but I think the Knicks would bite on Nicholson's contract with how badly they seem to want to move Melo. If this happens, Hartenstein/Zhou end up with either the Knicks or Nets--I'm assuming the Knicks--as otherwise, they'd be eating Nicholson just for a Melo dump, and that's too depressing... They'd at least want some sort of legit asset added.

HOU obviously would get Melo, as they wish. They pay a 1st, 2nd, and one young prospect for their troubles. That's about the right amount for them to pay to get rid of Anderson. I don't think Morey would go as high as two 1sts, though that would be the dream.

Either way, Nets get their stretch 4, some draft picks, and Anderson's 20m/year for 3 years--which isn't as bad as it initially sounds if you factor in that you got rid of Nicholson's 6M/year over 3 years. It's basically a net surplus of adding Anderson for 14m/year for 3 years, and you get a few picks out of it. Nets end up with two low 1st RD Picks again in 2018, then they get their own pick once again in 2019.

Nice trade. One problem tho, is that it seems like DMC would be able to play that stretch four role?

DMC is playing SF imo

[MrDollarBills]

I think that the Nets should at least see what they could possibly get out of getting involved in the Houston/NY scenario. If we can get a 1st, a prospect to take back with some dumped salary i think you'd have to listen.

I still want KCP though, I think despite the knock about his FG% he will be the perfect fit here with us

[Ror1997]

Its getting crazy quiet on KCP.

Seems like teams are not interested except for the Lakers on a one year deal.

Was pretty dead on Otto Porter. Heard he set up a meeting with the Jazz and agreed to the Nets offer sheet 30 mins later. I don't think the quietness means much.

Actually the quietness is making me think we have a deal in place for him and since Marks runs a tight ship we wont hear about it until the Porter match is official. When the best FA left on the market isn't even making a peep in the news something is up.

Yeah these were my initial thoughts as well. It just feels like something's up.

[Roddy B for 3]

Would a Powell + multiple 2nds or a Wes + a top 10 protected 1st be enough to get a deal done?

[Ror1997]

Would a Powell + multiple 2nds or a Wes + a top 10 protected 1st be enough to get a deal done?

Depending how the KCP situation works out but I think the nets could potentially be open to both deals.

[Antti22]

I dont see it. We seem to have quite distinct strategy for salary dumps too, as we are looking players who have a bad contract, but could be useful and playable for us. Who fit in our system. Nicholson seems to be the lone exception this far, but he has smallish contract.

[ackypoo]

What's wrong with Henson?

we wont play him.
hes not good.
he doesnt hustle.

That's too bad, wanted him when Lopez was here. What a waste of talent, could have been a very good shot blocker. Did he hustle before getting the contract?

no. he had one good playoff series where he showed up then we gave him this deal. it was a terrible deal then and looks even worse since. not sure how you give a guy 4/40 or whatever and then decrease his minutes and bring in greg monroe. bucks basketball, i guess.

[steady]

I dont see it. We seem to have quite distinct strategy for salary dumps too, as we are looking players who have a bad contract, but could be useful and playable for us. Who fit in our system. Nicholson seems to be the lone exception this far, but he has smallish contract.

Yes and we took on his contract at a time when the market was very different from what it is now. Space has really dried up.

[Netaman]

How would Nets fans feel about Wesley Matthews (18.5M this season, player option at 19.5M next season) + Dwight Powell + 2 2nd rounders + Dallas' 2018 1st top 6 protected (indefinitely) for cap space?

We don't have enough cap space for that deal.

But otherwise I would do it.

Yeah we'd be about 7M short to be able to absorb both Powell and Matthews. Not a bad trade, just not enough room unless Dallas would also take back a few contracts (most likely Nicholson because I don't think the Nets would be willing to include any expiring deals or else they'd have no room next year).

[Netaman]

I wonder if Marks is banking on being the 3rd team in a Knicks/Rockets trade for Carmelo Anthony. IMO, it makes more sense than KCP, though probably not as much as just signing JaMychal Green/filler, or possibly doing nothing at all.

A deal something like this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycuytjv5

Except that BRK also gets a HOU 1st, HOU 2nd, and possibly Hartenstein or Zhou Qi (not included in the trade machine link, but they'd both work). Almost no chance HOU adds any of Gordon/Ariza. They need both for their playoff run.

Knicks want a straight salary dump, so the trade machine deal would be better for them if they received one year of Trevor Booker instead of 3 years of Nicholson, but if they get desperate to unload Melo, they might bite the bullet. All the other HOU contracts are unguaranteed, so those contracts vanish with immediate cuts. Basically, the Knicks would trade away Melo's 50M/2years for Nicholson's 18M/3years. That's a relatively decent salary-dump, and they don't have much options, as I doubt any other team would take Anderson except the Nets or Blazers (and it's much trickier for the Blazers to do it). With Booker, they'd get Melo's 50M/2 years off for 9M/1year. Obviously better for them, but I think the Knicks would bite on Nicholson's contract with how badly they seem to want to move Melo. If this happens, Hartenstein/Zhou end up with either the Knicks or Nets--I'm assuming the Knicks--as otherwise, they'd be eating Nicholson just for a Melo dump, and that's too depressing... They'd at least want some sort of legit asset added.

HOU obviously would get Melo, as they wish. They pay a 1st, 2nd, and one young prospect for their troubles. That's about the right amount for them to pay to get rid of Anderson. I don't think Morey would go as high as two 1sts, though that would be the dream.

Either way, Nets get their stretch 4, some draft picks, and Anderson's 20m/year for 3 years--which isn't as bad as it initially sounds if you factor in that you got rid of Nicholson's 6M/year over 3 years. It's basically a net surplus of adding Anderson for 14m/year for 3 years, and you get a few picks out of it. Nets end up with two low 1st RD Picks again in 2018, then they get their own pick once again in 2019.

I like this deal, but I think ideally we'd get 1 more decent pick somewhere since we're taking on 1 extra year of salary compared to the Carroll deal. As you mentioned it's almost the same amount of net cap space per year after factoring in Nicholson, but whereas Carroll had only 2 seasons remaining Anderson has 3. Therefore I think the draft picks returned needs to be better than what we got from Toronto. Maybe another distant future 1st from HOU or a 2nd from Knicks if they own their own pick in the next couple years? The Knicks seem to make out too well, basically dumping Melo for free and barely taking back any salary.

[vincecarter4pres]

You have to get back multiple lightly protected 1st's and maybe an additional prospect to take on Ryan Anderson, that contract is vomit inducing. Also, Houston already traded a 1st to LAC to get CP3, if it were their own, we're getting into 1st's, way down the line.

[CalamityX12]

How about teams dont help other teams land superstars....lol

[vincecarter4pres]

How about teams dont help other teams land superstars....lol

Friends don't let friends, drink and draft.

[brook]

I don't like Anderson and his contract but oh well, he rebounding and shot threes. Our frontcourt have lack of shooting. If we dump Nicholson in this deal, Anderson in fact call 14 million/year over three years instead of 20. If Houston and/or NY give us a first, a second and a young prospect like Hartenstein, is not that bad for us I think.

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[vincecarter4pres]

I don't like Anderson and his contract but oh well, he rebounding and shot threes. Our frontcourt have lack of shooting. If we dump Nicholson in this deal, Anderson in fact call 14 million/year over three years instead of 20. If Houston and/or NY give us a first, a second and a young prospect like Hartenstein, is not that bad for us I think.

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I completely missed Nicholsen being in there. I still don't love it, but if it were something like the '18 Knix first with light protection(like top 6 or top 8 at best) and Houston's 2020 1st with reasonable protections and both eventually go unprotected, I can definitely dig that.

[CalamityX12]

I'd take a Knicks 1st top 3 protected, Hartenstein from Houston and their 2nd for sure with RA.....

[brook]

I really doubt NY give away a first to dump Anthony. Houston first, Hartenstein, NY second and NIcholson dump will be ok for me.

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[CalamityX12]

The Brooklyn Nets > The Brooklyn Projects > The Brooklyn Cap Space > The Brooklyn Dump!!!!

[NyCeEvO]

We should just wait till next FA to sign Bradley to a big deal instead.

As others have said, Bradley is 6'2". At that height, he needs to play the 1 unless he's paired with an allstar guard like IT or a much taller guard.

Since Kenny wants multiple ballhandlers in a lineup, I don't see him playing alongside JLin or DAR in the starting lineup. The max I'd be willing to give him is a 5yr/$80mil since I don't want to allocate that much money to a bench player.

I do believe Bradley is probably worth that much, if not more, but due to the makeup of our team, I don't think we can afford to give him more than that if we want to be able to have money for our other starters.

Bradley would play 2 where he always has. We could let Lin walk, move Russell to 1, and play Bradley at 2. Russell would be a tall PG at 6'5". Bradley is worth more than KCP, he's actually a two-way player, who has improved each season. It wouldn't surprise me to see him have a great season in Detroit.

If Bradley starts we would no longer have multiple ballhandlers and more importantly, penetrators, in the lineup. This alongside shooting are the two skillsets that Kenny has preached about the most.

Lin and DAR actually penetrate and create for others. Bradley is a good shooter and would benefit from such penetration but he cannot do that himself.