This offseason

[MrDollarBills]

Who cares who. The development team is drooling.

Nah I'd rather keep Lopez and draft a center that can be groomed behind him. That's the more sensible approach and keeps the team competitive in the interim. Dumping Lopez with zero scoring to replace him is counter productive.

i think we would be much more competitive if we could trap or switch on pick and rolls.... and i think next year is a great time to finally start transitinoning our scoring from C to wing.

If we have a 2nd C that can do that to throw in there to add balance, we can be competitive.

Dumping Lopez, not replacing his scoring and shooting, and thinking we're going to be beating teams doesn't seem realistic just as much as it isn't realistic for us to succeed without being able to defend the pick and roll. There needs to be a balanced approach, it doesn't have to be either or. Lopez, for all of his faults, does help the team, especially with his offensive game where it's at now (more modern) and is still our best player.

I want the Nets to transition to a center that can defend and rebound, but currently having a 7 footer who can score from inside and outside at a high level isn't a cancer to the team either.

That being said, I have no issue trading him, as long as what comes back is not bad salary. Pick, prospect or pick and expiring, but anything other than that is bad.

[MrDollarBills]

Some Bucks fan suggested in T&S board a trade offer that I think is pretty appealling

John Henson
17th pick

for
27th pick

I would try to add Trevor Booker and Sean Kilpatrick in this offer. What do you guys think?

I say we do it in a heartbeat if Justin Patton falls all the way to the 17th

Then trade Brook Lopez to a team like Sacramento for the 10th pick... I'll even sell him low just to get another draft pick. That way we get 3 in this draft.

We can even get Mitchell move Whitehead as a 3rd string to both guard positions. Which we can then add another playmaker at the wing position or look for stretch 4.

Our team can potentially look like:

Lin / Dinwiddie / Whitehead
Redick???? / Mitchell??? /Goodwin
LeVert / Kurucs???? /McDaniel
RHJ / Muscala??? / Acy
Patton??? / Henson / Nicholson

Why would Sacramento trade the 10th pick in the draft for a one year rental of Brook Lopez?

I'm just saying we can trade Lopez for the highest pick available in order for the team to have 3 picks in 10-15, 17, and 22. I doesn't necessarily need to be Sacramento. It's is going to be for the highest bidder.

We can also get OG. Instead of Kurucs or Mitchell. The flexibility and the many good option of this draft is key for getting as much potential assets for the future.

I do agree tho that if we trade Brook for a rook, that it will take a big hit in the win/lost department.

No one is trading picks for Lopez that are within striking range of picks 1-16. They'd be insane to do so.

[Prokorov]

If we have a 2nd C that can do that to throw in there to add balance, we can be competitive.

Dumping Lopez, not replacing his scoring and shooting, and thinking we're going to be beating teams doesn't seem realistic just as much as it isn't realistic for us to succeed without being able to defend the pick and roll. There needs to be a balanced approach, it doesn't have to be either or. Lopez, for all of his faults, does help the team, especially with his offensive game where it's at now (more modern) and is still our best player.

I think replacing his scoring is pretty easy... I think you give some of lopez volume to levert and he can go from 8ppg to 12ppg. I think its pretty reasonable we can get 6ppg from whomever our new center would be....

From there all we really would need to do is take lopez 22 million and give it to a SG replacement for foye who can get us 15 PPG (+10 on what foye gave)

theres your 20 points. and i dont think its at all that unreasonable or unachieveable:

give levert 4 or so more shots a game. i dont think 12 ppg is unreasonable.

The rookie C we draft or low to medium salary center who replaces lopez gives us 6 ppg. dont thinks this is unreasonable.

Go give 20 million a year to say Reddick who gets you 15 a game. dont think thats unreasonabe. (in fact we could probably get 15-20 if it was porter or someone better then reddick)

I want the Nets to transition to a center that can defend and rebound, but currently having a 7 footer who can score from inside and outside at a high level isn't a cancer to the team either.

That being said, I have no issue trading him, as long as what comes back is not bad salary. Pick, prospect or pick and expiring, but anything other than that is bad.

i dont think he is a cancer... i do think he really limits your ceiling... and i also think every second he is here is time this team and our young players could be developing in a modern defensive system where they will need to rotate off trapped pick and rolls. that chemistry and rotations takes a long time to build.

The ideal situation is we can find a center who can defend and start him over lopez by midseason moving lopez into the greg monroe roll similar to what the bucks did with thon maker moving monroe to bench scorer. thats really lopez best roll if your trying ot be competitive anyhow

[FlipFlopShot]

I see this decision with Lopez in two parts.

First, can we make up the offensive production he gives? Yes, I believe so, even with our current roster by spreading out the points and a rookie center. I'll go a step further and say that Lopez gives nearly as many of those point back with his defense.

Second, more importantly and very dependent on your opinion of Lopez, is does he give us a go-to-late-game production in the clutch that is very hard to reproduce? I don't know. Arguments can be made that Lin can step up or that we will have JJ Redick clutch balls.

Personally, if we don't see Lopez as the future, the sooner we let him go the sooner we can develop someone else.

[MrDollarBills]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

I agree with you completely. I think we can continue to add to what we currently have and as long as we remain healthy, I can see us reach 35-40 wins and if we get really lucky, a chance at the 8th seed

[Prokorov]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

I'm not sure where you get "overestimating from" as ive pretty much said i dont expect much(and actually hope we dont throw big money around at some of these guys). I think Reddick would be the biggest name we would get or otherwise maybe teodesic but who knows on him. I think Hill/Milsap are like less then a 5% chance.

I think we either sign reddick or end up giving 1+1 overpays to someone like tyreke evans or PJ tucker.

I think if they move on from lopez then its a high chance we do sign ilyasova or mirotic who i think are more realistic.

I dont even mind a year of lopez as long as we also bring in a center of the future type....if we can do something like draft a young center and move lopez to a greg monroe type bench role 1/2 to 2/3 through the season that would be ideal especially if we can then trade lopez at the deadline.

[Prokorov]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

I agree with you completely. I think we can continue to add to what we currently have and as long as we remain healthy, I can see us reach 35-40 wins and if we get really lucky, a chance at the 8th seed

thats nice but it would a consolation. the goal should again be development and finding our SG/C of the future and implementing a moden defense to go with last years modern offense. unless we add a couple 30 year old allstars like hill and milsap it doesnt make sense to change gears from development

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

I agree with you completely. I think we can continue to add to what we currently have and as long as we remain healthy, I can see us reach 35-40 wins and if we get really lucky, a chance at the 8th seed

thats nice but it would a consolation. the goal should again be development and finding our SG/C of the future and implementing a moden defense to go with last years modern offense. unless we add a couple 30 year old allstars like hill and milsap it doesnt make sense to change gears from development

If we find those future guys, but I would not be disappointed with continuing the development of rhj, revert, whitehead, dwinddle and two first round rookies from this draft is we stay pat. Not to mention any development we can get from other young guys lile mcindaniels and Goodw

[Mosdefinition]

Why would Sacramento trade the 10th pick in the draft for a one year rental of Brook Lopez?

I'm just saying we can trade Lopez for the highest pick available in order for the team to have 3 picks in 10-15, 17, and 22. I doesn't necessarily need to be Sacramento. It's is going to be for the highest bidder.

We can also get OG. Instead of Kurucs or Mitchell. The flexibility and the many good option of this draft is key for getting as much potential assets for the future.

I do agree tho that if we trade Brook for a rook, that it will take a big hit in the win/lost department.

No one is trading picks for Lopez that are within striking range of picks 1-16. They'd be insane to do so.

I disagree Charlotte is trying to win now I think their pick for Brook and maybe both the nets picks does it

[Prokorov]

I agree with you completely. I think we can continue to add to what we currently have and as long as we remain healthy, I can see us reach 35-40 wins and if we get really lucky, a chance at the 8th seed

thats nice but it would a consolation. the goal should again be development and finding our SG/C of the future and implementing a moden defense to go with last years modern offense. unless we add a couple 30 year old allstars like hill and milsap it doesnt make sense to change gears from development

If we find those future guys, but I would not be disappointed with continuing the development of rhj, revert, whitehead, dwinddle and two first round rookies from this draft is we stay pat. Not to mention any development we can get from other young guys lile mcindaniels and Goodw

same.... id love another season just like last year:

Shed weak defensive bigs for picks (thad last year brook this year)

add first round 2 way guys (levert last year #22 #27 this year)

buy second rounders and look for dleague gems(whitehead dinwidde...who knows this year)

Take a flier on some short term vets on 1 year deals(foye booker last year... maybe evans/tucker this year)

Then put the emphasis on development over winning and let these young rookies play and fail and eventually benefit from it. if it means 25 wins so be it but it will pay off in the long run

[Prokorov]

I'm just saying we can trade Lopez for the highest pick available in order for the team to have 3 picks in 10-15, 17, and 22. I doesn't necessarily need to be Sacramento. It's is going to be for the highest bidder.

We can also get OG. Instead of Kurucs or Mitchell. The flexibility and the many good option of this draft is key for getting as much potential assets for the future.

I do agree tho that if we trade Brook for a rook, that it will take a big hit in the win/lost department.

No one is trading picks for Lopez that are within striking range of picks 1-16. They'd be insane to do so.

I disagree Charlotte is trying to win now I think their pick for Brook and maybe both the nets picks does it

if they want to deal there pick for a win now guy there are much better options then lopez who doesnt move the needle

[Packers+NetsWIN]

thats nice but it would a consolation. the goal should again be development and finding our SG/C of the future and implementing a moden defense to go with last years modern offense. unless we add a couple 30 year old allstars like hill and milsap it doesnt make sense to change gears from development

If we find those future guys, but I would not be disappointed with continuing the development of rhj, revert, whitehead, dwinddle and two first round rookies from this draft is we stay pat. Not to mention any development we can get from other young guys lile mcindaniels and Goodw

same.... id love another season just like last year:

Shed weak defensive bigs for picks (thad last year brook this year)

add first round 2 way guys (levert last year #22 #27 this year)

buy second rounders and look for dleague gems(whitehead dinwidde...who knows this year)

Take a flier on some short term vets on 1 year deals(foye booker last year... maybe evans/tucker this year)

Then put the emphasis on development over winning and let these young rookies play and fail and eventually benefit from it. if it means 25 wins so be it but it will pay off in the long run

Great assessment. Honestly, regardless of what I would like to happen, this is probably what will happen. I except them to put out feelers for lopez for due diligence but marks won't like anything and will keep him.

[Prokorov]

If we find those future guys, but I would not be disappointed with continuing the development of rhj, revert, whitehead, dwinddle and two first round rookies from this draft is we stay pat. Not to mention any development we can get from other young guys lile mcindaniels and Goodw

same.... id love another season just like last year:

Shed weak defensive bigs for picks (thad last year brook this year)

add first round 2 way guys (levert last year #22 #27 this year)

buy second rounders and look for dleague gems(whitehead dinwidde...who knows this year)

Take a flier on some short term vets on 1 year deals(foye booker last year... maybe evans/tucker this year)

Then put the emphasis on development over winning and let these young rookies play and fail and eventually benefit from it. if it means 25 wins so be it but it will pay off in the long run

Great assessment. Honestly, regardless of what I would like to happen, this is probably what will happen. I except them to put out feelers for lopez for due diligence but marks won't like anything and will keep him.

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

same.... id love another season just like last year:

Shed weak defensive bigs for picks (thad last year brook this year)

add first round 2 way guys (levert last year #22 #27 this year)

buy second rounders and look for dleague gems(whitehead dinwidde...who knows this year)

Take a flier on some short term vets on 1 year deals(foye booker last year... maybe evans/tucker this year)

Then put the emphasis on development over winning and let these young rookies play and fail and eventually benefit from it. if it means 25 wins so be it but it will pay off in the long run

Great assessment. Honestly, regardless of what I would like to happen, this is probably what will happen. I except them to put out feelers for lopez for due diligence but marks won't like anything and will keep him.

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

I don't think it would be back breaking. His offense should translate well as he ages no matter where he is. I know you are adamant about his defense, but surrounding him with capable defensive players like levert, rhj, and hopefully two way players the nets draft this year

[NetSymptom]

Great assessment. Honestly, regardless of what I would like to happen, this is probably what will happen. I except them to put out feelers for lopez for due diligence but marks won't like anything and will keep him.

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

I don't think it would be back breaking. His offense should translate well as he ages no matter where he is. I know you are adamant about his defense, but surrounding him with capable defensive players like levert, rhj, and hopefully two way players the nets draft this year

His offense may translate well as he ages, but imagine how his defense will only get worse from here on out. I don't see the sense in extending some max/near-max deal to a C that has shown over time he isn't the type of player who is ever going to lead us anywhere.

We are going to be able to generate offense with our wings and ball movement in Kenny's system, so I don't think scoring should be the consideration with Lopez. We shouldn't be having to mask and hide a position that in reality should be serving as our defensive anchor.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

I don't think it would be back breaking. His offense should translate well as he ages no matter where he is. I know you are adamant about his defense, but surrounding him with capable defensive players like levert, rhj, and hopefully two way players the nets draft this year

His offense may translate well as he ages, but imagine how his defense will only get worse from here on out. I don't see the sense in extending some max/near-max deal to a C that has shown over time he isn't the type of player who is ever going to lead us anywhere.

We are going to be able to generate offense with our wings and ball movement in Kenny's system, so I don't think scoring should be the consideration with Lopez. We shouldn't be having to mask and hide a position that in reality should be serving as our defensive anchor.

It's been one year in kenny's system and brook had to change almost his entire offensive approach at his coach's request this year. I say let's give him another year to see if he can make improvements on the defensive end. I'm not saying he will be an all-star defender, but if he makes marginal improvements I think that will help.

[Prokorov]

Great assessment. Honestly, regardless of what I would like to happen, this is probably what will happen. I except them to put out feelers for lopez for due diligence but marks won't like anything and will keep him.

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

I don't think it would be back breaking. His offense should translate well as he ages no matter where he is. I know you are adamant about his defense, but surrounding him with capable defensive players like levert, rhj, and hopefully two way players the nets draft this year

it would be back breaking because it would mean for another 3-4 years we would have a very low ceiling and alwys have a major issues defending as a team. and we would continue to have a max player who isnt a competitive guy

[Packers+NetsWIN]

at some point marks needs to take 50 cents on the dollar or let him walk for nothing. interesting decision in front of him.

an extension would be backbreaking for this franchise.

I don't think it would be back breaking. His offense should translate well as he ages no matter where he is. I know you are adamant about his defense, but surrounding him with capable defensive players like levert, rhj, and hopefully two way players the nets draft this year

it would be back breaking because it would mean for another 3-4 years we would have a very low ceiling and alwys have a major issues defending as a team. and we would continue to have a max player who isnt a competitive guy

I still think you guys are overestimating the ability to find a replacement. If we dont get Patton, which I dont think we will, our starting center this year is not going to be found in this draft. And I don't see any free agent defensive centers worthy of a starting position that we actually have a shot at

[Prokorov]

I still think you guys are overestimating the ability to find a replacement. If we dont get Patton, which I dont think we will, our starting center this year is not going to be found in this draft. And I don't see any free agent defensive centers worthy of a starting position that we actually have a shot at

you are operating under the impression we need to replace lopez... like get a high volume high impact player there. while thats ideal i dont think its at all necessary. give me a low salary big who can trap and switch and is versatile defensively and im good. whether its a 1 year stop gap or young big of the future. either way we can install the modern system and our young guys can get used to rotations and build chemistry, there are also alot more bigs then just patton.

also "worthy of a stating position" is thinkg about it wrong.... whitehead wasnt worthy of starting... nor was diwiddie, nor was levert, nor was RHJ. but we gave them those minutes and roles and they really improved a ton. now rhj and levert look like starters and whitehead and dinwiddie good for big minutes.

but i mean we were a 20 win team year 1 into a long rebuid... the urgency to replace anyone right away just isnt there. if we move on from lopez the short and longterm options are limitless. whats important is the foundation and being able to get these guys playing a modern team system on defense and go from there.