Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[Prokorov]

This is why I say I would offer Russell a smaller deal like what Steph Curry got for his first contract extension and let Russell earn his way up to big time money. You can't balk at paying Russell (which is certainly fine to do so) and then advocate signing Jabari Parker when he clearly has some issues going on here.

i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

I believe we have about $15.5, maybe that's minus Joe Harris' caphold.

Take it with a grain of salt, but NI mentioned recently that not only have there been talks that Orlando will not match anything 4/80 or above on Gordon, but the Nets could possibly buyout Mozgov for $10 million per so he can go sign a big contract back in Europe and start for a Euro contender. That would clear $6 mill right there.

As for re-signing everyone if we somehow signed Parker or Gordon, this could be where we see RHJ and Widdie traded on draft night as a prequel.

yeah i guess there are ways to clear money. but if we sign gordon or parker we should just operate over the cap and extend everyone. if we dont have cap flexibilty we should retain everyone

[vincecarter4pres]

i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

I believe we have about $15.5, maybe that's minus Joe Harris' caphold.

Take it with a grain of salt, but NI mentioned recently that not only have there been talks that Orlando will not match anything 4/80 or above on Gordon, but the Nets could possibly buyout Mozgov for $10 million per so he can go sign a big contract back in Europe and start for a Euro contender. That would clear $6 mill right there.

As for re-signing everyone if we somehow signed Parker or Gordon, this could be where we see RHJ and Widdie traded on draft night as a prequel.

yeah i guess there are ways to clear money. but if we sign gordon or parker we should just operate over the cap and extend everyone. if we dont have cap flexibilty we should retain everyone

Well, say we actually do ink Gordon(I'm shifting from Parker because Gordon is the rumored one, but same concept) for 4/$80.
It's an escalating deal, so it's still under $20 in year 2, maybe $19ish.

Say also, RHJ and Widdie were traded for a pick(s) in the 2018 draft as a prequel this June. Maybe something like the 12 for both. Trade the 12/29/45 and move up to 10. Draft Zhaire Smith. Booyah.
Smith at $3.8 mill for year two salary.

Joe Harris was re-signed to something that pays him around $6 mill in year two.

On the hook for MozGod's $10 mill.
Same with Deron's stretch of about $5.5 mill.

D-Lo has improved, but not max worthy and re-signs for about 4/$75. Starting salary around $18 mill.

LeVert is still on rookie scale for $2.6.
Allen for $2.4.
Whitehead for $1.7 million.

Crabbe opts out. We'll give 2 options and 2 end figures for him. One he leaves for greener pastures and his cap hit is a cap hold.
The other he signs a long term and more reasonable deal, like 4/$52. Starting salary a hair under $12.

The 40th pick in year two, we'll call it $1.3.

The cap hold for the 2019 1st round pick, we'll call it $2 mill.

Additional cap hold, we'll say $1 million as an estimate.

So, I know I'm assuming a lot here with a vivid imagination, but the numbers:


About $85.3 million on the books. Minus a cap hold as soon as someone signs, so technically a total of about $84.3 million.


Right now the cap is projected at $109 million. That leaves $24.7 million in available cap space for the summer of '19.

Assume Crabbe opts out and goes elsewhere?

Add a cap hold for a mill, remove $12 million in salary. Sitting at about $73.3 million, with about $35.7 million in cap.

Assume Crabbe opts in. Remove the original total's cap hold, add an additional $6.5 mill in salary. Leaves $19.8 million in space.

Now there is the huge variable of Russell, but even say he's max worthy, his cap hold is about $21 million until he signs an offer sheet or a contract with us. So minus $2 million off all available cap space totals, because it also removes the rookie min cap hold. Or he could suck and we either let him walk as well, or he signs for a show and prove kind of 2 year $25 million deal. But too many variables for all that, so below will be some numbers...

So basically it goes as follows:

$55.7 million in cap Crabbe walks, D-Lo is let to walk
$42.7 million in cap Crabbe opts out, re-signs reasonably, D-Lo walks
$35.7 million in cap Crabbe walks, D-Lo starting at $18
$33.7 million in cap Crabbe walks, D-Lo at max
$24.7 million in cap Crabbe opts out, re-signs reasonably, D-Lo at $18
$22.7 million in cap Crabbe opts out, re-signs reasonably, D-Lo at max
$19.8 million in cap Crabbe opts in, D-Lo at $18
$17.8 million in cap Crabbe opts in, D-Lo at max


There are options instead of operating above the cap if we sign free agents this off-season.

[Prokorov]

Crabbe isnt opting out. he would get half that if he did

[MrDollarBills]

I have a feeling if he were to somehow end up here he'd thrive in the system but he'd be attacked relentlessly on here because of how much he's being paid versus what he does wrong. Russell can't even tie his shoes without getting blasted, I'd shudder to think about what would happen if Jabari Parker is making 20 mil plus a season here.

Disagree... guys just dont like Dlo. or are biased. Crabbe makes idiotic money, got outplayed by joe harris and regressed offensively and he has more support then most net players. this board, more then anything, has homer tendencies. if we get parker, he will hyped. he will have a short leash, but get hyped

This is why I say I would offer Russell a smaller deal like what Steph Curry got for his first contract extension and let Russell earn his way up to big time money. You can't balk at paying Russell (which is certainly fine to do so) and then advocate signing Jabari Parker when he clearly has some issues going on here.

i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

The pay everyone scenario pretty frightening to think about because say a team of Russell/LeVert/Parker/RHJ/Allen is capped out can that core really evolve into a contender?

I think RHJ and Allen are going to be fine. Both have room to grow in their games, and will be two way impact players. I can see both getting to All NBA defensive honors and some all star nods if they keep going. LeVert is going to be a solid starting level two way player who can either start or be a super 6th man.

However, Russell and Parker are two very talented players have some serious question marks surrounding them and their maturity and defense are both pause worthy. I dunno. it sounds nice on paper if everyone matures the right way but i wouldn't place a wager on that working out the way we want.

[Prokorov]

I have a feeling if he were to somehow end up here he'd thrive in the system but he'd be attacked relentlessly on here because of how much he's being paid versus what he does wrong. Russell can't even tie his shoes without getting blasted, I'd shudder to think about what would happen if Jabari Parker is making 20 mil plus a season here.

Disagree... guys just dont like Dlo. or are biased. Crabbe makes idiotic money, got outplayed by joe harris and regressed offensively and he has more support then most net players. this board, more then anything, has homer tendencies. if we get parker, he will hyped. he will have a short leash, but get hyped

This is why I say I would offer Russell a smaller deal like what Steph Curry got for his first contract extension and let Russell earn his way up to big time money. You can't balk at paying Russell (which is certainly fine to do so) and then advocate signing Jabari Parker when he clearly has some issues going on here.

i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

The pay everyone scenario pretty frightening to think about because say a team of Russell/LeVert/Parker/RHJ/Allen is capped out can that core really evolve into a contender?

I think RHJ and Allen are fine. LeVert is going to be a solid starting level player. Russell and Parker have some serious question marks surrounding them. I dunno. it sounds nice on paper if everyone matures the right way but i wouldn't place a wager on that working out the way we want.

there is no path to being contender outside of landing kawai or RJ barret.

[MrDollarBills]

Disagree... guys just dont like Dlo. or are biased. Crabbe makes idiotic money, got outplayed by joe harris and regressed offensively and he has more support then most net players. this board, more then anything, has homer tendencies. if we get parker, he will hyped. he will have a short leash, but get hyped



i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

The pay everyone scenario pretty frightening to think about because say a team of Russell/LeVert/Parker/RHJ/Allen is capped out can that core really evolve into a contender?

I think RHJ and Allen are fine. LeVert is going to be a solid starting level player. Russell and Parker have some serious question marks surrounding them. I dunno. it sounds nice on paper if everyone matures the right way but i wouldn't place a wager on that working out the way we want.

there is no path to being contender outside of landing kawai or RJ barret.

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have a feeling if he were to somehow end up here he'd thrive in the system but he'd be attacked relentlessly on here because of how much he's being paid versus what he does wrong. Russell can't even tie his shoes without getting blasted, I'd shudder to think about what would happen if Jabari Parker is making 20 mil plus a season here.

Disagree... guys just dont like Dlo. or are biased. Crabbe makes idiotic money, got outplayed by joe harris and regressed offensively and he has more support then most net players. this board, more then anything, has homer tendencies. if we get parker, he will hyped. he will have a short leash, but get hyped

This is why I say I would offer Russell a smaller deal like what Steph Curry got for his first contract extension and let Russell earn his way up to big time money. You can't balk at paying Russell (which is certainly fine to do so) and then advocate signing Jabari Parker when he clearly has some issues going on here.

i dont see how we can sign parker. we have like 13M in cap. but if we can, then we are over the cap and may as well pay everyone at that point

The pay everyone scenario pretty frightening to think about because say a team of Russell/LeVert/Parker/RHJ/Allen is capped out can that core really evolve into a contender?

I think RHJ and Allen are fine. LeVert is going to be a solid starting level player. Russell and Parker have some serious question marks surrounding them. I dunno. it sounds nice on paper if everyone matures the right way but i wouldn't place a wager on that working out the way we want.

Truthfully I think I prefer more radical moves then signing a Parker or Gordon. Player for pick risks and stuff like that and one last real tank with our own pick(well hopefully one last one lol), but I get the feeling we're going to see a combination of Marks trading up and signing someone to a big contract this summer. Maybe even making a shocking move for a younger star in some form as well.

[vincecarter4pres]

The pay everyone scenario pretty frightening to think about because say a team of Russell/LeVert/Parker/RHJ/Allen is capped out can that core really evolve into a contender?

I think RHJ and Allen are fine. LeVert is going to be a solid starting level player. Russell and Parker have some serious question marks surrounding them. I dunno. it sounds nice on paper if everyone matures the right way but i wouldn't place a wager on that working out the way we want.

there is no path to being contender outside of landing kawai or RJ barret.

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

And on top of that, who's to say Philly doesn't get silly strong on paper signing Paul George or LeBron, or trading for Kawhi or McCollum and adding a free agent?

Kind of makes me queasy lol.

[MrDollarBills]

I really don't want to trade RHJ unless it brings back something serious. Like Leonard.

[Prokorov]

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

No. I want no part of Gordon. I'd go the opposite route and keep building through the draft while keeping cap open and leaning toward trading guys hitting RFA vs. maxing them when the time comes until i eventually get some real all-star talent, then use my cap on win now players

BUT... if you are going to sign gordon, and be over the cap, may as well pay RHJ/Russell/Harris and operate over the cap and hope eventually you have a package to trade for a star who wants out while winning enough to be a potential destination people might want to come to

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

i dont think it will take much for us to win sub 30 games next year. if so, we are in the lotto. gotta get lucky if you want to be a contender.

[vincecarter4pres]

Crabbe isnt opting out. he would get half that if he did

Could be a gentleman's agreement, these things certainly happen. Like we know we need "x" amount of free cap, so he opts out with a promise of a new 3 or 4 year deal which is an overpay over that time, but way less per year then the final $18.5 million on his deal.

Kind of deal like a 4/50 where it makes sense, cause he knows he's only getting like a 3/24 at absolute best elsewhere anyway the following summer, meaning picking up his option would put him at a little over 40 for 4. Gives the Nets around an extra $7 mill to play with next summer though and at that point the future cap would be tied up no matter what.

[MrDollarBills]

there is no path to being contender outside of landing kawai or RJ barret.

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

And on top of that, who'd to say Philly doesn't get silly strong on paper signing Paul George or LeBron, or trading for Kawhi or McCollum and adding a free agent?

Kind of makes me queasy lol.

I don't think Philly needs Lebron or Paul George. I like George, but his attitude is suspect and as great as Lebron is...I'm not taking the ball out of Ben Simmons' hands at this point. Simmons is a god tier talent, if he gets the Sixers to the NBA Finals that is like Magic Johnson level achievement. He'll become a legend.

[MrDollarBills]

ayyyyye look at those ex Nets putting in work for indy. Bojan, Booker, and Thad have a fan for life in me.

[vincecarter4pres]

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

And on top of that, who'd to say Philly doesn't get silly strong on paper signing Paul George or LeBron, or trading for Kawhi or McCollum and adding a free agent?

Kind of makes me queasy lol.

I don't think Philly needs Lebron or Paul George. I like George, but his attitude is suspect and as great as Lebron is...I'm not taking the ball out of Ben Simmons' hands at this point. Simmons is a god tier talent, if he gets the Sixers to the NBA Finals that is like Magic Johnson level achievement. He'll become a legend.

I mean to me they still need something, in both the long and short term at the wing. Agree with you on the LeBron thing, although how do you turn down being able to just add LeBron freakin' James to that young core for nothing but money?

But George would fit that team like a glove. He doesn't constantly need the ball in his hands. If he can put up numbers and impact playing with Mr. Rock Pounder Du'Jour, imagine what he does next to a real make others around him better playmaker like Simmons?

[MrDollarBills]

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

No. I want no part of Gordon. I'd go the opposite route and keep building through the draft while keeping cap open and leaning toward trading guys hitting RFA vs. maxing them when the time comes until i eventually get some real all-star talent, then use my cap on win now players

BUT... if you are going to sign gordon, and be over the cap, may as well pay RHJ/Russell/Harris and operate over the cap and hope eventually you have a package to trade for a star who wants out while winning enough to be a potential destination people might want to come to

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

i dont think it will take much for us to win sub 30 games next year. if so, we are in the lotto. gotta get lucky if you want to be a contender.

that's a good way to look at it.

I think we'll be better next year though just based on natural progression. if Russell takes that step forward, we're definitely not going to be a sub 30 game team.

I think its safe to admit that as much as Marks has done well, the team is kind of screwed by the timing of this.

and with the NBA about to kill the one and done rule, the 2020 draft could become loaded. agh.

[Prokorov]

Crabbe isnt opting out. he would get half that if he did

Could be a gentleman's agreement, these things certainly happen. Like we know we need "x" amount of free cap, so he opts out with a promise of a new 3 or 4 year deal which is an overpay over that time, but way less per year then the final $18.5 million on his deal.

Kind of deal like a 4/50 where it makes sense, cause he knows he's only getting like a 3/24 at absolute best elsewhere anyway the following summer, meaning picking up his option would put him at a little over 40 for 4. Gives the Nets around an extra $7 mill to play with next summer though and at that point the future cap would be tied up no matter what.

no way he does that. cant give up 19 million. not when your a role player worth half that. he'll never get another chance to make that.

[MrDollarBills]

And on top of that, who'd to say Philly doesn't get silly strong on paper signing Paul George or LeBron, or trading for Kawhi or McCollum and adding a free agent?

Kind of makes me queasy lol.

I don't think Philly needs Lebron or Paul George. I like George, but his attitude is suspect and as great as Lebron is...I'm not taking the ball out of Ben Simmons' hands at this point. Simmons is a god tier talent, if he gets the Sixers to the NBA Finals that is like Magic Johnson level achievement. He'll become a legend.

I mean to me they still need something, in both the long and short term at the wing. Agree with you on the LeBron thing, although how do you turn down being able to just add LeBron freakin' James to that young core for nothing but money?

But George would fit that team like a glove. He doesn't constantly need the ball in his hands. If he can put up numbers and impact playing with Mr. Rock Pounder Du'Jour, imagine what he does next to a real make others around him better playmaker like Simmons?

Lebron is god tier still even at his age, but both he and Simmons are ball dominant players (as they should be). I'm not having Simmons defer to anyone if I'm the GM of Philly.

If I had to choose, it's Paul George for Philly as long as he can keep his ego in check. Simmons would get George so many clean looks it would be unfair.

[Prokorov]

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

No. I want no part of Gordon. I'd go the opposite route and keep building through the draft while keeping cap open and leaning toward trading guys hitting RFA vs. maxing them when the time comes until i eventually get some real all-star talent, then use my cap on win now players

BUT... if you are going to sign gordon, and be over the cap, may as well pay RHJ/Russell/Harris and operate over the cap and hope eventually you have a package to trade for a star who wants out while winning enough to be a potential destination people might want to come to

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

i dont think it will take much for us to win sub 30 games next year. if so, we are in the lotto. gotta get lucky if you want to be a contender.

that's a good way to look at it.

I think we'll be better next year though just based on natural progression. if Russell takes that step forward, we're definitely not going to be a sub 30 game team.

I think its safe to admit that as much as Marks has done well, the team is kind of screwed by the timing of this.

and with the NBA about to kill the one and done rule, the 2020 draft could become loaded. agh.

i cant make a win prediction until i see what we do in the offseason, but if we brought the same team back id predict the same 29 wins. guys will improve, but focus still isnt on wins and we have bottom 5 talent and couldnt sustain injuries and every team has injuries.

[MrDollarBills]

Crabbe isnt opting out. he would get half that if he did

Could be a gentleman's agreement, these things certainly happen. Like we know we need "x" amount of free cap, so he opts out with a promise of a new 3 or 4 year deal which is an overpay over that time, but way less per year then the final $18.5 million on his deal.

Kind of deal like a 4/50 where it makes sense, cause he knows he's only getting like a 3/24 at absolute best elsewhere anyway the following summer, meaning picking up his option would put him at a little over 40 for 4. Gives the Nets around an extra $7 mill to play with next summer though and at that point the future cap would be tied up no matter what.

no way he does that. cant give up 19 million. not when your a role player worth half that. he'll never get another chance to make that.

Crabbe would be dumb not to take 19 million dollars at that age. he'll always get another contract after this one. but nowhere near 19 mil in one year.

[Prokorov]

I don't think Philly needs Lebron or Paul George. I like George, but his attitude is suspect and as great as Lebron is...I'm not taking the ball out of Ben Simmons' hands at this point. Simmons is a god tier talent, if he gets the Sixers to the NBA Finals that is like Magic Johnson level achievement. He'll become a legend.

I mean to me they still need something, in both the long and short term at the wing. Agree with you on the LeBron thing, although how do you turn down being able to just add LeBron freakin' James to that young core for nothing but money?

But George would fit that team like a glove. He doesn't constantly need the ball in his hands. If he can put up numbers and impact playing with Mr. Rock Pounder Du'Jour, imagine what he does next to a real make others around him better playmaker like Simmons?

Lebron is god tier still even at his age, but both he and Simmons are ball dominant players (as they should be). I'm not having Simmons defer to anyone if I'm the GM of Philly.

If I had to choose, it's Paul George for Philly as long as he can keep his ego in check. Simmons would get George so many clean looks it would be unfair.

Lebron is better off the ball the PG and can carry you if embiid got hurt, PG cant do that. george is also pretty ball dominant himself. you 100000% take lebron of george. Lebron gaurantees you the finals.

as good a young core as they have, if embidd doesnt stay healthy they may never even make the finals. they were headed towards losing to miami until embiid came back