jman3134 wrote:treiz wrote:
The whole Deron and Paul thing. I like Melo, not one point did I say I hated him or disliked him or whatever, I just don't feel he's a player worthy of what we're offering, I feel there are better alternatives for this franchise to pursue, better directions.
My point is (from the VERY BEGINNING), is that I'd rather trade assets that is equal or less there market value obviously as would any team. But we're simply overpaying for Melo, like I said in another post, if Melo was in the 2nd or 3rd year of a 6-year contract, then I'd say we'd have to go for it, because that means we have no leverage, we can't low ball Denver into giving us Melo for nothing, but the fact is we can get Melo for a much lesser offer and use those saved up assets in order to to pursue another star to work with Melo and Brook, and considering that in a couple of years their contract expires, we move to Brooklyn, we have assets that we can use in a trade to maybe free up some cap, why wouldn't Paul or Deron want to come here and play with Brook and Melo?
Now, I know I'm going to get a response from some posters saying "Oh but we can do that anyway if we get Melo now". The main difference here is that we'll have flexibility to pursue anybody that wants out, we'll have plenty of options open AND we'll be able to build a much more solid team, rather than just filling the bench with minimum vet contracted players.
I mean the reason you may be overpaying is that other teams may have placed other competitive offers. I personally feel that Melo is relatively underrated accolades-wise simply because he is playing at the same time as Kobe and Lebron. And yes, I personally do believe that he could add 10-20 more wins to a Nets squad simply by his addition. Given, I would like to see how the roster pans out before all is said and done.
Hoping for two guys like Paul and Williams to come to the Nets is highly unrealistic if the Nets are going to maintain their current roster. It's as simple as that. Jay-Z and the ownership can make grand overtures about how they are trying to build a contender all they want. No player looking to win a championship is going to come to a team with the current roster. With Melo, the chance of one of them coming increases. (that is if some are willing to take a paycut)
I honestly will not comment on whether or not the Nets are giving too much until I actually see the trade going through. I don't know that the deal is truly finalized. (unless someone can tell me otherwise)
But here's the thing, there's no one out there that can outbid us, out of all the teams in the NBA, it was narrowed down to the Nets, Knicks and Bulls. Now if Denver is going to lose their franchise players, there are three important things must go back in their direction, in order: first is expiring contracts or straight up cash for cap relief, second is draft picks and third is prospects.
The Bulls can satisfy the 2nd point and maybe number 3, which is Noah if the Bulls accept losing him, I'm sorry but I'm not Taj Gibson's biggest fan and I'll leave it at that. However, they can't fulfill number 1, firstly because they need Deng's contract to match Melo and so he has to be included, also that expires in 4 YEARS. To be fair though I would take the Bulls, it takes around 4 years for a good rebuild anyway, but for some reason they don't want to give up Noah which is ridiculous.
Yes, I do understand part 2, I do. I never said don't trade for Melo, not once did I say I don't want him on this team. My main gripe is that we're offering to much just to acquire him, and it's not worth it, we're outbidding ourselves. Now my point this last 20+ pages on this topic is to lower the offer so that we can save some pieces to go after Paul or Deron in a trade. If they say no, fine we'll just continue rebuilding, and hope luck swings in our direction for the next couple of years.
Fair point, it hasn't been finalised yet but from what I've read and heard, this seems to the legit deal.
