Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[MrDollarBills]

No. I want no part of Gordon. I'd go the opposite route and keep building through the draft while keeping cap open and leaning toward trading guys hitting RFA vs. maxing them when the time comes until i eventually get some real all-star talent, then use my cap on win now players

BUT... if you are going to sign gordon, and be over the cap, may as well pay RHJ/Russell/Harris and operate over the cap and hope eventually you have a package to trade for a star who wants out while winning enough to be a potential destination people might want to come to



i dont think it will take much for us to win sub 30 games next year. if so, we are in the lotto. gotta get lucky if you want to be a contender.

that's a good way to look at it.

I think we'll be better next year though just based on natural progression. if Russell takes that step forward, we're definitely not going to be a sub 30 game team.

I think its safe to admit that as much as Marks has done well, the team is kind of screwed by the timing of this.

and with the NBA about to kill the one and done rule, the 2020 draft could become loaded. agh.

i cant make a win prediction until i see what we do in the offseason, but if we brought the same team back id predict the same 29 wins. guys will improve, but focus still isnt on wins and we have bottom 5 talent and couldnt sustain injuries and every team has injuries.

i think that we could broken the 30 win mark if we didn't have the Lin injury, the 10 week Russell injury, and that god awful stretch where both RHJ and LeVert were out of commission at the end of the year and into the new year. that last period was really bad

[MrDollarBills]

I mean to me they still need something, in both the long and short term at the wing. Agree with you on the LeBron thing, although how do you turn down being able to just add LeBron freakin' James to that young core for nothing but money?

But George would fit that team like a glove. He doesn't constantly need the ball in his hands. If he can put up numbers and impact playing with Mr. Rock Pounder Du'Jour, imagine what he does next to a real make others around him better playmaker like Simmons?

Lebron is god tier still even at his age, but both he and Simmons are ball dominant players (as they should be). I'm not having Simmons defer to anyone if I'm the GM of Philly.

If I had to choose, it's Paul George for Philly as long as he can keep his ego in check. Simmons would get George so many clean looks it would be unfair.

Lebron is better off the ball the PG and can carry you if embiid got hurt, PG cant do that. george is also pretty ball dominant himself. you 100000% take lebron of george. Lebron gaurantees you the finals.

as good a young core as they have, if embidd doesnt stay healthy they may never even make the finals. they were headed towards losing to miami until embiid came back

This calls for Lebron deferring to Simmons as the floor general. I've yet to see Lebron James ever concede to another player in that manner, and that includes prime level Dwayne Wade.

[Prokorov]

that's a good way to look at it.

I think we'll be better next year though just based on natural progression. if Russell takes that step forward, we're definitely not going to be a sub 30 game team.

I think its safe to admit that as much as Marks has done well, the team is kind of screwed by the timing of this.

and with the NBA about to kill the one and done rule, the 2020 draft could become loaded. agh.

i cant make a win prediction until i see what we do in the offseason, but if we brought the same team back id predict the same 29 wins. guys will improve, but focus still isnt on wins and we have bottom 5 talent and couldnt sustain injuries and every team has injuries.

i think that we could broken the 30 win mark if we didn't have the Lin injury, the 10 week Russell injury, and that god awful stretch where both RHJ and LeVert were out of commission at the end of the year and into the new year. that last period was really bad

thats what happens when you have bottom 5 talent though... ANY injury is going to result in long losing streaks. and you always have injuries to someone. im not saying we cant win 32-34 games. we can. but i wouldnt predict it without additions

[vincecarter4pres]

so you're saying eff it, sign as much talent as we can and lets just play it out?

No. I want no part of Gordon. I'd go the opposite route and keep building through the draft while keeping cap open and leaning toward trading guys hitting RFA vs. maxing them when the time comes until i eventually get some real all-star talent, then use my cap on win now players

BUT... if you are going to sign gordon, and be over the cap, may as well pay RHJ/Russell/Harris and operate over the cap and hope eventually you have a package to trade for a star who wants out while winning enough to be a potential destination people might want to come to

Sorry I keep quoting and replying to posts meant for others lol, but Idk. Looking at the numbers I ran, if they can get back value for RHJ and Dinwiddie during the draft, then sign Gordon, you still have a lot of flexibility going forward no matter what happens.

I agree though, I'd really prefer to stay away from Gordon and to a lesser extent Parker. Listen, I've been beating the Parker drum, but as good as I think he could possibly become, I don't view him as a generational talent, or even a standard franchise player, but more so a possible multi-time, yet not truly perennial All Star.

When I'm discussing signing him, it's under the implied premise that Marks is going to make moves with the long term cap in some fashion, but he isn't going to be able to strike pure gold like a Kawhi trade while keeping flexibility, both cap and assets.

i mean i've resigned myself to the fact that unless we get a generational talent we aren't winning squat in a conference that has Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid on the same team. i see no way in hell we get Barrett unless we do a firesale and pray to your deity of choice that we hit the #1 pick next season.

i dont think it will take much for us to win sub 30 games next year. if so, we are in the lotto. gotta get lucky if you want to be a contender.

I'm with you. They trade even one of LeVert or RHJ, unless the rookie they bring in for them is godly, or D-Lo has some crazy blowup, we're probably right around the win total we say this year, give or take 5 games either way.

I still prefer asset acquisition mode unless Marks can make some crazy moves that shock the entire sports world.

That, or, I feel strongly enough about Zhaire Smith and to an extent Mikal Bridges in the long run, for him to do some in between stuff, like acquire one of the 2, make a big time free agent signing or surprise follow up trade and just hope for the best. I don't love that route honestly, but I can see that being Marks aim, so F it, at least we'd have a few shots at potential for the long run and might be able to compete next year simultaneously. And as you always allude to, we'd be one big move away from contention, like a year down the line Kawhi or Anthony Davis or even Greek Freak or someone want out and behind the scenes list us as their top destination.

[Prokorov]

Lebron is god tier still even at his age, but both he and Simmons are ball dominant players (as they should be). I'm not having Simmons defer to anyone if I'm the GM of Philly.

If I had to choose, it's Paul George for Philly as long as he can keep his ego in check. Simmons would get George so many clean looks it would be unfair.

Lebron is better off the ball the PG and can carry you if embiid got hurt, PG cant do that. george is also pretty ball dominant himself. you 100000% take lebron of george. Lebron gaurantees you the finals.

as good a young core as they have, if embidd doesnt stay healthy they may never even make the finals. they were headed towards losing to miami until embiid came back

This calls for Lebron deferring to Simmons as the floor general. I've yet to see Lebron James ever concede to another player in that manner, and that includes prime level Dwayne Wade.

you dont have lebron defer. you have him dominate and you win a title. cause winning a title is damn near impossible these days. and during the regular season you limit lebrons minutes and simmons gets plenty of time to run things.

simmons is young. plenty of time for him. without lebron, its no gaurantee they even make a finals. Giannis looks to be the best player once lebron retires. add anything of note to him and he is going to run shop forever.

[vincecarter4pres]

Could be a gentleman's agreement, these things certainly happen. Like we know we need "x" amount of free cap, so he opts out with a promise of a new 3 or 4 year deal which is an overpay over that time, but way less per year then the final $18.5 million on his deal.

Kind of deal like a 4/50 where it makes sense, cause he knows he's only getting like a 3/24 at absolute best elsewhere anyway the following summer, meaning picking up his option would put him at a little over 40 for 4. Gives the Nets around an extra $7 mill to play with next summer though and at that point the future cap would be tied up no matter what.

no way he does that. cant give up 19 million. not when your a role player worth half that. he'll never get another chance to make that.

Crabbe would be dumb not to take 19 million dollars at that age. he'll always get another contract after this one. but nowhere near 19 mil in one year.

But again, what about under the specific premise the Nets needed something like $7 mill in cap in the summer of '19 to make a huge signing, like they had the guy in the office, ready to commit and they have Crabbe there too and say, opt out and we'll give you this 4/50 and sign "player x" to your right?

These things happen. Not sure on his opt out date if any of this is realistic though. But if he has a late July opt out, which I wouldn't doubt because Marks loaded up all his RFA offer sheets with nastiness, it's 100% plausible. They'd never renege on a verbal agreement like that, but would keep it in the room for any CBA violations it may commit.

[MrDollarBills]

Lebron is better off the ball the PG and can carry you if embiid got hurt, PG cant do that. george is also pretty ball dominant himself. you 100000% take lebron of george. Lebron gaurantees you the finals.

as good a young core as they have, if embidd doesnt stay healthy they may never even make the finals. they were headed towards losing to miami until embiid came back

This calls for Lebron deferring to Simmons as the floor general. I've yet to see Lebron James ever concede to another player in that manner, and that includes prime level Dwayne Wade.

you dont have lebron defer. you have him dominate and you win a title. cause winning a title is damn near impossible these days. and during the regular season you limit lebrons minutes and simmons gets plenty of time to run things.

simmons is young. plenty of time for him. without lebron, its no gaurantee they even make a finals. Giannis looks to be the best player once lebron retires. add anything of note to him and he is going to run shop forever.

I think Giannis will be one of the most physically dominant players in the world, along with AD. I think Simmons is more skilled than both of them and is a 3point shot away from being unstoppable.

re: needing Lebron. if Simmons/Embiid get the Sixers past their 2nd round opponent(if i'm not mistaken is the winner of BOS/MIL), a Cavs vs. Sixers ECF will be very interesting.

[MrDollarBills]

haha and we talk about this and we forget about both Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. the top 5 in the NBA over the next 6-8 years will be ungodly.

[vincecarter4pres]

haha and we talk about this and we forget about both Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. the top 5 in the NBA over the next 6-8 years will be ungodly.

Hell, can't even disrespect Harden, the Brow and maybe even a seasoned Donovan Mitchell either.

[MrDollarBills]

no way he does that. cant give up 19 million. not when your a role player worth half that. he'll never get another chance to make that.

Crabbe would be dumb not to take 19 million dollars at that age. he'll always get another contract after this one. but nowhere near 19 mil in one year.

But again, what about under the specific premise the Nets needed something like $7 mill in cap in the summer of '19 to make a huge signing, like they had the guy in the office, ready to commit and they have Crabbe there too and say, opt out and we'll give you this 4/50 and sign "player x" to your right?

These things happen. Not sure on his opt out date if any of this is realistic though. But if he has a late July opt out, which I wouldn't doubt because Marks loaded up all his RFA offer sheets with nastiness, it's 100% plausible. They'd never renege on a verbal agreement like that, but would keep it in the room for any CBA violations it may commit.

i'd rather take 19 mil before taxes in one year as opposed to verbal agreements and bet on myself being good enough to still end up getting 7 to 10mil per season in my late 20s early 30s. this is a business. Crabbe could walk out of his house tomorrow and slip down a step and tear his ACL or god knows what. i'd take the guaranteed money every time.

[vincecarter4pres]

Holy ****, LeBron turns it over!

[vincecarter4pres]

Crabbe would be dumb not to take 19 million dollars at that age. he'll always get another contract after this one. but nowhere near 19 mil in one year.

But again, what about under the specific premise the Nets needed something like $7 mill in cap in the summer of '19 to make a huge signing, like they had the guy in the office, ready to commit and they have Crabbe there too and say, opt out and we'll give you this 4/50 and sign "player x" to your right?

These things happen. Not sure on his opt out date if any of this is realistic though. But if he has a late July opt out, which I wouldn't doubt because Marks loaded up all his RFA offer sheets with nastiness, it's 100% plausible. They'd never renege on a verbal agreement like that, but would keep it in the room for any CBA violations it may commit.

i'd rather take 19 mil before taxes in one year as opposed to verbal agreements and bet on myself being good enough to still end up getting 7 to 10mil per season in my late 20s early 30s. this is a business. Crabbe could walk out of his house tomorrow and slip down a step and tear his ACL or god knows what. i'd take the guaranteed money every time.

Ok but I'm saying:

4/50

Opposed to 18.5 and then hoping to land 31.5/3 to break even.

[MrDollarBills]

haha and we talk about this and we forget about both Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. the top 5 in the NBA over the next 6-8 years will be ungodly.

Hell, can't even disrespect Harden, the Brow and maybe even a seasoned Donovan Mitchell either.

Yeah, Harden's game looks like it could resist the test of time. I already mentioned AD but yeah Donovan Mitchell is aiming for that top SG in the league spot pretty hard.

Westbrook's not an old man either. wow. the NBA has some serious talent on display

and none of them are Nets !!!!!!! oh god why do we even bother

[vincecarter4pres]

What a block!

[Prokorov]

This calls for Lebron deferring to Simmons as the floor general. I've yet to see Lebron James ever concede to another player in that manner, and that includes prime level Dwayne Wade.

you dont have lebron defer. you have him dominate and you win a title. cause winning a title is damn near impossible these days. and during the regular season you limit lebrons minutes and simmons gets plenty of time to run things.

simmons is young. plenty of time for him. without lebron, its no gaurantee they even make a finals. Giannis looks to be the best player once lebron retires. add anything of note to him and he is going to run shop forever.

I think Giannis will be one of the most physically dominant players in the world, along with AD. I think Simmons is more skilled than both of them and is a 3point shot away from being unstoppable.

re: needing Lebron. if Simmons/Embiid get the Sixers past their 2nd round opponent(if i'm not mistaken is the winner of BOS/MIL), a Cavs vs. Sixers ECF will be very interesting.

Giannis is more athletic and more skilled then simmons... and what if giannis ever gets a 3 point shot?

dont count on boston who still has the griz pick

[vincecarter4pres]

haha and we talk about this and we forget about both Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. the top 5 in the NBA over the next 6-8 years will be ungodly.

Hell, can't even disrespect Harden, the Brow and maybe even a seasoned Donovan Mitchell either.

Yeah, Harden's game looks like it could resist the test of time. I already mentioned AD but yeah Donovan Mitchell is aiming for that top SG in the league spot pretty hard.

Westbrook's not an old man either. wow. the NBA has some serious talent on display

and none of them are Nets !!!!!!! oh god why do we even bother

The worst part is at least one of these guys legitimately should be here right now lol.

[vincecarter4pres]

Damn LeBron with the ice in his veins!

[MrDollarBills]

lol Lebron did that to us twice this season so not surprising. what a beast.

[MrDollarBills]

you dont have lebron defer. you have him dominate and you win a title. cause winning a title is damn near impossible these days. and during the regular season you limit lebrons minutes and simmons gets plenty of time to run things.

simmons is young. plenty of time for him. without lebron, its no gaurantee they even make a finals. Giannis looks to be the best player once lebron retires. add anything of note to him and he is going to run shop forever.

I think Giannis will be one of the most physically dominant players in the world, along with AD. I think Simmons is more skilled than both of them and is a 3point shot away from being unstoppable.

re: needing Lebron. if Simmons/Embiid get the Sixers past their 2nd round opponent(if i'm not mistaken is the winner of BOS/MIL), a Cavs vs. Sixers ECF will be very interesting.

Giannis is more athletic and more skilled then simmons... and what if giannis ever gets a 3 point shot?

dont count on boston who still has the griz pick

Giannis is more athletic for sure, but I think Simmons' basketball IQ is higher than Giannis as well as his ball handling and passing ability so i think Simmons is more skilled overall but honestly we're debating two tall and gifted athletes that are 3point shots away from being something that the league has never seen before.

[MrDollarBills]

I'll say this about Simmons and Giannis: both guys want to win games, and not at a later point. they want to win now and be in the conversation. listen to their comments...neither of them **** around.