GT: Nets @ Cavs - Wednesday, 1/20/21 | 7:00pm EST | YES | The Big 3 Debut!

[mcscotty]

Unpopular opinion: Joe Harris fits better into the starting lineup than Kyrie.

[MrDollarBills]

Unpopular opinion: Joe Harris fits better into the starting lineup than Kyrie.

It's been one game. Thanks for the hot take though

[MrDollarBills]

To both your points, we gradually sacrifice and moved from that very identity and culture for the current prize of Durant, Kyrie and Harden...

Can’t have it both ways.....

I mean yeah we did, but right now:

1) We are trying to develop chemistry. That doesn't happen overnight

2) We gave up depth to get Harden. Marks has to address that.

3) Nash is going through some growing pains as a coach. It's better to have them now than in March and April.

The only place we lost depth with the harden trade was center. and that didnt really hurt us tonight. We have 1-2 stars playing with our bench unit. we have elite depth. no team has a harden they bring off the bench.

We do not have elite bench depth. We have a rookie as a back up center, no viable back up PG, and TLC and Shamet are unreliable.

The Big 3 had to play 40+ mins well before overtime. That flies right in the face of having elite depth.

Losing Allen, LeVert and Prince were the cost of doing business but let's not pretend that it didn't impact the bench.

[MrDollarBills]

Just finished my second watch.... some things that stood out:

1) I thought Harden needed to be in more pick and rolls to create offense, but the cavs zone took that away completely. So it really wasnt an option until later in the game, but by that point we were scoring at will, so it was less of an issue

2) WAAAAY to many live ball turnovers. Harden and KD started 6 fast breaks on my count. Kyrie had a live ball one and harris as well. Alot of the defensive woes are poor play/effort but alot of it is giving teams 1 on 0 fast breaks.

3) Nets beat the zone a few times with Kyrie cutting to the FT line and hitting an open jumper. but never went back to it. itnerested to see if they go to more of him and KT at the FT line vs the zone on friday.

4) We ran a million double pick pin downs to get kyrie or KD the ball 100 feet from the hoop when it was already in hardens hands 100 feet from the hoop. it just wasted shot clock. need to re think those. some of it was the Cavs D.. they really made our guys work to just catch the ball.

5) I get holding on to your challenges, but nash outright refuses to use them unless its late. smart coaches will change clear bad calls that lead to FT + a foul on your star. he let that go twice in a game that went into 2 overtimes.

6) Nash failed TWICE on the last play of overtime.... you foul there with 5 seconds up three (Fail #1). if you dont plan on fouling, you send in your 5 best defenders (Fail #2). how he handles subs and harden is less of an issue and has minimal impact. basic decisions like these you cant fail at. where is harrington/vaughn/D'antoni too.... someone needs to be yelling these things at him.

7) Kyrie played as good D as you really can on that final shot of OT. you cant risk fouling and giviing him 3 FTs and you cant double and leave an opening guy for 3. they screen to get room and kyrie still left him 0 air space, forced him to fade, and had a hand right in his face. Bruce brown doesnt block the shot, which is the only other thing that works there.

The biggest thing is harden needs to adjust.... and really he is the only one of the big three that has a task to adjust. He is the defacto point guard... with KD/Kyrie they just look to score, he has more responsibility. he needs to figure out when to be more aggressive and when not to. and he certainly needs to hunt fouls more, its a huge part of his game.

6 FTA for harden ina 2 OT contest cant happen

Agreed 100%.

[Openheimer]

Harden will be more aggressive on Friday. Usually when he attacks the rim is when he is at his best. He becomes more creative with his playmaking

[mcscotty]

Unpopular opinion: Joe Harris fits better into the starting lineup than Kyrie.

It's been one game. Thanks for the hot take though

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

[Paradise]

It doesn’t matter how you slice it. Sean needs to get active for a veteran back up. Dedmon, RHJ, MKG, somebody has to step in because it’s a lot asking a rookie that is the 57th pick to clean up the glass, rotate on D properly and shoot the ball or finish inside efficiently.

We could clean up the TOs and get better chemistry but that won’t change until we make a move.

[Whiskey Slick]

Green is kind of unsustainably hot from 3 btw. I love what he's brought to the team so far, and he's been an absolute steal for what we're paying him, but this is a career 34% 3pt shooter who is currently shooting over 50% from 3.

Don't be surprised when he regresses to the mean and starts missing a bunch of these 3s that he's been knocking down for us. He's not this good of a shooter over the course of his career.

He's basically taking these 3's unguarded, for obvious reasons, so I don't see that changing.

That said, he may not shoot 50% from 3, that's unrealistic, but he could shoot 40%

Again, this is probably the first time in his life he's shooting 3's unguarded, like they are shooting drills.

[therealbig3]

Green is kind of unsustainably hot from 3 btw. I love what he's brought to the team so far, and he's been an absolute steal for what we're paying him, but this is a career 34% 3pt shooter who is currently shooting over 50% from 3.

Don't be surprised when he regresses to the mean and starts missing a bunch of these 3s that he's been knocking down for us. He's not this good of a shooter over the course of his career.

He's basically taking these 3's unguarded, for obvious reasons, so I don't see that changing.

That said, he may not shoot 50% from 3, that's unrealistic, but he could shoot 40%

Again, this is probably the first time in his life he's shooting 3's unguarded, like they are shooting drills.

He played on some really good teams before too, including with LeBron on the 2018 Cavs, who is all about generating open looks from 3. The last time he shot even close to 40% from 3 was back in 2013.

He might be able to this year just because of the fact they're in an empty gym pretty much, so that might inflate shooting numbers all around the league in general, but I also don't think people should get their hopes up and assume that Jeff Green is a 3pt sniper now...given the rest of his career, it's much more reasonable to expect that this is a hot streak and he'll end up normalizing over the course of the season, and as fans, we shouldn't be shocked when that happens.

[Hello Brooklyn]

i still think we need to play Johnson, Brown, Shamet.

If Nash thinks all those guys are terrible then we need to sign someone capable of playing 10-15 minutes.

Either way we need to use some of our roster spots. We can't afford to not sign anybody.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Unpopular opinion: Joe Harris fits better into the starting lineup than Kyrie.

It's been one game. Thanks for the hot take though

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

Klay Thomspon is an elite defender and Harris is an average defender at best.

Its not a viable comparison.

[MrDollarBills]

Unpopular opinion: Joe Harris fits better into the starting lineup than Kyrie.

It's been one game. Thanks for the hot take though

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

But offense isn't the issue here, defense and frontcourt depth are.

[mcscotty]

It's been one game. Thanks for the hot take though

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

But offense isn't the issue here, defense and frontcourt depth are.

Joe would be an upgrade over Kyrie on the defensive end. He's a bigger body that gives effort. Put Bruce Brown out there to guard the 1.

[Khashbaatar]

Apart from big minutes for our starters, good game overall.
After a couple of blow-out wins, "I-am-concerned-about-BKN-defensive-woe" crowd will face their eventual demise, and "where-is-the-parity-in-the-league?" crowd is going to prevail.

[NetsJets]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

[MrDollarBills]

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

But offense isn't the issue here, defense and frontcourt depth are.

Joe would be an upgrade over Kyrie on the defensive end. He's a bigger body that gives effort. Put Bruce Brown out there to guard the 1.

See, here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.

1) You put Joe in the same sentence as Klay Thompson

2) You think that Joe is a defensive upgrade over Kyrie.

Both of those things are ridiculous. Joe is a solid player but he's an average to below average defender at best. Kyrie isn't anywhere near the defensive liability that casual watchers think that he is. Last night isn't some indictment, by the time we hit the 2nd OT he was over 50 mins and was gassed after a long layoff.

Also, the idea that we should bench a player putting up 28/5/6 on 51/42/96 is absolutely absurd and most likely agenda driven.

[MrDollarBills]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

Take a look at his raw and advanced metrics. It's not because "he's Kyrie", it is because he's one of the best 15 players in the NBA.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I've seen enough. I don't need to speak of the merits of Joe Harris. That would be preaching to the choir. I can sum it up in just 2 words: Usage Rate. He's your Klay Thompson. The solution is right under your nose.

But offense isn't the issue here, defense and frontcourt depth are.

Joe would be an upgrade over Kyrie on the defensive end. He's a bigger body that gives effort. Put Bruce Brown out there to guard the 1.

You clearly don't watch the Nets.

Joe isn't quick enough to cover some of these guards laterally. Kyrie stuck with Sexton all night in a way Harris could not have.

Brown is the one who could have done it.

[NetsJets]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

Take a look at his raw and advanced metrics. It's not because "he's Kyrie", it is because he's one of the best 15 players in the NBA.

Because he’s Kyrie got it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

Kyrie was the only reason we were even in the game last night.

Harden and Harris were both bad.

The only reason Kyrie is getting blamed is because it fits the pre-game narrative that he ruined the team.

Any outcome with a loss would have caused people to reach this conclusion.