Kyrie Wants Out

[NetsWorld]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Lesson learned is he is money obsessed and no one should have believed otherwise.

[gigantes]

If i were an opposing GM i wouldn't trade for Ben Simmons in his current state. The idea that Toronto should accept Simmons for Siakam is pretty out there.

As much as we know it takes guys more time to come back effectively from back surgery, Simmons is still a guy i don't trust right now.

I don't understand why so many Nets fan think that trading Simmons right now is a good idea. His value is just about the lowest right now, so we'd be giving away picks just for someone to take him off us, and then adding extra talent or picks to get someone good back. What the hell's the point?

Ben when he's playing, flawed as he is, can still positively impact games. Might as well let him continue to recover, use him as a useful piece when he's available, and see how much his value recovers by the offseason. At the very least, he should be more of a neutral trade piece that we don't have to pay to get rid of.

[MrDollarBills]

If i were an opposing GM i wouldn't trade for Ben Simmons in his current state. The idea that Toronto should accept Simmons for Siakam is pretty out there.

As much as we know it takes guys more time to come back effectively from back surgery, Simmons is still a guy i don't trust right now.

I don't understand why so many Nets fan think that trading Simmons right now is a good idea. His value is just about the lowest right now, so we'd be giving away picks just for someone to take him off us, and then adding extra talent or picks to get someone good back. What the hell's the point?

Ben when he's playing, flawed as he is, can still positively impact games. Might as well let him continue to recover, use him as a useful piece when he's available, and see how much his value recovers by the offseason. At the very least, he should be more of a neutral trade piece that we don't have to pay to get rid of.

Yeah, his defense, rebounding and passing have been solid, but his hesitancy to attack the rim hurts us offensively and it will be even worse now with Kyrie gone.

But yeah, his value is dirt. I wouldn't take his salary on my books if i was a GM

[MrDollarBills]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Lesson learned is he is money obsessed and no one should have believed otherwise.

I have no issue with Kyrie wanting money. It's just absurd that he thinks he should get money completely guaranteed with no strings attached after the sh*t show he caused over the last 4 years

[They_Them_Hatin]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Honestly I like everybody else am sick of the endless Kyrie drama so in a way I'm happy he's finally gone, however I blame the front office more than Ky for this. Kyrie has been reckless with how he doesn't fully consider the impact of his actions, the front office on the other hand has done everything they can to undermine and patronise Kyrie as a person during it, from suspending him voluntarily for the vaccine stance, to the 6 demands during the tweet fiasco, and to top it off you've got degrading stipulations in the new contract negotiations.

I mean Kyrie is an all-star starter, all-NBA caliber guy, if this is the sort of treatment he gets the front office I don't blame Kyrie at all for thinking it's just their way of telling him he is not wanted here. It's clear the Nets didn't want to pay Kyrie beyond this season and they got their wish.

Now let's see Marks and Tsai's grand plan eventuate. Can they keep KD happy?? If not, I got a feeling we might be saying take us back to the KD/Kyrie days in a few months time.

I don’t like Kyrie as a person or his views but I do agree with you. Tsai and the front office are so out of touch. This is the NBA, not Google. Kyrie is your typical spoiled delusional athlete that unfortunately you have to accommodate. They were very unprofessional in the basketball world trying to stick it to him. Good luck attracting free agents once KD leaves.

[Paradise]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

Its best to trade him now. I still think he can get back to form with more time. But we just don't have time.

And its a poor fit with Claxton frankly.

It’s not. He’s actually got a great number of points off Ben’s passing. It’s just the fact he refuses to attack the rim with any lineup. It hurts the spacing.

[Paradise]

Question for you guys: Does Markieff have anything left in the tank or is he a pure salary/roster slot filler at this point? Looks like he barely saw the floor for you guys and tbh I haven't watched any Brooklyn games other than the ones against the Mavs.

He’s got some left. He’s going to hit mid range and some threes but he’s bad rotating on D.

He sets good hard screens and likely will start a fight lol

[Born_Ready]

It will be interesting to see how Kyrie plays for Dallas going forward considering he is chasing that big money contract. He lost his motivation in BK when he knew he wasn't getting the bag, but I'm certain he will be motivated for Cuban and company. The Mavs will be exciting basketball for the next several months (excluding any off the court drama by KAI).

[MrDollarBills]

I think Marks needs to be proactive on two fronts:

1) Flipping the 3 1sts for a player that moves the needle and can keep the Nets in contention.

2) Quietly gauge interest in Kevin Durant from teams that KD would most likely want to go in the event that a deal cannot be made.

If we can't bring in any of the names mentioned on here by Thursday, then we need to let Durant go. There's no sense in keeping him if we can't field a contender around him. I like the pieces that we got for Kyrie, but we need that secondary scorer in order to really compete. If we can't get LaVine, DeRozan, or a Siakam we are completely screwed.

I would put a 3 1sts on the table, along with Cam and either Joe or Seth's salary to get this done. If this isn't enough, then we need to blow it up.

[MrDollarBills]

Also, if Durant decides that its best to move on this week, I would not hesitate to call up Rob Pelinka and offer him to the Lakers for Westbrook's contracts, Reeves, Christie and those two firsts.

[Minnamaker]

I think Marks needs to be proactive on two fronts:

1) Flipping the 3 1sts for a player that moves the needle and can keep the Nets in contention.

2) Quietly gauge interest in Kevin Durant from teams that KD would most likely want to go in the event that a deal cannot be made.

If we can't bring in any of the names mentioned on here by Thursday, then we need to let Durant go. There's no sense in keeping him if we can't field a contender around him. I like the pieces that we got for Kyrie, but we need that secondary scorer in order to really compete. If we can't get LaVine, DeRozan, or a Siakam we are completely screwed.

I would put a 3 1sts on the table, along with Cam and either Joe or Seth's salary to get this done. If this isn't enough, then we need to blow it up.

I completely agree. We're in a tough spot though, only a few days left until the deadline. It's another star or rebuild, but I don't see how we can get a lavine-type player with the assets we have. I fully expect a rebuild.

I would not force a Durant trade until deadline though. If a trade comes up, great. Otherwise there's enough time to trade him in the offseason. Wouldn't even care if he sat out the rest of the season.

[GOBsaysCOMEON]

At least ya’ll still have Ben Simmons!!! I'd like to have a night alone with him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Honestly I like everybody else am sick of the endless Kyrie drama so in a way I'm happy he's finally gone, however I blame the front office more than Ky for this. Kyrie has been reckless with how he doesn't fully consider the impact of his actions, the front office on the other hand has done everything they can to undermine and patronise Kyrie as a person during it, from suspending him voluntarily for the vaccine stance, to the 6 demands during the tweet fiasco, and to top it off you've got degrading stipulations in the new contract negotiations.

I mean Kyrie is an all-star starter, all-NBA caliber guy, if this is the sort of treatment he gets the front office I don't blame Kyrie at all for thinking it's just their way of telling him he is not wanted here. It's clear the Nets didn't want to pay Kyrie beyond this season and they got their wish.

Now let's see Marks and Tsai's grand plan eventuate. Can they keep KD happy?? If not, I got a feeling we might be saying take us back to the KD/Kyrie days in a few months time.

That is an insane take

Kyrie has not behaved in a professional manner his entire tenure as a Net.

There is no team in the league that would offer him a 4 year max.

Give me 1 year of Kyrie not acting like an ****. Then maybe.

From his mood swings, to his taking off random stretches of the season, posting anti-Semitic movies n Twitter, refusing to take the vaccine. The guy is a nutjob.

No team would tolerate this bull.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Honestly I like everybody else am sick of the endless Kyrie drama so in a way I'm happy he's finally gone, however I blame the front office more than Ky for this. Kyrie has been reckless with how he doesn't fully consider the impact of his actions, the front office on the other hand has done everything they can to undermine and patronise Kyrie as a person during it, from suspending him voluntarily for the vaccine stance, to the 6 demands during the tweet fiasco, and to top it off you've got degrading stipulations in the new contract negotiations.

I mean Kyrie is an all-star starter, all-NBA caliber guy, if this is the sort of treatment he gets the front office I don't blame Kyrie at all for thinking it's just their way of telling him he is not wanted here. It's clear the Nets didn't want to pay Kyrie beyond this season and they got their wish.

Now let's see Marks and Tsai's grand plan eventuate. Can they keep KD happy?? If not, I got a feeling we might be saying take us back to the KD/Kyrie days in a few months time.

I disagree with some of this.

The Nets would have been absolutely foolish to give Kyrie a max contract without assurances that he will show up for work. It's not degrading at all imo, Kyrie brought that on himself.

All that other stuff, such as going AWOL and attending parties while the team was playing that same night, refusing to get vaccinated to play, and tweeting out a link to neo nazi propaganda are all situations caused by him. The Nets share blame for their role in each of these situations, but at the end of the day Kyrie is the one who created the mess.

I'm glad he's finally gone. I grew tired of worrying about when the other shoe would drop. He's nuked our season two years in a row....it's hard for me to take his side on any of this outside of understanding why he requested a trade, because that was his right when he saw that he wasn't going to get a contract that no one in the league will give him.

What could the Nets have done to prevent any of this?

I don't understand how you can blame the team at all for dealing with a pyscho.

The guy is not serious about basketball and never has been since he came here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

If i were an opposing GM i wouldn't trade for Ben Simmons in his current state. The idea that Toronto should accept Simmons for Siakam is pretty out there.

As much as we know it takes guys more time to come back effectively from back surgery, Simmons is still a guy i don't trust right now.

Not saying its a slam dunk.

But they would be getting two picks out of it to help them rebuild.

I'm not sure how much more Siakim is worth exactly.

What more does he get? I don't think hes getting you a blue chip prospect for sure.

[MGrand15]

Honestly its still wild to me that Kyrie was just saying that Harden was half way out of the locker room. And just last week he said we were the best team in the NBA.

Then suddenly he wants to abandon ship because we didn't give him a max contract offer that no other team in the league would give either.

Guy is bi polar on another level. I can't imagine having to deal with that for 4 years. Marks must have gone crazy.

Honestly I like everybody else am sick of the endless Kyrie drama so in a way I'm happy he's finally gone, however I blame the front office more than Ky for this. Kyrie has been reckless with how he doesn't fully consider the impact of his actions, the front office on the other hand has done everything they can to undermine and patronise Kyrie as a person during it, from suspending him voluntarily for the vaccine stance, to the 6 demands during the tweet fiasco, and to top it off you've got degrading stipulations in the new contract negotiations.

I mean Kyrie is an all-star starter, all-NBA caliber guy, if this is the sort of treatment he gets the front office I don't blame Kyrie at all for thinking it's just their way of telling him he is not wanted here. It's clear the Nets didn't want to pay Kyrie beyond this season and they got their wish.

Now let's see Marks and Tsai's grand plan eventuate. Can they keep KD happy?? If not, I got a feeling we might be saying take us back to the KD/Kyrie days in a few months time.

I don’t like Kyrie as a person or his views but I do agree with you. Tsai and the front office are so out of touch. This is the NBA, not Google. Kyrie is your typical spoiled delusional athlete that unfortunately you have to accommodate. They were very unprofessional in the basketball world trying to stick it to him. Good luck attracting free agents once KD leaves.

I keep seeing this and it doesn't make sense.

Nothing about the Kyrie situation is typical. Literally no other team was willing to "accommodate" Kyrie over the summer. He could've opted out and signed with anyone. No takers. He asked for a sign and trade. We told him to find a team. No takers.

Even now - no teams were willing to commit to the max deal he wanted.

Fact is this is a result based league. Kyrie is basically the one star player who has questionable commitment to his team and basketball. His health is also a huge question mark and he doesn't trust NBA medical staffs. He's missed more games than he's played. He only won 1 playoff series with the Nets.

This would be a totally different story if the process was messy and the results were there. The results here have been trash.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Honestly I don't think the Bulls have any incentive to rebuild.

Derozan/Lavine are probably not on the table.

Toronto may be blowing it up. So Siakim or OG could be on the table.

Ultimately, I doubt we can get anyone to put us in serious contention.

Kyrie basically **** us.

[3pt_chucker]

Shams said last week that Siakim is a name he expects to be traded. He won't say that unless he knew something. Siakim is definitely being shopped. The question is, can the Nets beat the offers that Masai receives for him.

I def think the Nets can beat out the field but it would require more moving parts. Some options:
1: Make it a 3 team deal to trade away Ben (ex: Spurs who have no blue chip talent) and give Raptors everything + Poeltl.
2: Obtain another 1st by trading Royce/DFS/Din/Cam to another team and then offer Raps 4 FRPs/swaps + salary filler (Joe, Seth etc)
3: Trade Clax and Cam, both of whom have sky high value right now. We know Raps like Clax from last season and Cam is a young guard that matches Barnes timeline better and fits well with him.

I would love to keep Clax but I can see a scenario where he will have to be sacrificed to get Siakim.

[TheNetsFan]

Also, if Durant decides that its best to move on this week, I would not hesitate to call up Rob Pelinka and offer him to the Lakers for Westbrook's contracts, Reeves, Christie and those two firsts.

Please tell me you were hacked by a Lakers fan. That is an awful return. It's known that Phoenix can and would offer more.

[3pt_chucker]

I also won't be ruling out Marks making a call to Portland for Dame or Utah for Markkanen.

Players like OG and Collins are not who I think Marks is targetting, since they don't move the needle that much with what the team has right now.

If Marks can't make a big swing, I think smaller moves will b made, while keeping the war chest for a super star trade in the summer, since it's much easier to pull of those trades then. Question would be is if KD would be patient to wait for that to happen.

Players Marks should/will inquire on now and in the off-season if KD stays:
Dame (now & in summer)
Markkanen (now)
Lavine (now & in summer)
KAT (summer)
Booker (summer)
PG13 (summer)
Jimmy Butler (summer)