Trade Targets

[Hello Brooklyn]

If the Wizards really cared about cap room in 2014 then they wouldn't have traded for Nene in the first place.

No good player is going to sign with the Wizards. Cap space means nothing without draw. Were you guys sleeping in 2010?

Anyway, its not a big deal. I just wish you guys could be rational and not realistic in your trade ideas.

[Jersey Generals]

If the Wizards really cared about cap room in 2014 then they wouldn't have traded for Nene in the first place.

That's not true at all, and maybe that's your rub. Ernie Grunfeld is a terrible GM, so it could have been a mistake from the start, but even if it wasn't, why wouldn't a team want to try and win for two years and then better their team? Trade McGee, which you would have to sign to a terrible contract, for Nene, a good player on a bloated contract, play it out for two years, see where it goes, and if you don't like it, reboot by trading Nene. The Wizards suck, they're not going to get better, they've seen that, so trade Nene for the best package you can get. That concept has been used ten thousand times, in fact, it was used for Nene himself: he was signed to a bloated contract by the Nuggets, they saw it wasn't going to work, so they traded him for a younger player and rebuilt on the fly. Seriously, it happens all the time, I'm not sure why you think what you think.

[kmsmith5]

Good point about the Nuggets trading Nene. Why would they do it if they just signed him? Because things change over the course of the season.

As for an expiring being better than Humphries' 2yrs, which team has one that would be willing to take on Nene's salary? I'm not saying there isn't a team, but there aren't many teams that aren't afraid of the luxury tax right now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Even if we assume that the Wizards do want to trade Nene.

You don't think the Wizards can get better value then Humphries and Brooks?

I certainly do. And I guess thats why we differ in opinion.

[vincecarter4pres]

Even if we assume that the Wizards do want to trade Nene.

You don't think the Wizards can get better value then Humphries and Brooks?

I certainly do. And I guess thats why we differ in opinion.

Maybe, but I'm not sure what specifically. All we're saying is it has legs, it's not some crazy idea that some of you guys are going hyperbolic Pop Rocks and Coca Cola crazy over as if we're saying Kevin Love for Hump and a 2nd round pick.

[DarkXaero]

Wizards are the same organization that turned down the Harden for Bradley Beal trade, because of the money involved in paying Harden. I highly doubt that Wizards are happy paying Nene $15 million while their team is the worst in the league, despite what their intentions were. Wall is likely to miss the entire season or most of it anyway, so this is guaranteed a high lotto season for them.

Even with Wall back, there is no guarantee of them being a playoffs team with the way they've been playing. Their locker room is a mess, and Nene has already publicly made some comments. With his big contract, and Wizards' situation, I think there is a great chance that if Wizards are given the opportunity to offload Nene for cap relief, they take it. Are there likely to be better offers than our possible offer? Maybe. But there is no point in overpaying someone $15 mill for 3 more years while being a horrible lotto team or possible low seed playoffs team. It's a completely realistic trade scenario, unlike Josh Smith or even Millsap.

[AntwanBoldin]

Damion Lillard is better than dwill and Wallace and he makes $3M a year. They make $30Ma year.


We blew Brooklyn year 1

[NyCeEvO]

Damion Lillard is better than dwill and Wallace and he makes $3M a year. They make $30Ma year.


Billy blew Brooklyn year 1

Fixed

[DarkXaero]

Regardless of who we would have picked at 6, it would have been our biggest trade assett. Billy screwed up big time, even in hindsight.

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[fefe22]

Prokhy has already stated publicly, that he wants the russian players. There are three of them in the league. Mozgov is rotting on the bench behind Koufos and McGee in Denver, while Shved and Kirilenko are flourishing in the starting lineup in Minnesota.

All of them would really fill a need for us:

Mozgov is a defensive minded backup center, and a real center, which Blatche is not.

Kirilenko, the defensive minded small forward, who would be a perfect backup for crash, and at the same time, he is the perfect quick and athletic PF, the spot we continuusly try to force Crash into.

Shved is tall combo guard, who can be a slasher, a playmaker, or even a sharpshooter when needed. He is everything we hoped MarShon to become.

Obviously Mozgov would be the most easy to get. He is not used on his current team. We might be able to get him for Mirza Teletovic.

Kirilenko + Shved, are much more expensive, but we have some assets. We obviously need Humphries here, for salary matching. We have to send Brooks, maybe some young guys or rights to our eurostash, and at least 2, or maybe 3 first round picks.

I know some of you would be reluctant to deal the 1st round picks, but we hope to be a strong playoff team, so our picks will be late first round picks, and we can buy one of those for 3 mill cash any time.

Here is the result:

Lopez / Mozgov
Blatche / Evans
Crash / AK47
JJ / Shved
D-Will / CJ
Obviously Kirilenko would play a lot of PF. and Blatche could still have some time at C.

Shved can also play the point, when CJ is useless.

What do you guys think?

[jerseyjac]

Prokhy has already stated publicly, that he wants the russian players. There are three of them in the league. Mozgov is rotting on the bench behind Koufos and McGee in Denver, while Shved and Kirilenko are flourishing in the starting lineup in Minnesota.

All of them would really fill a need for us:

Mozgov is a defensive minded backup center, and a real center, which Blatche is not.

Kirilenko, the defensive minded small forward, who would be a perfect backup for crash, and at the same time, he is the perfect quick and athletic PF, the spot we continuusly try to force Crash into.

Shved is tall combo guard, who can be a slasher, a playmaker, or even a sharpshooter when needed. He is everything we hoped MarShon to become.

Obviously Mozgov would be the most easy to get. He is not used on his current team. We might be able to get him for Mirza Teletovic.

Kirilenko + Shved, are much more expensive, but we have some assets. We obviously need Humphries here, for salary matching. We have to send Brooks, maybe some young guys or rights to our eurostash, and at least 2, or maybe 3 first round picks.

I know some of you would be reluctant to deal the 1st round picks, but we hope to be a strong playoff team, so our picks will be late first round picks, and we can buy one of those for 3 mill cash any time.

Here is the result:

Lopez / Mozgov
Blatche / Evans
Crash / AK47
JJ / Shved
D-Will / CJ
Obviously Kirilenko would play a lot of PF. and Blatche could still have some time at C.

Shved can also play the point, when CJ is useless.

What do you guys think?

Ohhh really, then you missed what happened in the offseason...I thought there was no dollar amount which would prevent the Nets from picking up Kirlenko, however we passed on AK47...on top of that, you seriously underestimate how the Timberwolves value Shved and AK....

[fefe22]

I thought there was no dollar amount which would prevent the Nets from picking up Kirlenko, however we passed on AK47...

What do you mean? We never passed on him, all we could offer him was the veterans minimum... he obviously chose the 30 mill.

I think it is not out of the question that the trade I'm talking about was already agreed in the summer...


p.s: anyway, why did you lock my thread, but not the celtics fan's trade offer?

[jerseyjac]

I thought there was no dollar amount which would prevent the Nets from picking up Kirlenko, however we passed on AK47...

What do you mean? We never passed on him, all we could offer him was the veterans minimum... he obviously chose the 30 mill.

I think it is not out of the question that the trade I'm talking about was already agreed in the summer...


p.s: anyway, why did you lock my thread, but not the celtics fan's trade offer?

We chose not to pay him, if they wanted Russian player on the floor that badly, they would of payed...basically they weren't that interested in signing AK for that money and more interested in adding other players to the roster...

[rj2496]

Not a trade, but I think we should be looking to pick up Daquan Cook. We need somebody who can stand still behind the 3 pt line who can catch and shoot.

[deepblueday]

I thought there was no dollar amount which would prevent the Nets from picking up Kirlenko, however we passed on AK47...

What do you mean? We never passed on him, all we could offer him was the veterans minimum... he obviously chose the 30 mill.

I think it is not out of the question that the trade I'm talking about was already agreed in the summer...


p.s: anyway, why did you lock my thread, but not the celtics fan's trade offer?

We chose not to pay him, if they wanted Russian player on the floor that badly, they would of payed...basically they weren't that interested in signing AK for that money and more interested in adding other players to the roster...

How did we chose not to pay him? There was no money left. I guess you can say that, by re-signing players like Deron, Crash, and Lopez, moving for JJ, and giving Mirza the MLE, we chose not to pay him, but I don't know how meaningful that is. Gotta remember, all the way to the end AK47 was very noncommital about leaving Russia at all.. So no, we didn't want him to exclusion of one of our main guys, that's pretty obvious, and Mirza was just colossal mis-evaluation, but the organization, King, and AK47 were all very open about how interested they were in each other. We were still in it to the end, but it's tough for any player to turn down 10 mil per for the vet min. I personally think Hump and Marshon for AK is one of the more realistic deals out there for us, Hump's a home town hero, his skin's the right color (only half kidding), Marshon plays a position of great need for them, we know AK wants to play here, he's on a player option next year, we know Prok and Billy want him, Minny wants to win games and Hump's a guy that can largely replicate AK47's production on a short term deal. Seems solid for both sides.

[jerseyjac]

For the record, I'd move Hump yesterday if there was a deal out there...

[fefe22]

We chose not to pay him, if they wanted Russian player on the floor that badly, they would of payed...basically they weren't that interested in signing AK for that money and more interested in adding other players to the roster...

Not true. Nets acted as a tax paying team this past summer. We never had any capspace.
We had huge capholds for Lopez, Humphries, Williams and Wallace. We would have had to renounce at least two of them to be able to give 10 mill per year to a free agent, which is what AK recieved from Minny.
Even without Hump we were way over the salary cap, we resigned him using Bird rights.

All we had is the 3mill mini MLE, which we spent on Teletovic, and veteran minimums.

We did try very hard to sign Kirilenko to the vet min though, which he obviously passed on for the 30 mill Minnesota deal.

I know it is a crazy conspiracy theory, but maybe we asked Minny to sign AK for this huge deal, and we already have a deal in place with them on something around AK for Hump.
Shved for Marshon could be part of the deal as well.

I know Minny is high on these players, that's why I mentioned adding 3 first round picks to the deal from our side.

[AntwanBoldin]

Jj hickson can roll to the rim

[jerseyjac]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brookl ... luxury-tax

Man I dunno, maybe I am the only one thinking this way...Prokhy is already paying 11.49 million in tax money what the hell is the difference if he is paying another 10 million...if he wanted AK he could of had him, he made 10 million before he woke up yesterday...come on now...

If Dwight was signed, he was looking at 145 million smack...correct me if I am wrong going off the link below...

I had this bookmarked not exactly sure if 100% accurate...
http://www.businessinsider.com/nets-lux ... ade-2012-7

I like your conspiracy theory, but it is a pretty outlandish scenario...

[jerseyjac]

Jj hickson can roll to the rim

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