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Post#581 » by reelsgm » Tue Aug 9, 2016 12:56 am

NyCeEvO wrote:He worked with Nash last offseason and has a good relationship with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he does more work with him this year.


To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”
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Post#582 » by Johnstarks » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:01 am

I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already
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Post#583 » by reelsgm » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:06 am

Johnstarks wrote:I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already

I'd be more concerned with the health of the Knicks if I were you. Don't forget to put the ambulance on speed dial.
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Post#584 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:36 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:He worked with Nash last offseason and has a good relationship with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he does more work with him this year.


To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”

It's funny that in his one session from Nash, Lin was able to incorporate elements and use them immediately in the next season.

Jordan Clarkson still doesn't know how to play team ball. While I admit that I haven't watched a ton of Laker games last season, I don't remember seeing any Nash-easque elements in his game.

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Post#585 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:41 am

Johnstarks wrote:I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already

I've thought about this too.

Based on what we know about Kenny's offensive system, other players will need to be able to do some ballhandling in order to take pressure off the PG and make everyone a threat.

I really hope guys like RHJ and Bogs get their handle up or else Lin is going to get all of the defensive pressure bringing the ball up the court.

The good news is that we have the right guy for the job when it comes to developing new skills for players, even those who have been in the league for years.

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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#586 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:42 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:He worked with Nash last offseason and has a good relationship with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he does more work with him this year.


It's kind of a shame Nash works for the Warriors now, so...not sure about that.

IIRC, Nash has said he's a "make the most of what he has" player (which was plenty damn good enough!). Lin has more explosiveness and strength, at the very least (and also occasional back issues in common with Nash, so hopefully they don't recur), though his shooting is nowhere near Nash's level. The thing is though, Lin's shot form is quite nice now compared to Knicks. So in theory, Lin has all the tools to be an above-average accuracy player. Hopefully it manifests in better accuracy this season.

Oh shoot, I think he's part time tho. Hope that makes it OK.

Nash played soccer and got some amazing foot work. Jeremy's J's gotta come back.
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Post#587 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:44 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:He worked with Nash last offseason and has a good relationship with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he does more work with him this year.


To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”

I think it's the Lakers who were being cheap.
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Post#588 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:57 am

Johnstarks wrote:I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already

I wouldn't feel bad for him, it's a test, an opportunity to get better with more responsibilities. He wants it.

It's time for him to improve each game his ball handling. It's better to have no secondary ball handler than having another primary ball handler. I think Vasquez will play a lot, foye can be a ball handler, LV hopefully.

The roster is pretty interesting. BroLo is a good PnR/PnP player, Bogs a good shooter, RHJ a good defender, Booker a good energy guy. There are many young players with potential. If RHJ and Booker shoot better it might not be bad.

OTOH, plz no injury!
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#589 » by MakeItSplash » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:02 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:He worked with Nash last offseason and has a good relationship with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he does more work with him this year.


To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”

I think it's the Lakers who were being cheap.


Nash was working with the younger players Clarkson, Randle, and even Ryan Kelly. This was a direct request from GM Mitch Kupchak later in the season. By this time, it was clear Lin wasn't going to be part of the Lakers future. It was also clear that Byron Scott was hired to tank after the worst record in Lakers history last season.

Lin also has his own personal trainers, which he seems very loyal to, and has access to the Nets trainers if he wants it.

Funny thing about Clarkson though, Lakers fans have been criticizing him about his defense and he recently admitted that he hasn't worked on his defense.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2016/04/15/jordan-clarkson-confident-he-will-stay-with-the-lakers/

“I was horrible on the defensive end this year to be honest with you,” Clarkson said. “It’s somewhere I have to make strides. I’ll put my hard hat on and get after it this summer. To be honest, I never worked on defense.
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Everyone else faced with far less tenacity.

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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#590 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:21 am

MakeItSplash wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”

I think it's the Lakers who were being cheap.


Nash was working with the younger players Clarkson, Randle, and even Ryan Kelly. This was a direct request from GM Mitch Kupchak later in the season. By this time, it was clear Lin wasn't going to be part of the Lakers future. It was also clear that Byron Scott was hired to tank after the worst record in Lakers history last season.

Lin also has his own personal trainers, which he seems very loyal to, and has access to the Nets trainers if he wants it.

Ya, I know, that's real cheap. Is it really necessary?

Funny thing about Clarkson though, Lakers fans have been criticizing him about his defense and he recently admitted that he hasn't worked on his defense.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2016/04/15/jordan-clarkson-confident-he-will-stay-with-the-lakers/

“I was horrible on the defensive end this year to be honest with you,” Clarkson said. “It’s somewhere I have to make strides. I’ll put my hard hat on and get after it this summer. To be honest, I never worked on defense.

Bad coach to tank could be real bad for young players. Clarkson's future is probably combo guard off the bench anyways.
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Post#591 » by Johnstarks » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:22 am

Here's the issue.

Lopez is slow so the dive is slow developing. Defenders go under screens because lin isn't a good 3 point threat on the pnr. Bogs can't make plays if you pass to him so he's only an option in catch and shoot situatuons. RHJ can't shoot so the defender will be cheating in the paint already trying to take away lins biggest strength which is going to the basket and getting ft.

It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties.

I think his raw stats will be better obviously from the uptick in usage. But these are tough conditions for any point guard in the league. Guys like curry, harden, paul might be able to elevate this offense to a playoff type team. But this situation is slightly overwhelming for all but the elite lead guards.
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Post#592 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Aug 9, 2016 5:45 am

Johnstarks wrote:Here's the issue.

Lopez is slow so the dive is slow developing. Defenders go under screens because lin isn't a good 3 point threat on the pnr. Bogs can't make plays if you pass to him so he's only an option in catch and shoot situatuons. RHJ can't shoot so the defender will be cheating in the paint already trying to take away lins biggest strength which is going to the basket and getting ft.

It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties.

I think his raw stats will be better obviously from the uptick in usage. But these are tough conditions for any point guard in the league. Guys like curry, harden, paul might be able to elevate this offense to a playoff type team. But this situation is slightly overwhelming for all but the elite lead guards.


very well said...this is only the issue of offense... the defense probably will be even worse, that's the most concerning part of this squad...
nowadays, the team defense is very important.. the nets don't not have a foundation from leftovers, new coach, new squad... it really takes time for defense to round into shape...Nets don't have a defensive anchor, RHJ is still developing to be a good wing... a long way to go
Lin is in a tough situation, guys probably should not expect too much out of him... Lin is not the type of guy who can run up stats in a bad team... his strength is to alleviate a team's play to get wins, but he needs at least some adequate pieces and time to make it happen....
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Post#593 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Aug 9, 2016 6:07 am

MakeItSplash wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
To be honest, Lin admires Nash but it's unclear how "good of a relationship" Nash and Lin have. Although they were teammates for a season, Nash was injured and not around much. And while it was true that Nash did workout Lin on one occasion; rumored for a team scouting Lin for 2015-16 - there was also other talk that LA media picked up.

Prior to that lone workout, it was abundantly clear Jordan Clarkson was the player under Nash's tutelage to the exclusion of Lin; perhaps even, Nash didn't return Lin's texts was the notorious rumor at the time.

Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson continuing workouts with Steve Nash
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/03/11/lakers-jordan-clarkson-continuing-workouts-with-steve-nash/
"And apparently only [Jordan Clarkson].
“No invite for me,” Lakers point guard Jeremy Lin said, smiling, despite his text messages going unanswered. “It’s all good.”

I think it's the Lakers who were being cheap.


Nash was working with the younger players Clarkson, Randle, and even Ryan Kelly. This was a direct request from GM Mitch Kupchak later in the season. By this time, it was clear Lin wasn't going to be part of the Lakers future. It was also clear that Byron Scott was hired to tank after the worst record in Lakers history last season.

Lin also has his own personal trainers, which he seems very loyal to, and has access to the Nets trainers if he wants it.

Funny thing about Clarkson though, Lakers fans have been criticizing him about his defense and he recently admitted that he hasn't worked on his defense.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2016/04/15/jordan-clarkson-confident-he-will-stay-with-the-lakers/

“I was horrible on the defensive end this year to be honest with you,” Clarkson said. “It’s somewhere I have to make strides. I’ll put my hard hat on and get after it this summer. To be honest, I never worked on defense.


you guys sound like training with Nash would do magic and make lin a different player... Lin is a veteran, he knows what he needs to work on... he is smart to pick up brains from Nash and Kobe, he just has to train hard and train effectively to improve his skills...
i am quite disappointed with his shooting, he has been working on his shooting every summer, but 4 years after linsanity he has not improved much and got worse last season... whatever he worked in summers, it has not worked or paid off...
I'd hope he worked out with some NBA pros in the summer, like what Nash/Dirk, Curry/Beverley etc did ... paired up with some NBA players to make it real.... fooling around with his younger brother, shooting with a machine and his shooting coach obviously are hard to be translated into real NBA games
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Post#594 » by MakeItSplash » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:09 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:you guys sound like training with Nash would do magic and make lin a different player... Lin is a veteran, he knows what he needs to work on... he is smart to pick up brains from Nash and Kobe, he just has to train hard and train effectively to improve his skills...
i am quite disappointed with his shooting, he has been working on his shooting every summer, but 4 years after linsanity he has not improved much and got worse last season... whatever he worked in summers, it has not worked or paid off...
I'd hope he worked out with some NBA pros in the summer, like what Nash/Dirk, Curry/Beverley etc did ... paired up with some NBA players to make it real.... fooling around with his younger brother, shooting with a machine and his shooting coach obviously are hard to be translated into real NBA games


I was responding to the reason why Nash may have not spent as much time with Lin, when they were on the Lakers, not that training with Nash instantly would change him. The workout Lin had with Nash included his jumper, but Nash obviously isn't his personal trainer so we can't expect him to train him often either. I actually agree with your point that Lin is a veteran, but also part of the reason why Nash worked with Clarkson more, who was a rookie at the time and the GM wanted to see Nash work with the younger players.

Lin has been tweaking his jumper ever since he came into the league. He worked with David Jones, before he worked with Doc Scheppler too.His brother plays pro in Taiwan, so that's probably why they train together in the summer. He is loyal to the people close to him. He may very well be training with other NBA players, just not always putting it on social media.

I'd personally like to see Lin use more floaters, which he has said he's worked on in previous summers. There were only a few times he used it in Charlotte. Perhaps with a larger role with the Nets, we'll see how much improvement Lin has really made and can implement in his game next season.
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Everyone else faced with far less tenacity.

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Post#595 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:48 am

All I was saying was that the Lakers were cheap to bar them from working together.

TBF, his shooting had been improving each season except for the last one with the form change for stamina. I fully expect it to be better this season. One could only hope that his imitation of Steph Curry is a success!

I remember he was using quite a lot of floaters with the Knicks. Maybe Atkinson was a part of that. It would surely help. And he was watching films of Tony Parker, most likely would have seen a lot of tear drops.
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Post#596 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:59 am

Johnstarks wrote:Here's the issue.

Lopez is slow so the dive is slow developing. Defenders go under screens because lin isn't a good 3 point threat on the pnr. Bogs can't make plays if you pass to him so he's only an option in catch and shoot situatuons. RHJ can't shoot so the defender will be cheating in the paint already trying to take away lins biggest strength which is going to the basket and getting ft.

It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties.

I think his raw stats will be better obviously from the uptick in usage. But these are tough conditions for any point guard in the league. Guys like curry, harden, paul might be able to elevate this offense to a playoff type team. But this situation is slightly overwhelming for all but the elite lead guards.

Agreed. It is definitely not an ideal situation. However, it might still be able to work out.

Lopez is slow but he shoots a high percentage with a variety of weapons. Booker is fast.
Lin needs to shoot better from deep with the PnR, he was doing quite well some part of last season.
Buds and Kenny transformed Korver into a dangerous playmaking, could he do the same to Bogs?
RHJ does have a midrange, he might be able to shoot 3s better. If not, he could still be cutting to receive passes and if it's real bad, there are other wings that can shoot.

Ultimately, I think the main thing for him is just to improve and play up to a certain solid standard (shoot better, fewer TOs and play well consistently). Just play an exciting brand of basketball that really helps all his teammates and it's good enough for this season.
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Post#597 » by cw3k » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:58 pm

Johnstarks wrote:I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already


I think this is a perfect opportunity for Lins and thr Nets. Nets is projected to take home the honor of the 30th place, basically saying Philly will be better even if they continued to tank. Yet, that mean, if Nets is anything but last place, it will be a winning year for the Nets.
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Post#598 » by steady » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:22 pm

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Johnstarks wrote:Here's the issue.

Lopez is slow so the dive is slow developing. Defenders go under screens because lin isn't a good 3 point threat on the pnr. Bogs can't make plays if you pass to him so he's only an option in catch and shoot situatuons. RHJ can't shoot so the defender will be cheating in the paint already trying to take away lins biggest strength which is going to the basket and getting ft.

It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties.

I think his raw stats will be better obviously from the uptick in usage. But these are tough conditions for any point guard in the league. Guys like curry, harden, paul might be able to elevate this offense to a playoff type team. But this situation is slightly overwhelming for all but the elite lead guards.

Agreed. It is definitely not an ideal situation. However, it might still be able to work out.

Lopez is slow but he shoots a high percentage with a variety of weapons. Booker is fast.
Lin needs to shoot better from deep with the PnR, he was doing quite well some part of last season.
Buds and Kenny transformed Korver into a dangerous playmaking, could he do the same to Bogs?
RHJ does have a midrange, he might be able to shoot 3s better. If not, he could still be cutting to receive passes and if it's real bad, there are other wings that can shoot.

Ultimately, I think the main thing for him is just to improve and play up to a certain solid standard (shoot better, fewer TOs and play well consistently). Just play an exciting brand of basketball that really helps all his teammates and it's good enough for this season.


Not so worried about Lopez's speed, Lin will find a way to help him score even more. What I am interested to see is Lopez's ability to get rebounds and set good screens. Both of those things will be crucial to the style of play they want to play

In terms of playmaking, yes, Bojan probably is not the best, but RHJ showed some potential during summer league, Greivis, if he recovers to anywhere near his usual level of play, could be a great 1-2 combination with Lin, and... you know who has the potential to be another great playmaker, ... LeVert. There's Randy Foye too.

There are a lot of X factors, we just won't know until the season starts.

RE: "It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties." ... Of course, that's true. :-) ... Nets will do really well -- it will be a success for them just to win 30 games. It will be a great success if just a few the players take a big step forward -- like Kemba, Marvin, Lin, Frank, and Cody did for Charlotte last year.

With Atkinson as coach and what we are hearing out of HSS from Brook and others, though, that seems at least an outside possibility, and that will hopefully make the season fun to watch, even if the team is not winning a lot.
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Post#599 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:46 pm

cw3k wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:I feel bad for lin. He's finally getting a real opportunity to start but even if he puts up decent numbers the detractors will Hammer the nets terrible record.

This really is a nightmare roster to put him on though. They don't have a secondary ball handler and they don't have much outside shooting.

Maybe by year 3 they will be able to pick up enough pieces around him. I feel like he's going to wear out by having ridiculously high usage rates given lack of shooting and creators around him. He's an injury risk as often as he drives already


I think this is a perfect opportunity for Lins and thr Nets. Nets is projected to take home the honor of the 30th place, basically saying Philly will be better even if they continued to tank. Yet, that mean, if Nets is anything but last place, it will be a winning year for the Nets.


Here's the optimistic perspective:

- This is a great opportunity for Lin and the Nets. Expectations could not be any lower so anything positive will be seen as a success.
- I subscribe to the theory that people perform their best when thrown into the deep end, which is another way of saying that people will tend to step up when given the opportunity. MIA losing Wade will be tough but I think you'll also see a career year from Dragic. Is CJ McCollum this good or did he just have a chance to shine when POR lost most of their starting five a year ago?
- BOS managed to win 48 games and they had some horrendous 3PT shooters: Turner (24%), Sullinger (28%), Smart (25%), Amir Johnson (23%). On the Nets, Lin, Bogs, Skil, Booker, Levert, CMC, Harris, Vasquez, Scola, Hamilton, and Foye all have the potential to shoot 34% or higher.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#600 » by Johnstarks » Tue Aug 9, 2016 8:50 pm

steady wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:Here's the issue.

Lopez is slow so the dive is slow developing. Defenders go under screens because lin isn't a good 3 point threat on the pnr. Bogs can't make plays if you pass to him so he's only an option in catch and shoot situatuons. RHJ can't shoot so the defender will be cheating in the paint already trying to take away lins biggest strength which is going to the basket and getting ft.

It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties.

I think his raw stats will be better obviously from the uptick in usage. But these are tough conditions for any point guard in the league. Guys like curry, harden, paul might be able to elevate this offense to a playoff type team. But this situation is slightly overwhelming for all but the elite lead guards.

Agreed. It is definitely not an ideal situation. However, it might still be able to work out.

Lopez is slow but he shoots a high percentage with a variety of weapons. Booker is fast.
Lin needs to shoot better from deep with the PnR, he was doing quite well some part of last season.
Buds and Kenny transformed Korver into a dangerous playmaking, could he do the same to Bogs?
RHJ does have a midrange, he might be able to shoot 3s better. If not, he could still be cutting to receive passes and if it's real bad, there are other wings that can shoot.

Ultimately, I think the main thing for him is just to improve and play up to a certain solid standard (shoot better, fewer TOs and play well consistently). Just play an exciting brand of basketball that really helps all his teammates and it's good enough for this season.


Not so worried about Lopez's speed, Lin will find a way to help him score even more. What I am interested to see is Lopez's ability to get rebounds and set good screens. Both of those things will be crucial to the style of play they want to play

In terms of playmaking, yes, Bojan probably is not the best, but RHJ showed some potential during summer league, Greivis, if he recovers to anywhere near his usual level of play, could be a great 1-2 combination with Lin, and... you know who has the potential to be another great playmaker, ... LeVert. There's Randy Foye too.

There are a lot of X factors, we just won't know until the season starts.

RE: "It's just nearly as good of a situation he had in charlotte surrounded by lee, marvin as shooters and kemba or batum as scorers who share ballhandling/facilitating duties." ... Of course, that's true. :-) ... Nets will do really well -- it will be a success for them just to win 30 games. It will be a great success if just a few the players take a big step forward -- like Kemba, Marvin, Lin, Frank, and Cody did for Charlotte last year.

With Atkinson as coach and what we are hearing out of HSS from Brook and others, though, that seems at least an outside possibility, and that will hopefully make the season fun to watch, even if the team is not winning a lot.


Lopez is a great offensive rebounder a lot of which is due to the position he gets when teams front him to deny the entry passes because heshe so tough to stop if he catches the ball down low. Obviously I haven't seen RHJ play much and his numbers indicate he's a marksman from midrange so it's possible he becomes a passable 3 pt shooter this year but highly unlikely given his awful 3 pt shooting at both levels so far. Vazquez is done in all likelihood his numbers reflect a guy on his last year in the league not someone expected to bounce back. I'd definitely wager on Foye being out of the league after this season. He looks completely washed up and only brought in as a veteran presemce. Hoenstly, I'm kinda surprised they signed him given how remarkably useless he was in both den and okc even surrounded by elite talent.

LeVert does have playmaking ability bit with his injuries he might not be an instant impact this season. Ultimately, I think he's got the potential to be a top 5 player in this draft along with valentine but I don't expect a monster year from him.

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

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