Official 2019 Brooklyn Nets Offseason Thread

[Prokorov]

Assuming Bucks Tor and Sixers keep their team together, our ceiling with Russell/Kyrie is 4th behind those teams. We have no way to deal with Giannis, Embiid, and Kawhi/Siakam.

Barring some massive leaps by Allen and Rodi at the 5/4 spots, at least...

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This is why that Prince deal was important, Prince is long and agile enough to guard these guys. I'm not sure how good he is on defense now but he has those tools to give those guys some fits, except Embiid. We need a bruiser center for Embiid, a Aaron Baynes type guy. A heavy guy that Embiid can't move, Embiid didn't have the best series against a heavy set guy like Gasol. Get a cheap guy like Bogut, Pachulia, Nene, O'Quinn, Koufas.. just a guy that will be a brick wall for Embiid and Drummond, play him 15 minutes if we ever run into Embiid in the playoffs. Ed Davis did a good job on Embiid before he got injured but I don't think he's tall enough.

Ok so this is the list of bruiser centers we can sign for cheap.. I'm bringing it up again for the ppl that didn't see this. These guys can play about 15 mins on Embiid if Allen is being dominated.

Bogut
Pachulia
Nene
O'Quinn
Koufas
Ed Davis
Robin Lopez (not cheap)

Most of these guys shouldn't cost more than BAE or vets min. I like O'Quinn alot. He's tough, he can pass and rebound. Ed Davis did a good job on Embiid before he got hurt.

we cant afford ed davis

lopez and koufos are trash. bogut cant be relied on to stay healthy. nene is a headcase and bad culture fit.

pachulia and oquinn fit. id add tyson chandler to the list if he can still get up and down the floor.

[Papi_swav]

This is why that Prince deal was important, Prince is long and agile enough to guard these guys. I'm not sure how good he is on defense now but he has those tools to give those guys some fits, except Embiid. We need a bruiser center for Embiid, a Aaron Baynes type guy. A heavy guy that Embiid can't move, Embiid didn't have the best series against a heavy set guy like Gasol. Get a cheap guy like Bogut, Pachulia, Nene, O'Quinn, Koufas.. just a guy that will be a brick wall for Embiid and Drummond, play him 15 minutes if we ever run into Embiid in the playoffs. Ed Davis did a good job on Embiid before he got injured but I don't think he's tall enough.

Ok so this is the list of bruiser centers we can sign for cheap.. I'm bringing it up again for the ppl that didn't see this. These guys can play about 15 mins on Embiid if Allen is being dominated.

Bogut
Pachulia
Nene
O'Quinn
Koufas
Ed Davis
Robin Lopez (not cheap)

Most of these guys shouldn't cost more than BAE or vets min. I like O'Quinn alot. He's tough, he can pass and rebound. Ed Davis did a good job on Embiid before he got hurt.

we cant afford ed davis

lopez and koufos are trash. bogut cant be relied on to stay healthy. nene is a headcase and bad culture fit.

pachulia and oquinn fit. id add tyson chandler to the list if he can still get up and down the floor.

Would we have the MLE if we sign 2 top guys?

[Claud]

Yeah, I think Ed Davis is gone also. He's going to get a nice contract from some team that's for sure.

Our PFs are Kurucs/Prince and centers Allen/Williams... definitely very lightweight. We need a physical big that can help vs the Kanters/Bobans of the league. Not worried about Allen though. He needs to continue to gain experience plus add some muscle and he'll be golden.

Looks like kyrie to Nets seems like a done deal. I hope this doesn't mean Russell is gone because I'll be devastated.
Dlo is our home grown star and i feel can reach Kyrie Irving level in a few years. I don't mind pairing kyrie/Dlo though. Could be a very intriguing offensive force. I would be very disappointed if we lose Dlo to sign Butler/Harris, etc... only way I can't complain about it is if we sign Kawhi or KD over Dlo.

Another thing, If kyrie is a done deal and Russ stays then that makes Dinwiddie somewhat obsolete.
Kyrie + LeVert + Dlo is more than enough. I would not be shocked if Din is moved to upgrade our forward/center positions.

[NetsJets]

Sure you could do that but guys are going to being getting paid soon. You can't shell out big deals and stay flexible. Sure they overachieved and we could get better but how much better? Is this core going to explode with Russell, Levert, and Allen from the 6th seed to contenders, highly unlikely. Once their rookie deals run out in a few years you are going to have Russell (27M), Harris (15M), Dinwiddie (11M), Levert (18-22M), Allen (4M last year of rookie deal with 15M cap hold coming in 2021).

By 2021-2022 all those guys will be getting paid and you won't have room for a max contract likely.

Eventually you have to go for it. It doesn't have to be this season but we likely aren't in position to land two max stars again. Getting bounced in round 1 for the next 2-3 years will get old fast and the young up and coming team goes from lovable to frustrating because they just aren't good enough to contend.

It's a fine line to walk between keeping a likable team and not contending and bringing in a talent like Kyrie and trying to contend.

The Crabbe deal signals the latter where we are likely to pursue high end talent at the expense of probably guys like RHJ and Russell.

Of course certain players might slip thru the cracks, but you rely mostly on internal improvement and filling the holes elsewhere in free agency and finding low risk high reward talent. We’re not winning a championship with Kyrie and Jimmy Butler, so might as well keep doing what we’re doing.

That's fine if you want to do that it's not right or wrong but you don't trade 2 firsts to dump Crabbe if you are staying the course. That tells me we are not going slow but pushing for at least 1 max (Kyrie) and maybe even 2 if possible.

We are pushing the chips into the middle this year it's pretty clear.

Addition by subtraction. Save money, create more cap flexibility, and allow others like Musa to step into that role Crabbe filled last season.

[Rockice_24]

Of course certain players might slip thru the cracks, but you rely mostly on internal improvement and filling the holes elsewhere in free agency and finding low risk high reward talent. We’re not winning a championship with Kyrie and Jimmy Butler, so might as well keep doing what we’re doing.

That's fine if you want to do that it's not right or wrong but you don't trade 2 firsts to dump Crabbe if you are staying the course. That tells me we are not going slow but pushing for at least 1 max (Kyrie) and maybe even 2 if possible.

We are pushing the chips into the middle this year it's pretty clear.

Addition by subtraction. Save money, create more cap flexibility, and allow others like Musa to step into that role Crabbe filled last season.

Eh, why lose 2 assets though. With Marks draft record having #17 and 2020 1st is big for him. Guy can find a stud with his track record why take that away just to make room for Musa. Just bench Crabbe and use him as a deadline asset (expiring). I don't see it like that I see it as making room for a reason.

[Paradise]

I think people are forgetting that Irving is a Top 3 PG at his best.

I know D’Lo is our homegrown star and all but I find it hard to believe he could do this before age 27. Right now.

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Yes, he’s absolutely got a ways to go but I’m not denying the upgrade in experience, talent and finishing ability Kyrie brings that D’Lo simply may never be that great at.

This isn’t exactly a 30 year old either. Irving still fits our timeline. He’s the same age Dinwiddie will be soon and only three years older than Caris.

I don’t want to lose him either and we should absolutely exhaust every option before moving on from re-signing D’Lo but I’m sure Wizards fans wouldn’t want to trade Bradley Beal for James Harden either but talent is talent...

We do well with Irving + our core and we could possibly attract a star next summer via trade or FA or 2021. Irving would still only be 29.

[NetsJets]

That's fine if you want to do that it's not right or wrong but you don't trade 2 firsts to dump Crabbe if you are staying the course. That tells me we are not going slow but pushing for at least 1 max (Kyrie) and maybe even 2 if possible.

We are pushing the chips into the middle this year it's pretty clear.

Addition by subtraction. Save money, create more cap flexibility, and allow others like Musa to step into that role Crabbe filled last season.

Eh, why lose 2 assets though. With Marks draft record having #17 and 2020 1st is big for him. Guy can find a stud with his track record why take that away just to make room for Musa. Just bench Crabbe and use him as a deadline asset (expiring). I don't see it like that I see it as making room for a reason.

Roster space and cap relief. And they already essentially traded him for a asset. I do believe that there is some truth to them trying to add Kyrie and another star, I just prefer they continue what they’ve been doing.

[Rockice_24]

Addition by subtraction. Save money, create more cap flexibility, and allow others like Musa to step into that role Crabbe filled last season.

Eh, why lose 2 assets though. With Marks draft record having #17 and 2020 1st is big for him. Guy can find a stud with his track record why take that away just to make room for Musa. Just bench Crabbe and use him as a deadline asset (expiring). I don't see it like that I see it as making room for a reason.

Roster space and cap relief. And they already essentially traded him for a asset. I do believe that there is some truth to them trying to add Kyrie and another star, I just prefer they continue what they’ve been doing.

I'd be happy either way so if we do strike out we will be fine moving forward which is good.

I do want to know what a team of Kyrie, Russell paired up can do though.

[NetsJets]

Eh, why lose 2 assets though. With Marks draft record having #17 and 2020 1st is big for him. Guy can find a stud with his track record why take that away just to make room for Musa. Just bench Crabbe and use him as a deadline asset (expiring). I don't see it like that I see it as making room for a reason.

Roster space and cap relief. And they already essentially traded him for a asset. I do believe that there is some truth to them trying to add Kyrie and another star, I just prefer they continue what they’ve been doing.

I'd be happy either way so if we do strike out we will be fine moving forward which is good.

I do want to know what a team of Kyrie, Russell paired up can do though.

Do you think it could work? I don’t see them complimenting each other that well.

[Netaman]

Roster space and cap relief. And they already essentially traded him for a asset. I do believe that there is some truth to them trying to add Kyrie and another star, I just prefer they continue what they’ve been doing.

I'd be happy either way so if we do strike out we will be fine moving forward which is good.

I do want to know what a team of Kyrie, Russell paired up can do though.

Do you think it could work? I don’t see them complimenting each other that well.

DLo and Dinwiddie complimented each other well, so I don't see why Irving + Dlo isn't at least worth a shot. Irving's game is more comparable to Dinwiddie's than DLo's IMO.

I like both Dinwiddie and DLo but if we sign Irving 1 of them is likely going to be gone, I'd rather be able to get a pick for Dinwiddie than lose DLo for nothing.

[Rockice_24]

Roster space and cap relief. And they already essentially traded him for a asset. I do believe that there is some truth to them trying to add Kyrie and another star, I just prefer they continue what they’ve been doing.

I'd be happy either way so if we do strike out we will be fine moving forward which is good.

I do want to know what a team of Kyrie, Russell paired up can do though.

Do you think it could work? I don’t see them complimenting each other that well.

I really do. Russell can handle the stronger guards and both can create shots for the other. We had some high usage iso players (Russell, Din, Levert) so I see no reason a talent like Kyrie wouldn't slide right in especially if you have great shooters like Harris, Prince (or Tobias if we are lucky) with them on the perimeter.

Could you imagine an offense with two do it all PG's, two elite shooters (Joe and Tobias), and a good PnR C in Allen. That would kill in our system.

[Born_Ready]

Man to be a fly or gnat flying around in Sean Marks office the next few weeks would be dope. I'm curious to see what he has cooking up..

[SpeedyG]

We talked about it a lot during the season...Russells game is predicated on the pnr. That was his bread and butter. However, he struggled quite a bit when it comes to simply blowing by his man. He had flashes, but it really was few and far between.

What is evident from the playoffs is that teams will switch a lot...for us that's a double whammy. It kills our three point shooting, and it also disrupts our pnr (unless Jarett learns to really be a threat as a roll guy instead of just being a lob guy).

Kyrie, of course, is just as an elite ISO guy as he is a PNR guy. We can give teams different looks with him over Russell.

Still, I would like to try and see if they can make it work together...unless a Kawhi or Durant is walking in with Kyrie.

I've talked a bit how much of an anomaly statistically Russell was as a lead guard, that he was more similar to a Klay Thompson despite having high usage.

I'm not sure why we can't try kind of lowering Russell's usage and have him function more as an off ball shooter with elite vision and passing alongside a premier playmaker in Kyrie

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[JKiddy]

I trust our FO more than our feelings.

But, I do not want to lose both Russell and Dinwiddie. That is just nonsense.

I hope we can keep both.

I have no clue what is going to happen now since there is so much in play and every 6 hours I see something different that can happen.

Let's stay calm through July 1st.

DLO stay here man.

[NetsJets]

I'd be happy either way so if we do strike out we will be fine moving forward which is good.

I do want to know what a team of Kyrie, Russell paired up can do though.

Do you think it could work? I don’t see them complimenting each other that well.

I really do. Russell can handle the stronger guards and both can create shots for the other. We had some high usage iso players (Russell, Din, Levert) so I see no reason a talent like Kyrie wouldn't slide right in especially if you have great shooters like Harris, Prince (or Tobias if we are lucky) with them on the perimeter.

Could you imagine an offense with two do it all PG's, two elite shooters (Joe and Tobias), and a good PnR C in Allen. That would kill in our system.

Solid points.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'd bet Dinwiddie and Joe Harris will both be traded for nearly all cap space on Thursday, or right around free agency. I think they're going to try and keep DLo, sign Irving and 1 of Kawhi, KD, Tobias or Butler.

[Prokorov]

The Horford thing says ALOT about how toxic the young kids in Boston are. with Kyrie out of the picture Horford turned down 30 million and still decided to leave Boston.

Kyrie took all the heat, but the young kids egos went into over drive after that ECF run. Kyrie was never the real problem,,, he never wanted to be in boston and had to put up with a season of toddler thinking they are hot stuff because they squeaked by a flawed sixers team.

[Born_Ready]

This may have already been discussed in other threads, but please tell me Al Horford would NOT be an option for Brooklyn. I do not want. I know Kenny loves him though.

[JoseRizal]

This may have already been discussed in other threads, but please tell me Al Horford would NOT be an option for Brooklyn. I do not want. I know Kenny loves him though.

If he would accept a 15M/year contract I think he would fit right in as our starting PF next to Allen. His defense would definitely help us in defending Embiid & Giannis if we ever want to go far in the playoffs. He’s be the perfect big in our system, both offense & defense wise.

[jeff1624]

This may have already been discussed in other threads, but please tell me Al Horford would NOT be an option for Brooklyn. I do not want. I know Kenny loves him though.

Why not? he'd literally be the best PF this team has had since K-Mart.