GT: Nets @ Cavs - Wednesday, 1/20/21 | 7:00pm EST | YES | The Big 3 Debut!

[Prokorov]

But offense isn't the issue here, defense and frontcourt depth are.

Joe would be an upgrade over Kyrie on the defensive end. He's a bigger body that gives effort. Put Bruce Brown out there to guard the 1.

See, here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.

1) You put Joe in the same sentence as Klay Thompson

2) You think that Joe is a defensive upgrade over Kyrie.

Both of those things are ridiculous. Joe is a solid player but he's an average to below average defender at best. Kyrie isn't anywhere near the defensive liability that casual watchers think that he is. Last night isn't some indictment, by the time we hit the 2nd OT he was over 50 mins and was gassed after a long layoff.

Also, the idea that we should bench a player putting up 28/5/6 on 51/42/96 is absolutely absurd and most likely agenda driven.

Yea you can tell who watches and who doesnt. 2 narratives on the general board and this guy in here have been pushing since the game ended:

1) Kyrie isnt playing like a 3rd option; is the reason harden had 2 shots at the half
2) Kyrie defensively is killing the nets, Harris should start and/or trade Kyrie for defense

I'm not sure which one is more head-scratchingly awful. But lets play it through for the fun of it.

1) Kyrie deffered Point Guard/Ball Handling duties to Harden on all possessions that started with an inbounds where both were on the floor (the majority of the game) Kyrie only assumed that role off of rebounds/pushing the ball or when Harden sat. Kyrie scored 37 on catch and shoot or decisive quick dribble pull ups. he wasnt out there pounding the air out of the ball. But dont take my word for it...

Catch and shoot three
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=15[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=15

Catch and go on the fast break
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=24[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=24

Kyrie's first points off lead guard/PNR... note: Harden on bench
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=33[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=33

Kyrie catch off the ball, pump, dribble pull up
[youtube]http://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=42[/youtube]
http://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=42

Vs. the Zone, Kyrie flash to the open area at the FT line, quick rise jumper
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=62[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=62

Kyrie's first iso tons of dribbling sequence... came when he had drummond switched on him
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=88[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=88

Harden drive, Kyrie in the corner catch and shoot three
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=121[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=121

Harris drive and missed layup, kyrie offensive rebound and putback - biggest shot of the night for the nets
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=134[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=134

Kyrie off a screen catch and shoot straight away 3 to start OT
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=143[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=143

Kyrie trailing Harden on the break, catch dribble drive pull up
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=153[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=153

2) Kyrie being a poor defender, or playing poorly last night, is absurd. Down 113-110 irving steals from ossman, nets hit a 3 to tie. then in first overtime, down nets up 120-117 with 40 seconds left irving blocks sexton. Harden would miss the dagger 3. Iriving then defends sexton on the three sexton hit to tie the game as well as anyone can in a situaiton where you cant foul.

Nets better with Kyrie defensively by every measure/Kyrie positive defensively by every measure (DBPM, DRPM, DRAPM, PPP allowed per 100.) Kyrie is in 5 of the nets top 6 defensive 5-man lineups (small sample but still)

Kyrie comes back after missing 7 games, drops 37 on great efficiency while sacraficing ball handling duties, hit all the big shots for the nets after keeping it close to end the first half, but its all kyrie's fault somehow

haters gonna hate

[NetsJets]

if by "because he is kyrie" you mean "because he is a 28/6/5 player on 50/40/90" then yeah.... thats why.

there is no way Harris fits better. Kyrie is just as elite offensively off the ball. twice the player harris is off ball. and better defensively.

Harris is the better shooter and doesn’t need the ball.

Who shot 2-10 last night, Kyrie or Joe?

Nitpicking bad games?

[Prokorov]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

Kyrie was the only reason we were even in the game last night.

Harden and Harris were both bad.

The only reason Kyrie is getting blamed is because it fits the pre-game narrative that he ruined the team.

Any outcome with a loss would have caused people to reach this conclusion.

This is a projection. I never implied any of that. I only said Harris would be better in the starting lineup because of his ability to space the floor and play off ball next to the two stars. Because Kyrie is who he is he’s earned the right to be the starter for various reasons including being better than Joe.

Kyrie is a better off-ball player then Harris. it is hard to make an argument otherwise. he shoots it at 42% from deep on high volume (including 58% from three on catch and shoot threes and 50% on corner threes. Kyrie won a title next to a superstar as an off-ball player. there is really no argument projection or otherwise that harris is a better option to start then kyrie

[Hello Brooklyn]

I love Harris but hes almost a luxury at this point.

Would you guys be completely opposed to trading him for a good defensive wing player?

It sounds stupid to trade a shooter, but I think its a move we should look at.

[Prokorov]

The free agent market is dry and you don't have much cap space.

Both of these statements are untrue:

1) there are plenty of solid FA's out there that fit us in several ways:
-RHJ is a former net, can defend 1 through 5, high energy player and is a free agent
-MKG is a former teammate of kyrie, from NJ, can defend 1 through 5 and is a high energy player
-Dwayne dedmon would be a big upgrade defensively who can also stretch the floor as a 5
-Faried is a former net who can rebound, finish, and played with harden prior
-Allen crabbe is a former net who could replace prince pretty seamlessly
-Kyle O'quinn played across town for the knicks and is a solid defender and rebounder

2) We have cap space. we have the tax payer MLE (6 million) and DPE for dinwiddie (5.8 million). the names above could be had for the minimum. players who are bought out could get more from us then other capped out teams without those exceptions, so we would have a leg up.

Kyrie is virtually untradeable.

This is irrelevant since we would never trade him. doing so would lower our floor, and remove a guy with championship experience

You might be fooled by Kyrie's numbers, but I'm not. It's just like Westbrook's 3 triple double seasons. They are kind of cut from the same cloth. Russ is a freakish athlete that puts up insane numbers. Kyrie is a freakishly skilled player that puts up insane numbers. Neither really know how to play the game and are basically uncoachable.

Russ is nothing like Kyrie. Kyrie is one of the games elite shooters. your not stat padding a 50/40/90 type season on high volume like you can rebounds and assists. Kyrie has won a title. he has been in the playoffs and a high seed on the cavs and celtics and will again with the nets. his post season resume is outstanding.

Your only real assets are Dinwiddie and Harris. Harris will attract a lot of interest. He was one of the most sought after free agents this past off season. Not sure when you are eligible to trade him, but he could bring back a serviceable wing and center. You've got some problems to address and some tough decisions to make. Ultimately, this is what happens when you let players become GMs. They are like 12 year olds playing NBA2K.

Nets are build fine. we need some low leverl role guys who are easily attainable

[Prokorov]

Because he’s Kyrie got it.

So instead of backing up your argument with facts, you stick to foolishness. Got it.

What is in that link that’s going to change my mind that Harris would be a better fit next to Harden and KD in the starting lineup?

Kyries on/off?
Kyries compoarable on/off to harris?
Kyrie's superior off-ball numbers to harris?
Kyrie's superior defensive metrics?
Kyrie's superior defensive countings stats"
Kyrie's superior defensive +/-?

Further if you look at 5 man lineups, KD better next to Kyrie when joe is off, vs KD next to Joe with kyrie off. Kyrie has only played 1 game with harden so the 5 man lineup data for that isnt up yet, but Kyrie was +3 on joe last night on/off so one it posts that will tell the same story.

I think the better question is, what do you have beyond "JoE HaRRis is da betta option Yo" to change any EDUCATED nets fans who WATCHED the games fact based opinions, given Kyrie statistically is a better off ball shooter at every level, FT shooter, scorer and defender?

[Prokorov]

I second the notion of Harris fitting better than Kyrie in the starting lineup. But because he’s Kyrie he has to start.

if by "because he is kyrie" you mean "because he is a 28/6/5 player on 50/40/90" then yeah.... thats why.

there is no way Harris fits better. Kyrie is just as elite offensively off the ball. twice the player harris is off ball. and better defensively.

Harris is the better shooter and doesn’t need the ball.

1) Harris is not the better shooter.

2) Harris does need the ball.

Joes raw 3-point percentage is higher, but you need to **** for Kyrie having a higher volume of threes and more off the dribble threes. on catch and shoot, kyrie is better from three. and kyrie is much better mid range as well. Harris is of course a great shooter in his own right, but Kyrie does everything harris does as a floor spacer and a catch and shoot player while putting infinitely more pressure on a defener closing out

If harris doesnt have the ball he isnt defending or setting elite screens. he is just spacing the floor, which kyrie does just as well.

[NetsJets]

Kyrie was the only reason we were even in the game last night.

Harden and Harris were both bad.

The only reason Kyrie is getting blamed is because it fits the pre-game narrative that he ruined the team.

Any outcome with a loss would have caused people to reach this conclusion.

This is a projection. I never implied any of that. I only said Harris would be better in the starting lineup because of his ability to space the floor and play off ball next to the two stars. Because Kyrie is who he is he’s earned the right to be the starter for various reasons including being better than Joe.

Kyrie is a better off-ball player then Harris. it is hard to make an argument otherwise. he shoots it at 42% from deep on high volume (including 58% from three on catch and shoot threes and 50% on corner threes. Kyrie won a title next to a superstar as an off-ball player. there is really no argument projection or otherwise that harris is a better option to start then kyrie

Kyrie in Cleveland was the secondary ball handler next to LeBron there wasn’t another guy that needed touches especially with Love sacrificing a lot. We have 2 guys that are ball dominant having a floor spacer and someone that doesn’t need the ball works better IMO. Throughout the game they were just going my turn your turn and isolating a lot. Harris is still the better shooter that’s a fact you can’t argue against. But at the end of the day he will be starting so this argument is moot.

[Prokorov]

We do not have elite bench depth. We have a rookie as a back up center, no viable back up PG, and TLC and Shamet are unreliable.

The Big 3 had to play 40+ mins well before overtime. That flies right in the face of having elite depth.

Losing Allen, LeVert and Prince were the cost of doing business but let's not pretend that it didn't impact the bench.

Here is our depth after KD/ Kyrie pre-trade | Post trade

Levert | Harden
Harris | Harris
Green | Green
Allen | Perry
Jordan | Jordan
Brown | Brown
Shamet | Shamet
TLC | TLC
Prince | whoever

IF you dont think we have elite depth now then you cant say we had it before. there is no way the gap between allen and perry/DJ is bigger then the gap between Levert and Harden. And prince was in and out of the rotation and will almost certainly be replace by more of an energy/defensive type.

Before the trade our second unit features zero all-nba players. not it features 1-2 at all times. most teams cant field 2 all-nba players as starters. half the league doesnt field 1

Well, it became clear early on that we collectively were overrating how much depth that we had on top of the fact that Dinwiddie went down.

Losing Allen, LeVert and Prince hurt because Perry is green, while Shamet and TLC leave a lot to be desired. That's a significant downgrade.

It's a boost that we get to have one of the Big 3 always on the floor, yes, but not if they have to log 40 mins each for us to win. we only got 10 points from the bench out of 135 points scored that's not good.

We need some help depth wise.

you cant call allen/prince a significant downgrade without calling harden a significat upgrade. it simply doesnt work that way. especially when you consider harden plays more minutes then levert as well.

Lets throw prince out too. TLC/Shamet give us 95% of what he could have given and whomever we sign as wing can as well and probebly better defense.

As i said, all we really lose depth wise was allen, which isnt insignificant, but its not like we went from deep to no bench. our second unit is almost gauranteed to be better, given a star will be running it

[Prokorov]

Harris is the better shooter and doesn’t need the ball.

Who shot 2-10 last night, Kyrie or Joe?

Nitpicking bad games?

Nitpicking? he is LITERALLY describing the cavs game in the game thread for the cavs game.

[Prokorov]

I love Harris but hes almost a luxury at this point.

Would you guys be completely opposed to trading him for a good defensive wing player?

It sounds stupid to trade a shooter, but I think its a move we should look at.

I would. you can get defenders alot cheaper then an in-prime top 10 three point shooter who can put it on the floor a bit.

id rather just sign RHJ, MKG, or trade for another brown.

[NetsJets]

if by "because he is kyrie" you mean "because he is a 28/6/5 player on 50/40/90" then yeah.... thats why.

there is no way Harris fits better. Kyrie is just as elite offensively off the ball. twice the player harris is off ball. and better defensively.

Harris is the better shooter and doesn’t need the ball.

1) Harris is not the better shooter.

2) Harris does need the ball.

Joes raw 3-point percentage is higher, but you need to **** for Kyrie having a higher volume of threes and more off the dribble threes. on catch and shoot, kyrie is better from three. and kyrie is much better mid range as well. Harris is of course a great shooter in his own right, but Kyrie does everything harris does as a floor spacer and a catch and shoot player while putting infinitely more pressure on a defener closing out

If harris doesnt have the ball he isnt defending or setting elite screens. he is just spacing the floor, which kyrie does just as well.

Harris is not the better what? Are you saying this just because? No one is arguing that Harris is the better player. Harris is the better fit next to KD and Harden.

[NetsJets]

Who shot 2-10 last night, Kyrie or Joe?

Nitpicking bad games?

Nitpicking? he is LITERALLY describing the cavs game in the game thread for the cavs game.

He had a bad game in this game. When Kyrie had a bad shooting game a while back what did that mean in the grand scheme?

[Prokorov]

This is a projection. I never implied any of that. I only said Harris would be better in the starting lineup because of his ability to space the floor and play off ball next to the two stars. Because Kyrie is who he is he’s earned the right to be the starter for various reasons including being better than Joe.

Kyrie is a better off-ball player then Harris. it is hard to make an argument otherwise. he shoots it at 42% from deep on high volume (including 58% from three on catch and shoot threes and 50% on corner threes. Kyrie won a title next to a superstar as an off-ball player. there is really no argument projection or otherwise that harris is a better option to start then kyrie

Kyrie in Cleveland was the secondary ball handler next to LeBron there wasn’t another guy that needed touches especially with Love sacrificing a lot. We have 2 guys that are ball dominant having a floor spacer and someone that doesn’t need the ball works better IMO. Throughout the game they were just going my turn your turn and isolating a lot. Harris is still the better shooter that’s a fact you can’t argue against. But at the end of the day he will be starting so this argument is moot.

I mean, its so wrong its confusing as to how you got here. Kyrie was the second ball handler in CLE and he was the second ball handler last night. how exactly is that an issue? Durant still gets his touches, he led us in scoring.

if you want to talk facts go back a few posts were i literally posted VIDEO of kyries scoring which shows 90% of it was off ball within the flow of the offense. off screens, off pin downs, in the corner spacing the floor.

Harris is not a better shooter then kyrie.

-Kyrie higher pecentage on catch and shoot threes
-Kyrie higher percentage on corner threes
-Kyrie higher percentage mid range
-kyrie higher percentage at the rim

thats the off ball stuff. Kyrie's overall 3 point percentage is lower, but thats due to him shooting 3 more attempts per game/much higher volume and taking more threes off the dribble.

Kyrie is simply a better shooter then harris in every aspect. unless you think harris would sustain his 7% shooting margin over kyrie if he took 3 more threes a game running point off of cross overs.

[MrDollarBills]

Joe would be an upgrade over Kyrie on the defensive end. He's a bigger body that gives effort. Put Bruce Brown out there to guard the 1.

See, here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.

1) You put Joe in the same sentence as Klay Thompson

2) You think that Joe is a defensive upgrade over Kyrie.

Both of those things are ridiculous. Joe is a solid player but he's an average to below average defender at best. Kyrie isn't anywhere near the defensive liability that casual watchers think that he is. Last night isn't some indictment, by the time we hit the 2nd OT he was over 50 mins and was gassed after a long layoff.

Also, the idea that we should bench a player putting up 28/5/6 on 51/42/96 is absolutely absurd and most likely agenda driven.

Yea you can tell who watches and who doesnt. 2 narratives on the general board and this guy in here have been pushing since the game ended:

1) Kyrie isnt playing like a 3rd option; is the reason harden had 2 shots at the half
2) Kyrie defensively is killing the nets, Harris should start and/or trade Kyrie for defense

I'm not sure which one is more head-scratchingly awful. But lets play it through for the fun of it.

1) Kyrie deffered Point Guard/Ball Handling duties to Harden on all possessions that started with an inbounds where both were on the floor (the majority of the game) Kyrie only assumed that role off of rebounds/pushing the ball or when Harden sat. Kyrie scored 37 on catch and shoot or decisive quick dribble pull ups. he wasnt out there pounding the air out of the ball. But dont take my word for it...

Catch and shoot three
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=15[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=15

Catch and go on the fast break
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=24[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=24

Kyrie's first points off lead guard/PNR... note: Harden on bench
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=33[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=33

Kyrie catch off the ball, pump, dribble pull up
[youtube]http://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=42[/youtube]
http://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=42

Vs. the Zone, Kyrie flash to the open area at the FT line, quick rise jumper
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=62[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=62

Kyrie's first iso tons of dribbling sequence... came when he had drummond switched on him
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=88[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=88

Harden drive, Kyrie in the corner catch and shoot three
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=121[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=121

Harris drive and missed layup, kyrie offensive rebound and putback - biggest shot of the night for the nets
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=134[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=134

Kyrie off a screen catch and shoot straight away 3 to start OT
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=143[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=143

Kyrie trailing Harden on the break, catch dribble drive pull up
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=153[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/CleNw81LbFg?t=153

2) Kyrie being a poor defender, or playing poorly last night, is absurd. Down 113-110 irving steals from ossman, nets hit a 3 to tie. then in first overtime, down nets up 120-117 with 40 seconds left irving blocks sexton. Harden would miss the dagger 3. Iriving then defends sexton on the three sexton hit to tie the game as well as anyone can in a situaiton where you cant foul.

Nets better with Kyrie defensively by every measure/Kyrie positive defensively by every measure (DBPM, DRPM, DRAPM, PPP allowed per 100.) Kyrie is in 5 of the nets top 6 defensive 5-man lineups (small sample but still)

Kyrie comes back after missing 7 games, drops 37 on great efficiency while sacraficing ball handling duties, hit all the big shots for the nets after keeping it close to end the first half, but its all kyrie's fault somehow

haters gonna hate

Correct on all points. It's just agenda driven nonsense devoid of facts. Dude thought he was going to come on here and spew 9am in the morning ESPN level "analysis" and think that people on here are going to buy that.

James Harden made a concerted effort to forgo shot taking in favor of getting his teammates going. He has done this for 3 straight games now, it's just that last night we needed him to be a bit more aggressive with his shot. The narrative that Kyrie took shots away from him is ridiculous, Harden has just been unselfish almost to a fault, which I applaud him for.

[MrDollarBills]

Here is our depth after KD/ Kyrie pre-trade | Post trade

Levert | Harden
Harris | Harris
Green | Green
Allen | Perry
Jordan | Jordan
Brown | Brown
Shamet | Shamet
TLC | TLC
Prince | whoever

IF you dont think we have elite depth now then you cant say we had it before. there is no way the gap between allen and perry/DJ is bigger then the gap between Levert and Harden. And prince was in and out of the rotation and will almost certainly be replace by more of an energy/defensive type.

Before the trade our second unit features zero all-nba players. not it features 1-2 at all times. most teams cant field 2 all-nba players as starters. half the league doesnt field 1

Well, it became clear early on that we collectively were overrating how much depth that we had on top of the fact that Dinwiddie went down.

Losing Allen, LeVert and Prince hurt because Perry is green, while Shamet and TLC leave a lot to be desired. That's a significant downgrade.

It's a boost that we get to have one of the Big 3 always on the floor, yes, but not if they have to log 40 mins each for us to win. we only got 10 points from the bench out of 135 points scored that's not good.

We need some help depth wise.

you cant call allen/prince a significant downgrade without calling harden a significat upgrade. it simply doesnt work that way. especially when you consider harden plays more minutes then levert as well.

Lets throw prince out too. TLC/Shamet give us 95% of what he could have given and whomever we sign as wing can as well and probebly better defense.

As i said, all we really lose depth wise was allen, which isnt insignificant, but its not like we went from deep to no bench. our second unit is almost gauranteed to be better, given a star will be running it

Harden is a massive upgrade. But I think collectively losing those 3 made the bench worse. Brown is the only guy on the bench that I trust right now and the problem with him is that he isn't an effective shooter.

Okay, so let's say Harden is a massive upgrade over LeVert, which he is. Cool. Allen's loss hurts us because Perry is really green and gets lost defensively. Prince was better overall than Shamet and TLC. So I think those losses took our bench depth down a notch.

I think in general, we need to add one wing and one big man to improve the bench, and probably kick the tires on Tyler Johnson to see if he can provide some help offensively. I've lost faith in Shamet and TLC isn't really stepping up.

Like KD said last night, we only need to go 9 deep with this squad. I count Brown as one reliable contributor. Harris(or Green) makes 2. Everyone else? Whew.

We need two reliable bodies, preferably with defensive chops.

[MrDollarBills]

I love Harris but hes almost a luxury at this point.

Would you guys be completely opposed to trading him for a good defensive wing player?

It sounds stupid to trade a shooter, but I think its a move we should look at.

As bad as we need a defender, no. Harris is going yield major dividends when this team figures it out and we have him out there with the Big 3.

[NetsJets]

Kyrie is a better off-ball player then Harris. it is hard to make an argument otherwise. he shoots it at 42% from deep on high volume (including 58% from three on catch and shoot threes and 50% on corner threes. Kyrie won a title next to a superstar as an off-ball player. there is really no argument projection or otherwise that harris is a better option to start then kyrie

Kyrie in Cleveland was the secondary ball handler next to LeBron there wasn’t another guy that needed touches especially with Love sacrificing a lot. We have 2 guys that are ball dominant having a floor spacer and someone that doesn’t need the ball works better IMO. Throughout the game they were just going my turn your turn and isolating a lot. Harris is still the better shooter that’s a fact you can’t argue against. But at the end of the day he will be starting so this argument is moot.

I mean, its so wrong its confusing as to how you got here. Kyrie was the second ball handler in CLE and he was the second ball handler last night. how exactly is that an issue? Durant still gets his touches, he led us in scoring.

if you want to talk facts go back a few posts were i literally posted VIDEO of kyries scoring which shows 90% of it was off ball within the flow of the offense. off screens, off pin downs, in the corner spacing the floor.

Harris is not a better shooter then kyrie.

-Kyrie higher pecentage on catch and shoot threes
-Kyrie higher percentage on corner threes
-Kyrie higher percentage mid range
-kyrie higher percentage at the rim

thats the off ball stuff. Kyrie's overall 3 point percentage is lower, but thats due to him shooting 3 more attempts per game/much higher volume and taking more threes off the dribble.

Kyrie is simply a better shooter then harris in every aspect. unless you think harris would sustain his 7% shooting margin over kyrie if he took 3 more threes a game running point off of cross overs.

If the flow of the offense was them taking turns isoing and guys waiting their turn to touch the ball then yeah.

Show me a link to those stats.

[Claud]

The reason we lost was once again was HORRIBLE defense and our bench was TRASH.

First bad game for Joey Buckets... he was awful. The rest of the bench didn't give us much of anything either.

Overall DID NOT like the flow of the offense last night. The offense flowed better with just KD + Harden + role players tbh.

Kyrie is an amazing player and I hope we can incorporate his skills for max efficiency. Last night was just game 1.

Nash's rotation didn't make much sense either... he stopped playing the bench in the 2nd half which is why we ran out of gas at the end... even if the bench struggled you can't just totally give up on them and run your star players to the ground.. wtf.

Lots to figure out for our coaching staff.

[DarkXaero]

I love Harris but hes almost a luxury at this point.

Would you guys be completely opposed to trading him for a good defensive wing player?

It sounds stupid to trade a shooter, but I think its a move we should look at.

I think this is a knee jerk reaction based off one bad game. The two games prior, we saw Joe drop 20 pt games effortlessly, thriving off the defenses focusing on KD & Harden. Joe is the ideal player to have next to these stars. He's a low usage, high IQ player who is a high level off ball threat, and becomes more dangerous next to these guys. Sure, he's not a great defender but he gives full effort on both ends.

And for what it's worth, there were three guys who were off the table in the Harden trade if The Athletic are to believed, and those three guys were KD, Kyrie, and Joe Harris. We made everyone else available. So regardless of what we want, I don't think Joe is going anywhere this season.