If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[gocelts]

Outside perspective here…

Kyrie is nuts but the Nets (management and players) are handling this pretty well.

Simmons is a complete nightmare situation handled poorly by everyone. Reading between the lines, Embiid and Doc blamed Simmons for coming up short…while Simmons has been groomed within a culture of tanking for most his career with no accountability along with the entitlement of eventually winning. Now everyone hates everyone.

I’m not sure you even need Kyrie until the playoffs…and he knows it too…by then this mess should all be over.

[gigantes]

Simmons is a complete nightmare situation handled poorly by everyone. Reading between the lines, Embiid and Doc blamed Simmons for coming up short…while Simmons has been groomed within a culture of tanking for most his career with no accountability along with the entitlement of eventually winning. Now everyone hates everyone.

Btw, did you read that recent theory-thread on the NBA board about why Simmons avoids shooting at all costs?

Not sure it was 100% on the money, but it did make a metric tonne-f-ck of sense IMO.

[HardenGoat]

Reading between the lines of Kyrie and Durant I have faith he is going to find a way back on the team that allows him to save his face to some degree in the process. He is going to miss some games hoping the mandate gets lifted but I can’t see him going the season not playing the game that directly funds his ego. The ground he stands on for holding out is a shaky one. He really hasn’t outlined what exactly it is other than it’s his personal choice to not get vaccinated. At some point he will realize there is a world out there that needs him in a bigger way than this.

[Gooner]

Reading between the lines of Kyrie and Durant I have faith he is going to find a way back on the team that allows him to save his face to some degree in the process. He is going to miss some games hoping the mandate gets lifted but I can’t see him going the season not playing the game that directly funds his ego. The ground he stands on for holding out is a shaky one. He really hasn’t outlined what exactly it is other than it’s his personal choice to not get vaccinated. At some point he will realize there is a world out there that needs him in a bigger way than this.

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

[Suwanee]

Reading between the lines of Kyrie and Durant I have faith he is going to find a way back on the team that allows him to save his face to some degree in the process. He is going to miss some games hoping the mandate gets lifted but I can’t see him going the season not playing the game that directly funds his ego. The ground he stands on for holding out is a shaky one. He really hasn’t outlined what exactly it is other than it’s his personal choice to not get vaccinated. At some point he will realize there is a world out there that needs him in a bigger way than this.

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

[MrDollarBills]

Simmons is a complete nightmare situation handled poorly by everyone. Reading between the lines, Embiid and Doc blamed Simmons for coming up short…while Simmons has been groomed within a culture of tanking for most his career with no accountability along with the entitlement of eventually winning. Now everyone hates everyone.

Btw, did you read that recent theory-thread on the NBA board about why Simmons avoids shooting at all costs?

Not sure it was 100% on the money, but it did make a metric tonne-f-ck of sense IMO.

What's the theory?

[MrDollarBills]

Reading between the lines of Kyrie and Durant I have faith he is going to find a way back on the team that allows him to save his face to some degree in the process. He is going to miss some games hoping the mandate gets lifted but I can’t see him going the season not playing the game that directly funds his ego. The ground he stands on for holding out is a shaky one. He really hasn’t outlined what exactly it is other than it’s his personal choice to not get vaccinated. At some point he will realize there is a world out there that needs him in a bigger way than this.

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

The antivaxxer is mad that KD is moving on without Kyrie.

[Gooner]

Reading between the lines of Kyrie and Durant I have faith he is going to find a way back on the team that allows him to save his face to some degree in the process. He is going to miss some games hoping the mandate gets lifted but I can’t see him going the season not playing the game that directly funds his ego. The ground he stands on for holding out is a shaky one. He really hasn’t outlined what exactly it is other than it’s his personal choice to not get vaccinated. At some point he will realize there is a world out there that needs him in a bigger way than this.

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

It's not a stupid stance for a healthy person to refuse to take something into his body. I'm not sure it hurts Kyrie's image because a lot of people support him. Especially in black community which is what matters to him the most. Media narrative isn't a reflection of the society. His credibility will only improve because he is willing to put his money where his mouth is, unlike many of these loudmouth fake revolutionaries. Even those who disagree with him respect that.

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

The antivaxxer is mad that KD is moving on without Kyrie.

I'm not mad, this is good for Kyrie, he will learn a big lesson on what type of people you can trust, and there aren't many of them. A true friend will support you in times of adversity, even if they disagree with you, as long as they understand where you are coming from. Fake ones will abandon you as soon as they don't find you to be useful anymore. KD is showing his true colors, playing into the hands of these journalists stirring up drama, but this is nothing new. He did OKC dirty, he talked sh*t about Steph and Golden State as soon as he left and continues to take little shots in his typical passive agressive way, and now he can't even respect his "best friends" personal decision that has nothing to do with basketball. The only question is who is next?

[Suwanee]

You’re so delusional. Lol. If you don’t think that’s a stupid stance, there’s really nothing more I can say.

And same can be asked of Kyrie. Who’s his next best “friend”? Or does he have any?

[Suwanee]

Kyrie is actually the one showing his true colors. Lol

[HardenGoat]

What a crock of ****. The virus doesn’t care what color your skin is. Supporting anti-vax does nothing to help society no matter what walk of life you come from. Feeding into peoples fear about a vaccine that can save lives is disgusting. KD is focussed on winning with whoever is available . Kyrie has chosen not to be. What do you expect the team to do? He’s just waiting to see if Kyrie comes to his senses and joins the team. Until then you move forward and focus on building chemistry and winning games. Exactly what he is doing.

[Prokorov]

This might be the most promising development yet...

Read on Twitter

If he becomes mayor and helps put in an exception for athletes/sports arenas where they just need to follow safety protocols but not be vaxxed. that would maybe be the quickest route to getting kyrie back on the floor.

He continued: “I believe we’re going to find a way to have safety and to continue to keep our standards strong.”

“I believe the NBA and Kyrie, they should work out how they are going to address that, and I think it’s going to be up to them … and the city to come down with a real agreement, and at this time I think the NBA and Kyrie would be able to come to an agreement,” Adams added at an unrelated get-out-the-vote event in Queens.

Which honestly, if you are going to allow unvaxxed visiting players to play, it makes no sense not to have the home team have that ability as well. if its about safety, no one should be allowed in who isnt vaccinated. either make it a real mandate about safety or stop being hippocritical

[gocelts]

Simmons is a complete nightmare situation handled poorly by everyone. Reading between the lines, Embiid and Doc blamed Simmons for coming up short…while Simmons has been groomed within a culture of tanking for most his career with no accountability along with the entitlement of eventually winning. Now everyone hates everyone.

Btw, did you read that recent theory-thread on the NBA board about why Simmons avoids shooting at all costs?

Not sure it was 100% on the money, but it did make a metric tonne-f-ck of sense IMO.

Crazy stuff. If its the theory that he doesn't shoot at all so that he wont be criticized for poor shooting...true or not, it does fit and that's poor position to be accused of. Again, another mess here...instead of building around Simmons who never could shoot, they are just going to blame him. Sorry Sixers that you gave a big FAT contract to a player that cant shoot...but that's managements problem.

Kyrie was a risk, but as mentioned, you have Durrant and Harden to lead the roster. The Nets are smart to hit him where it hurts by pulling back the extension (for now). Knowing Kyrie, he'll get his child like "attention" for not playing...then when restrictions are waived, he'll get his child like "attention" for playing again...then he'll get his child like attention again for likely playing cutsie with his extension....then he'll get attention for signing said extension...then he'll do something stupid like retire early or something...he cant help it. He's a great basketball player, but he's not a leader. He's a baby that needs attention all the time.

[Suwanee]

At this point, I don't even know if I'd resign Kyrie even if he can play. For cheap? Sure. Max? I'd think twice. You never know what kind of stunt he'd pull next. As the latest article explaining why Nets traded for Harden said, he is "unreliable".

[harlem_ball]

Like I predicted, Nets fans are already praising my dog Patty Mills. Dude's legit.

[haosmoove]

The only thing to read between the lines is KD's frustration because of Kyrie's unwillingness to change his mind. Kyrie is not a follower and that makes KD feel certain type of way because he is desperate to prove to everybdoy that he is an alpha. Everbody in the media portrays Kyrie as the biggest personality in Brooklyn and they have reported that he was the one who chose Brooklyn and brought KD with him.

KD listens to the media carefully and he deeply cares about what they say about him. Their manipulations and efforts to divide them and create drama seem to be working pretty well on him, which is no surprise considering his track record. He cares about his reputation more than aynthing, he will create burner accounts to defend himself, and he may have had one here on real gm.

He hasn't supported Kyrie in this situation, not recently atleast and that shows signs of distancing. He is subtly taking media's side on this issue in his typical passive agressive way, saying that he isn't "too mad" at Kyrie and that he " cant change his mind", "being mad isn't gonna change anything" etc.

That to me shows a lack of respect towards his "friend" who hasn't breached any contracutal agreement, he is just exercising his rights. KD just doesn't get it. A loyal person would back his friend against these media hyenas, but KD is joining their clan.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

It's not a stupid stance for a healthy person to refuse to take something into his body. I'm not sure it hurts Kyrie's image because a lot of people support him. Especially in black community which is what matters to him the most. Media narrative isn't a reflection of the society. His credibility will only improve because he is willing to put his money where his mouth is, unlike many of these loudmouth fake revolutionaries. Even those who disagree with him respect that.

So now we’re blaming KD for lack of respect? Really?

Loyalty is mutual. What kind of “loyal” person insists taking a stupid stance that not only hurts his own image but also his “friend” and the team’s ultimate goal which is to win the championship. He doesn’t deserve any respect. None at all.

The antivaxxer is mad that KD is moving on without Kyrie.

I'm not mad, this is good for Kyrie, he will learn a big lesson on what type of people you can trust, and there aren't many of them. A true friend will support you in times of adversity, even if they disagree with you, as long as they understand where you are coming from. Fake ones will abandon you as soon as they don't find you to be useful anymore. KD is showing his true colors, playing into the hands of these journalists stirring up drama, but this is nothing new. He did OKC dirty, he talked sh*t about Steph and Golden State as soon as he left and continues to take little shots in his typical passive agressive way, and now he can't even respect his "best friends" personal decision that has nothing to do with basketball. The only question is who is next?

Why is this poster still on this board? I have seen him in multiple threads doing the following 3 things:
Supporting anti-vax views.
Making baseless attacks on Nets players/staff (KD, Harden, Nash)
Passive aggressively trolling the whole Nets fan base for being in this situation.

[haosmoove]

losing their job? sure.

But if im a female nurse and i lose my job cause im not Vaccinated, but the mail officer who works security doesnt lose his and is allowed in the same building, that is BS>

If im a nurse and i lose my job, thats one thing. if i lose my pension, my tenure which i accumulated for years prior to the pandemic, thats bull.

If im a nurse, and my religion states im not to be vaccinated, and you force me to go against my religion to keep my job, with no exemption process, that is bs.

People are not just fighting about keeping their jobs. hell most can go over the hudson and work. Many are being stripped of alot more, and many have issue with the law not being applied/enforced equally across gender and race.

If you are a nurse, directly in contact with several patients daily, cannot have the common decency to get vaccinated to protect your patients, and yourself, yes, you deserve to lose your job.

What on earth are you defending here?

I'm getting at the bolded:

Preventing someone from working because they pose a risk makes perfect sense for a mandate.

Stripping/allowing their employer to strip them of their tenure/pension is complete nonsesne. That was earned over several years and is entitled to them. it was earned prior to the pandemic.

Second was about the Mandate not being applied equally... for instance:

Cops (Majority = Male, White)
Fireman (Majority = Male, White)
Nurses (Majority - Female)
Teachers (Majority = Female)
Security Guards (Majority = Black, Male)

Cops/Fireman are currently exempt from the mandate. Nurses/Teachers/Security guards are not. If women and minorities are going to lose their jobs for not being vaccinated, so should white men... especially white men who work in government positions (cops/fireman) in government buildings (Police/Firestations) and whom are all first responders

As I have stated numerous times, There are mandates that make sense, the NYC mandate is awful.

Kyrie could also claim it is kind of BS that Beal (uncavvincated) can play in barclays as a visitor but he cant as a net. Again if its about safety beal shouldnt be allowed to play either.

The mandate is over reaching, Bias (religiously, racially, and sexist) and is applied without logic when it comes to visitors (who we should be extra strict on, people coming from states with no mandates who are unvaxxed pose more risk then those in states with mandates

Dude your premises are completely false. You are cherry picking mandated professions that happened to be predominantly female and mandate-less professions that happened to be mostly male. (Stronger union is an explanation?) Why don't you pull up the overall gender split for all mandated professions? I bet it's comparable to the overall gender split of NYC population. If this were not the case, the anti-mandate crowd would be using the overall data instead of specific professions to make their arguments.

Your claim on gender discrimination had even less base.
Cops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department

Of the entire 35,783-member police force in 2020: 47% are white and 53% are members of minority groups.

Firefighters
https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2020/02/057-FDNY.pdf
47% White

Nurse
https://www.chwsny.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nyrn2012_Final_reduced1.pdf
70% White!

Teachers
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/ny-teaching-force-demographic-data-20201211-5btmez5dkng6bbnzvpaktsyl2e-story.html
The percentage of white teachers dipped from 59% when de Blasio took office in 2014 to 56% last school year

If anything, the mandated professions have much higher White percentages. I basically googled demographics on each and clicked on the first link that I can find with quantitative data. It would take you 5 mins to verify the validity of your claims which you clearly didn't bother to do.

Those BS points were invented (or shared by other anti-mandate groups) by Kyrie's camp. They clearly had an agenda, and it doesn't help that you somehow believes in it and start spreading it here.

[Prokorov]

If you are a nurse, directly in contact with several patients daily, cannot have the common decency to get vaccinated to protect your patients, and yourself, yes, you deserve to lose your job.

What on earth are you defending here?

I'm getting at the bolded:

Preventing someone from working because they pose a risk makes perfect sense for a mandate.

Stripping/allowing their employer to strip them of their tenure/pension is complete nonsesne. That was earned over several years and is entitled to them. it was earned prior to the pandemic.

Second was about the Mandate not being applied equally... for instance:

Cops (Majority = Male, White)
Fireman (Majority = Male, White)
Nurses (Majority - Female)
Teachers (Majority = Female)
Security Guards (Majority = Black, Male)

Cops/Fireman are currently exempt from the mandate. Nurses/Teachers/Security guards are not. If women and minorities are going to lose their jobs for not being vaccinated, so should white men... especially white men who work in government positions (cops/fireman) in government buildings (Police/Firestations) and whom are all first responders

As I have stated numerous times, There are mandates that make sense, the NYC mandate is awful.

Kyrie could also claim it is kind of BS that Beal (uncavvincated) can play in barclays as a visitor but he cant as a net. Again if its about safety beal shouldnt be allowed to play either.

The mandate is over reaching, Bias (religiously, racially, and sexist) and is applied without logic when it comes to visitors (who we should be extra strict on, people coming from states with no mandates who are unvaxxed pose more risk then those in states with mandates

Dude your premises are completely false. You are cherry picking mandated professions that happened to be predominantly female and mandate-less professions that happened to be mostly male. (Stronger union is an explanation?) Why don't you pull up the overall gender split for all mandated professions? I bet it's comparable to the overall gender split of NYC population. If this were not the case, the anti-mandate crowd would be using the overall data instead of specific professions to make their arguments.

Your claim on gender discrimination had even less base.
Cops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department

Of the entire 35,783-member police force in 2020: 47% are white and 53% are members of minority groups.

Firefighters
https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2020/02/057-FDNY.pdf
47% White

Nurse
https://www.chwsny.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nyrn2012_Final_reduced1.pdf
70% White!

Teachers
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/ny-teaching-force-demographic-data-20201211-5btmez5dkng6bbnzvpaktsyl2e-story.html
The percentage of white teachers dipped from 59% when de Blasio took office in 2014 to 56% last school year

If anything, the mandated professions have much higher White percentages. I basically googled demographics on each and clicked on the first link that I can find with quantitative data. It would take you 5 mins to verify the validity of your claims which you clearly didn't bother to do.

Those BS points were invented (or shared by other anti-mandate groups) by Kyrie's camp. They clearly had an agenda, and it doesn't help that you somehow believes in it and start spreading it here.

You are completely missing my enire argument. in a male/female comaprison you are bringing up race. literal apples to oranges.

To simplifit, dont tell me a mandate is about safety and fair and them leave out entire government positions and buildings. This is a political mandate, not a safety mandate.

[haosmoove]

I'm getting at the bolded:

Preventing someone from working because they pose a risk makes perfect sense for a mandate.

Stripping/allowing their employer to strip them of their tenure/pension is complete nonsesne. That was earned over several years and is entitled to them. it was earned prior to the pandemic.

Second was about the Mandate not being applied equally... for instance:

Cops (Majority = Male, White)
Fireman (Majority = Male, White)
Nurses (Majority - Female)
Teachers (Majority = Female)
Security Guards (Majority = Black, Male)

Cops/Fireman are currently exempt from the mandate. Nurses/Teachers/Security guards are not. If women and minorities are going to lose their jobs for not being vaccinated, so should white men... especially white men who work in government positions (cops/fireman) in government buildings (Police/Firestations) and whom are all first responders

As I have stated numerous times, There are mandates that make sense, the NYC mandate is awful.

Kyrie could also claim it is kind of BS that Beal (uncavvincated) can play in barclays as a visitor but he cant as a net. Again if its about safety beal shouldnt be allowed to play either.

The mandate is over reaching, Bias (religiously, racially, and sexist) and is applied without logic when it comes to visitors (who we should be extra strict on, people coming from states with no mandates who are unvaxxed pose more risk then those in states with mandates

Dude your premises are completely false. You are cherry picking mandated professions that happened to be predominantly female and mandate-less professions that happened to be mostly male. (Stronger union is an explanation?) Why don't you pull up the overall gender split for all mandated professions? I bet it's comparable to the overall gender split of NYC population. If this were not the case, the anti-mandate crowd would be using the overall data instead of specific professions to make their arguments.

Your claim on gender discrimination had even less base.
Cops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department

Of the entire 35,783-member police force in 2020: 47% are white and 53% are members of minority groups.

Firefighters
https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2020/02/057-FDNY.pdf
47% White

Nurse
https://www.chwsny.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nyrn2012_Final_reduced1.pdf
70% White!

Teachers
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/ny-teaching-force-demographic-data-20201211-5btmez5dkng6bbnzvpaktsyl2e-story.html
The percentage of white teachers dipped from 59% when de Blasio took office in 2014 to 56% last school year

If anything, the mandated professions have much higher White percentages. I basically googled demographics on each and clicked on the first link that I can find with quantitative data. It would take you 5 mins to verify the validity of your claims which you clearly didn't bother to do.

Those BS points were invented (or shared by other anti-mandate groups) by Kyrie's camp. They clearly had an agenda, and it doesn't help that you somehow believes in it and start spreading it here.

You are completely missing my enire argument. in a male/female comaprison you are bringing up race. literal apples to oranges.

To simplifit, dont tell me a mandate is about safety and fair and them leave out entire government positions and buildings. This is a political mandate, not a safety mandate.

If there are less people like Kyrie who refuse to vax up, we would not have this mandate.

[Prokorov]

Dude your premises are completely false. You are cherry picking mandated professions that happened to be predominantly female and mandate-less professions that happened to be mostly male. (Stronger union is an explanation?) Why don't you pull up the overall gender split for all mandated professions? I bet it's comparable to the overall gender split of NYC population. If this were not the case, the anti-mandate crowd would be using the overall data instead of specific professions to make their arguments.

Your claim on gender discrimination had even less base.
Cops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department


Firefighters
https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2020/02/057-FDNY.pdf
47% White

Nurse
https://www.chwsny.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nyrn2012_Final_reduced1.pdf
70% White!

Teachers
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/ny-teaching-force-demographic-data-20201211-5btmez5dkng6bbnzvpaktsyl2e-story.html
The percentage of white teachers dipped from 59% when de Blasio took office in 2014 to 56% last school year

If anything, the mandated professions have much higher White percentages. I basically googled demographics on each and clicked on the first link that I can find with quantitative data. It would take you 5 mins to verify the validity of your claims which you clearly didn't bother to do.

Those BS points were invented (or shared by other anti-mandate groups) by Kyrie's camp. They clearly had an agenda, and it doesn't help that you somehow believes in it and start spreading it here.

You are completely missing my enire argument. in a male/female comaprison you are bringing up race. literal apples to oranges.

To simplifit, dont tell me a mandate is about safety and fair and them leave out entire government positions and buildings. This is a political mandate, not a safety mandate.

If there are less people like Kyrie who refuse to vax up, we would not have this mandate.

Ok, but there are millions like him, so we need a mandate...

but a real one, not some fake political one that makes exceptions when it is up against a tough opponent. A real mandate would apply to cops, firefighters and all branches of government. a real mandate would exist for visitors, not just the home team...

or on the opposite side a real mandate would only apply to public buildings or those who deal with the public who are sick or can not be vaccinated and have guidelines for private entities.

this is just pick and choose your battles on politics. they rolled over for the cops but stuck it to teachers and nurses