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NetsWorld wrote:GTR11 wrote:Last years tax was at 156m, we ended the season at 159m. If any of you thinking Tsai/Marks will go over tax line again, I think you should take your time and think again. If anything, they'll be dumping salary beginning this off-season.
The only way Tsai will go over the tax is if it makes sense. He’s not going to spend so much money on a roster that won’t produce a ring, not after the disaster of the past three years.
NetsWorld wrote:GTR11 wrote:Last years tax was at 156m, we ended the season at 159m. If any of you thinking Tsai/Marks will go over tax line again, I think you should take your time and think again. If anything, they'll be dumping salary beginning this off-season.
The only way Tsai will go over the tax is if it makes sense. He’s not going to spend so much money on a roster that won’t produce a ring, not after the disaster of the past three years.
Decipher wrote:NetsWorld wrote:GTR11 wrote:Last years tax was at 156m, we ended the season at 159m. If any of you thinking Tsai/Marks will go over tax line again, I think you should take your time and think again. If anything, they'll be dumping salary beginning this off-season.
The only way Tsai will go over the tax is if it makes sense. He’s not going to spend so much money on a roster that won’t produce a ring, not after the disaster of the past three years.
And fair enough
Marvin Martian wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:I'm more in the organic build camp, specifically tread water until we can get cap space to sign a FA in '24 or '25, BUT the tumultuousness of the off-season (Bud & Doc out, Harden potentially walking, Bucks with major potential tax issues) makes you wonder if it would be wise to accelerate the process. Even Boston may need to make some tough decisions (White/Brogdon/Smart) if they're going to give Brown a SuperMax extension.
Wasting time for organic building is lunacy right now. The eastern conference is completely wide open. Trae Young, who got ragged on here for being a loser, beat MIA and almost took BOS to 7 games. PHI is in disarray. MIL's core guys are aging. BOS has massively underachieved. NYK still has Randle.
Every team in the conference is vulnerable
This team can make the finals if they get the right star to pair with Bridges this offseason.
CalamityX12 wrote:Who's been more proven in the playoffs, Dame or Butler?
My money is on Butler, he's built differently than Dame and that's not being disrespectful.
GTR11 wrote:CalamityX12 wrote:Who's been more proven in the playoffs, Dame or Butler?
My money is on Butler, he's built differently than Dame and that's not being disrespectful.
Twitter wonna be's picked the steam Butler for Brown after last night game. Brown getting 60 next contract, comments about Massachusetts area etc has them believing it's time to move on.
After Blazers gotten third over all pick, both Port/BK talking heads made videos about possible Bridges trade now.
The uncertainty hovering around Hornets keep everyone guessing. Most keep talking about unloading Rozier. Than they also entertaining possibility drafting Miller.
Mavs and Tragic actively talking about Dame. Mavs have a 3 way trade involving us. Looks like this and I rechecked it, it works:
1. Nets incoming: Bertans, Nurkic, Portland 3rd and Mavs 10th. Outgoing: Nic, DFS, Bridges and Royce.
2. Blazers incoming: Bridges, Royce and BK 1st round. Outgoing: Nurkic and 3rd over all.
3. Mavs incoming: Nic, DFS and PHX 1st. Outgoing: Bertans and 10th over all.
We shed 20m of the cap, get to draft Scoot/Miller via Portland, draft Black/Dick/Hendricks via Mavs 10th over all. Get some cap space to resign CamJ.
With uncertainty hovering around Hornets and who they pick I'm very iffy here. If we get to have Scoot, than sure. Same goes to Mavs pick. If we get to have Hendricks, than I'm all in, if it's Black and Dick, than I rather explore something else. Lots will depend on the draft and FA.
Some Mavs fans want to keep Kyrie some rather move on. I'm not sure what is what but, majority support the trade.
Same civil war in Oregon. Some say it's time to move on from Dame, some want to compete and have high hopes.
There's plenty more trades where we got involved too. One thing for sure, Marks won't have an easy summer
TheNetsFan wrote:GTR11 wrote:CalamityX12 wrote:Who's been more proven in the playoffs, Dame or Butler?
My money is on Butler, he's built differently than Dame and that's not being disrespectful.
Twitter wonna be's picked the steam Butler for Brown after last night game. Brown getting 60 next contract, comments about Massachusetts area etc has them believing it's time to move on.
After Blazers gotten third over all pick, both Port/BK talking heads made videos about possible Bridges trade now.
The uncertainty hovering around Hornets keep everyone guessing. Most keep talking about unloading Rozier. Than they also entertaining possibility drafting Miller.
Mavs and Tragic actively talking about Dame. Mavs have a 3 way trade involving us. Looks like this and I rechecked it, it works:
1. Nets incoming: Bertans, Nurkic, Portland 3rd and Mavs 10th. Outgoing: Nic, DFS, Bridges and Royce.
2. Blazers incoming: Bridges, Royce and BK 1st round. Outgoing: Nurkic and 3rd over all.
3. Mavs incoming: Nic, DFS and PHX 1st. Outgoing: Bertans and 10th over all.
We shed 20m of the cap, get to draft Scoot/Miller via Portland, draft Black/Dick/Hendricks via Mavs 10th over all. Get some cap space to resign CamJ.
With uncertainty hovering around Hornets and who they pick I'm very iffy here. If we get to have Scoot, than sure. Same goes to Mavs pick. If we get to have Hendricks, than I'm all in, if it's Black and Dick, than I rather explore something else. Lots will depend on the draft and FA.
Some Mavs fans want to keep Kyrie some rather move on. I'm not sure what is what but, majority support the trade.
Same civil war in Oregon. Some say it's time to move on from Dame, some want to compete and have high hopes.
There's plenty more trades where we got involved too. One thing for sure, Marks won't have an easy summer
Hell no. You don't trade Bridges, #22, plus 3 other starter level players to take back two horrendous contracts for #3 & #10.
Packers+NetsWIN wrote:So if reports coming out are true, it appears that the team is intent on keeping Bridges: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271639/Nets-Not-Interested-In-Trading-Mikal-Bridges-To-Blazers-For-No-3-Pick
So as a fun exercise in futility, let me preface this by saying I don't think this scenario plays out. But if the Blazers end up trading the #3 pick and Simons for Siakam, what would it take for the Nets to get FVV and OG? I think it would be a really exciting and versatile lineup if it can come to fruition:
PG: Fred Van Fleet
SG: Mikal Bridges
SF: OG Anunoby
PF: Cam Johnson
C: Nic Claxton
A really balanced lineup with a great combination of offense and defense.
In the scenario I laid out, the raptors would obviously be moving on from OG, FVV, and Siakam, so I'd imagine they would be planning a pivot to a rebuild around whoever they take with the #3 pick, Barnes, and Simons (only 23 years old). With that in mind, I'd assume they'd focus on trying to acquire draft picks, expiring contracts, young players, and players they could potentially flip immediately for assets.
So back to my original question, what would it take for OG and FVV. I was thinking something along the lines of:
Nets receive: OG & FVV
Raptors receive: Dinwiddie, Royce, DFS, Cam Thomas and I'd imagine at least 3 or 4 first round picks
Anyone think this is reasonable and if so, would 3 or 4 first rounds be accurate or not? And would the nets be able to protect any of those picks?
As it would then currently stand, I think this 10 man rotation could be a real force in the East with a lot of position less basketball and a good balance of offense-defense (hopefully they'd be able to sign a decent scorer off the bench with the mid-level to take Sumner's place off the bench):
PG: FVV/Simmons
SG: Bridges/Sumner
SF: OG/Harris
PF: Cam J/Yuta
C: Claxton/Sharpe
Does this scenario sound possible and if so, something you wouldn't mind seeing? I know Marks probably has an eye on keeping financial flexibility and this scenario doesn't really fit that, but if the team is keeping Bridges, I don't want to tread water for the next two years waiting out Simmons's contract to expire or hoping by some miracle he returns to his old form.
Papi_swav wrote:I'm not giving up 3 picks for just FVV and OG. Those picks are for real stars only
Mosdefinition wrote:I have 2 crazy players to target but I think either fits markelle fultz or Cole anthony
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not using the pick trove, future cap space, 2 guys we know can return at least a first each (Royce and DFS), and 2 guys that might be e able to return a first(Dinwiddie and Thomas) for OG and FVV. If you're planning on investing in Bridges and Johnson, I don't see the need for a big investment in OG. FVV fits, but he's a FA that the Raptors may lose for nothing. I'm not giving up a lot for him.
TheNetsFan wrote:Somebody posted this on ND. It's an interesting parallel between the first 5 years of Mikal's & Jimmy's careers. Both were also 22 year old rookies.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=butleji01&p1yrfrom=2012&p1yrto=2016&player_id2=bridgmi01&p2yrfrom=2019&p2yrto=2023
Eatgreenz wrote:Would love to bring Caruso over here
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Packers+NetsWIN wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:I'm not using the pick trove, future cap space, 2 guys we know can return at least a first each (Royce and DFS), and 2 guys that might be e able to return a first(Dinwiddie and Thomas) for OG and FVV. If you're planning on investing in Bridges and Johnson, I don't see the need for a big investment in OG. FVV fits, but he's a FA that the Raptors may lose for nothing. I'm not giving up a lot for him.
I'm not trying to argue at all here so please forgive me here, but I'm just unsure of why you "don't see the need for a big investment in OG"? OG is a 25 year old forward who is career 37.5% from three, including 38.7% from three on 5.5 attempts per game last year. He averaged 17 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists last year while tying for only the third most attempts on the team (tied with Barnes, finished behind FVV and Siakam). To be honest, in my opinion, if he got more freedom, I think we could see a major jump in his offensive capabilities similar to how Bridges didn't get his chance to shine in Phoenix behind other talented offensive players. He may not have the same kind of jump bridges did after switching from Phoneix to Brooklyn, but I think it will still be a very significant jump none the less. And even if he doesn't have a huge jump, that offense line still solid. And that's just on offense.
Defensively, he led the entire league in steals. He tied for 7th in NBA defensive player of the year voting with Jrue Holiday and was voted onto the 2nd team all NBA defensive team.
I'd imagine you'd have to give up a very good trade package to get him (and that was before FVV) hence the trade package from my prior post. According to reports (https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-the-bonkers-package-raptors-declined-for-og-anunoby-at-trade-deadline), both the Grizzlies and the Pacers offered three first rounders for OG and were turned down. I have no problem paying a big price for a 25 year older who is a top defender in the league already and growing his offensive game each year. If the nets can get him without giving up Bridges, Claxton, and Cam J, I think it would be a great fit personally. Good luck to team trying to score on OG, Bridges, and Claxton.
On top of all that as well, the nets were reported to be interested in OG earlier this year: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270354/Nets-Raptors-Discussed-OG-Anunoby-Pascal-Siakam
So the coaching staff and management must like him as a player with some level of interest