2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[vincecarter4pres]

Salads? What is he putting in those salads? A bloomin onion and some chocolate cake?

[Talentfull]

I didn't like that Favors interview but in all honesty I wasn't expecting to be blown away given that he's still just 18. I'm not at all worried about his passion for the game because you could see he played hard and was very active in college.

Cousin's on the other hand is just way too big of a risk for me to consider choosing him at this point. Had some pretty good overall measurements but I think he's gonna struggle with that weight, he wouldn't be able to guard NBA 4s, would probably have character issues and then you have his fit with Lopez. To be honest I'm least worried about fit. I'd never make fit a reason to choose a prospect over another but in Cousins case the negatives outweigh the positives and it's not like Favors doesn't have very high potential as well.

Gimme Favors!

[SpeedyG]

One thing to consider for Favors...yes the guy is very raw, but as have been stated, he has a good BBIQ, has a good work ethic, coachable, and he's still young. I remember when the Magic drafted Dwight Howard over Okafor, and seeing Dwight in HS, he looked like a young 18/19 yr old that will have to wait for a year or so before he makes an impact.

Then, he shows up for summer league and his body looked transformed...and was just an animal out there.

Sometimes, you can't take for granted what a coachable and hard-working young guy can do.

Oh btw, I watched his highlights and said he didn't look very explosive, but I guess I must have had my bar set high by watching Dwight and Amare. Because watching this guy's HS highlights, I don't see much of a difference when it comes to explosiveness, movement, and agility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp_SzdYd2gs

Granted, the kid was taller, but he was also rail thin compared to Favors (and more skilled offensively). But, and that's a big but, if he can give me KG like defense, rebounding, and finishing around the hoop (less the penchant for settling for jumpshots), I think I'd be mighty fine with that at #3.

[demens]

What if Favors is not really a PF either? The measurements are comparable to Howard and he is only 18, will probably grow still.

[SpeedyG]

Well, like what I said, Favors doesn't look as explosive as Dwight, but he is very smooth for his size. I think he's good enough and active enough to play defense on most PFs in the NBA even if he grows more (as long as he doesn't balloon).

And I'd rather take the chance that Favors overshoots his expectations due to growth, rather than the chance that Cousins goes below his due to a lack of maturity.

BTW, I'm still not 100% sold on either one, but the reasons to draft Favors seems to outweigh (no pun intended) the reasons to not draft Cousins.

One more thing, did I read that right? He's been eating salad and seafood and all he can do is drop FIVE lbs in one month? That's really nothing. The bigger a guy is (because they presumably have more fat), the easier it should be to drop his weight through proper diet and working out. I'd probably monitor his weight/body fat count more and see how much he progresses closer to the draft before I even make a decision on him.

Talent wise, as I said, Cousins has everything you could ask for. Problem is, there's no device we can use to see his desire to be great....and that's the big question mark.

Basically, we're probably talking about a guy who will probably average 18/9/1.5 but wonder "damn imagine if he only worked as hard as Favors" as opposed to a guy who will average 14/10/2 but wonder "damn imagine if he had Cousin's offensive skill"

[jerseyjac]

I dunno E, I think Rod might like Cousins ...again you dont have to sell me on Favors, I know the differences, I've read the measurements...I'm still on the fence, probably will be for the next week...

As much as you think Cousins cant guard PFs now, in couple of years this guy may possibly be able to defend the majority of big men he's facing any night...(not guard, just to define the words as I use them...Defend is the ability to cover the player at the position he is playing, hence, Cousins should be able to defend the PF position., meaning slow that player down, maybe alter some shots, probably in some situations he'll need weakside help, ect... guard is the ability to defend any player at PF/C, check that player straight up and hopefully be able to stop them from scoring more times than not...semantics yes, but I want to be clear on what I mean) There is no doubting Favors is the better defender, but Cousins is probably the better rebounder...and you cannot deny his production/minutes...

Lets not get fixated on the now...My biggest issue with fans breaking down any draft class, is how they tend to look at the now, specifically when talking about the top picks in the draft...set aside all the bull about Cousins...

With a top 10 pick, you must evaluate any potential, considering the ability to improve and to progress over their rookie contract...Most of the time we're talking about improving a shot, getting better on the defensive end or becoming more physically fit/faster or increasing mobility (there are obviously other areas)

In addition, a known elementary fact when scouting, is understanding when a collegiate basketball player goes from the college ranks to the pros, there is a huge transition to get any player into NBA shape...

With both, Cousins 19yrs old who will turn 20 in Aug. and Favors who turns 19 in July, each have a lot of maturing to do physically...Fact is, they're bodys are still changing and maturing...both are going to be growing into their NBA body ...Obviously, its easier to put on weight as Favors needs to, but Cousins seems to know he has to shed some weight, add some more muscle and lateral quicknees to his game, specifically to improve his defense...

There is no denying Favors is the player which will most likely come in and fit best next to Brook now...but I'm not fixated on that...quite arguably, if we do pass on Cousins, we might be passing on the better potential at the #3 spot...Yeh, call him more of Center if you want, I just dont see a problem having potentially two centers starting for the Nets...Last thing to note figuratively speaking, if things didnt work out, and Cousins still did progress physically and defensively despite not complimenting a front court w/ Brook, Cousins still has excellent trade value with the right team...His ceiling as far as potential seems to be higher than Favors, its easier to committ to defense and learn to defend...on the other hand, you just cant teach offense, besides working on a shot, you either have the natural ability to score or you dont...Favors seems to be a dunker, in around the basket and its less likely for his offensive game to evolve...

A couple years down the road, I can see Cousins improving significantly everywhere...Favors ceiling or range on becoming a better overall player does not seem as great...

Remember what you see is NOT what you get, both players will take form over their rookie contract and you just cant make decision on who to pick by who is better for the Nets today...

When you add everything up its all about picking the best availabe player... Cousins has more potential, even as a below avg defender, but then there is more of a risk when drafting him due to certain mental or physical unknowns...Favors on the other hand, has a low risk, you know he's going to bulk up, he is more likley to compliment Brook's game now even though I do not feel his overall potential is as great as Cousins...

[vincecarter4pres]

What if Favors is not really a PF either? The measurements are comparable to Howard and he is only 18, will probably grow still.

Howard could easily play power foward.

[enetric]

I dunno E, I think Rod might like Cousins ...again you dont have to sell me on Favors, I know the differences, I've read the measurements...I'm still on the fence, probably will be for the next week...

As much as you think Cousins cant guard PFs now, in couple of years this guy may possibly be able to defend the majority of big men he's facing any night...(not guard, just to define the words as I use them...Defend is the ability to cover the player at the position he is playing, hence, Cousins should be able to defend the PF position., meaning slow that player down, maybe alter some shots, probably in some situations he'll need weakside help, ect... guard is the ability to defend any player at PF/C, check that player straight up and hopefully be able to stop them from scoring more times than not...semantics yes, but I want to be clear on what I mean) There is no doubting Favors is the better defender, but Cousins is probably the better rebounder...and you cannot deny his production/minutes...

Lets not get fixated on the now...My biggest issue with fans breaking down any draft class, is how they tend to look at the now, specifically when talking about the top picks in the draft...set aside all the bull about Cousins...

With a top 10 pick, you must evaluate any potential, considering the ability to improve and to progress over their rookie contract...Most of the time we're talking about improving a shot, getting better on the defensive end or becoming more physically fit/faster or increasing mobility (there are obviously other areas)

In addition, a known elementary fact when scouting, is understanding when a collegiate basketball player goes from the college ranks to the pros, there is a huge transition to get any player into NBA shape...

With both, Cousins 19yrs old who will turn 20 in Aug. and Favors who turns 19 in July, each have a lot of maturing to do physically...Fact is, they're bodys are still changing and maturing...both are going to be growing into their NBA body ...Obviously, its easier to put on weight as Favors needs to, but Cousins seems to know he has to shed some weight, add some more muscle and lateral quicknees to his game, specifically to improve his defense...

There is no denying Favors is the player which will most likely come in and fit best next to Brook now...but I'm not fixated on that...quite arguably, if we do pass on Cousins, we might be passing on the better potential at the #3 spot...Yeh, call him more of Center if you want, I just dont see a problem having potentially two centers starting for the Nets...Last thing to note figuratively speaking, if things didnt work out, and Cousins still did progress physically and defensively despite not complimenting a front court w/ Brook, Cousins still has excellent trade value with the right team...His ceiling as far as potential seems to be higher than Favors, its easier to committ to defense and learn to defend...on the other hand, you just cant teach offense, besides working on a shot, you either have the natural ability to score or you dont...Favors seems to be a dunker, in around the basket and its less likely for his offensive game to evolve...

A couple years down the road, I can see Cousins improving significantly everywhere...Favors ceiling or range on becoming a better overall player does not seem as great...

Remember what you see is NOT what you get, both players will take form over their rookie contract and you just cant make decision on who to pick by who is better for the Nets today...

When you add everything up its all about picking the best availabe player... Cousins has more potential, even as a below avg defender, but then there is more of a risk when drafting him due to certain mental or physical unknowns...Favors on the other hand, has a low risk, you know he's going to bulk up, he is more likley to compliment Brook's game now even though I do not feel his overall potential is as great as Cousins...

JJ I think you broke that about as backwards as you can get. Basing upside on the kid with the awful body athletically speaking who is more developed basketball wise and calling him the upside potential guy? HELL NO!

The upside guy is the vastly superior physical athlete who has a lean body but just needs the basic workouts and add normal mass as his body becomes a man. Cousins does not need to shed some weight. He needs to shed a life time of Big Macs and super size fries. This guy is NOT anywhere near being in the of shape you need to have at his age. He could diet and still not be anywhere capable of playing NBA minutes at a 24 second shot clock pace. No way can he guard the athletic 4's of the NBA 10 feet from the basket. He is an easy blow by or quick foul. And I am not convinced he will be the better rebounder either. See Eddy Curry. I think he could be a weakside shot blocker but not a guy who is going to take the guy with the ball in his hands and send him or the ball anywhere. He will either get blown by or have to foul at this size. he will be sucking wind in minutes.

Favors has to develop his game. get opportunities to do things on the court...but in the mean time he can give you hustle contribution. To me its clear he has the vastly higher upside as a player. I would argue this is Amare coming out of HS compared to Curry. Seeing the issues each faced in their development who would you prefer even if you didnt know how it turned out.

I am firmly looking at long term. If I were looking at the now as i think you clearly are without realizing it...I would be talking up the kid out of the big school with the big stats who was getting national attention all year, not the athletic kid who everyone says kicked the crap out of him head to head in HS.

And lets go back to the what to improve physically over the long term again. When it comes to bigs...it is never about become more fit as in leaner or faster. its stamina and strength through muscle mass. Trying to add muscle mass when you have so much excess body fat is that much harder. And as you age into your 20's each year gets harder. Get into your late 20's and forget it. When you are younger you can eat anything. if you are already this awful fat % wise at such a young age it isn't going to get easier. he can drop weight...but it gets harder and harder.

Let me ask you. May, Big Baby, Stanley Roberts, Sweetney, Oliver Miller, Curry...guys we have seen who were really beefy high fat % guys...Ever see ONE of them make impressive progress physically to become LEAN types after doing the workouts and playing the games? His body type and more importantly...the fact that he hasn't done something about it all year should be a massive red flag to you. If he could make major progress now at this age when he is playing for his first contract...why would you ever expect it after he GETS the contract?

As someone pointed out...he has only lost 5 pounds in the last month! At that size...one good poo and you lose 5 pounds that DAY!

One last thing. Two centers on the floor works in the NBA when its two athletes. Two guys who can step out and do some damage. TD/Robinson. Ha keem and Sampson. Two guys who cant guard any of the athletic 4's in the league will get in each others way. And offensively? Talk about a slow half court monotonous offense! it doesn't work. I always prefer drafting best talent not fit. But in this case I think Favors looks like the better long term talent, fit and everything else.

You know what? Lets she what things are said over the next few weeks. How he comes off in interviews...does he lose any weight before the draft. How his workouts go. Don't just listen to quotes...quotes this time of of year are always polite, no one wants to tip anyone off publicly as to where they are going. That was my point about Rod. he will compliment just about everyone.

You know who I am reminded of suddenly? Dwayne Schintzius. He was projected 1-3 the year he came out being talked about with DC and Payton as the top 3 prospects in that draft class. A good college player who had a big body and people felt he could be a stud center for years to come. By the time draft day came he fell all the way to 24. I am not saying that will happen...but I really wouldn't be shocked to see him drop. For guys like Monroe to go over him before its said and done. If he climbs...or stays high on mocks...great. Lets talk again about giving him more respect. But as of now? I dont like what I see from this kid. His key indicators look like a bad bet long term. So much so I am willing to ignore the short term obvious advantages his girth had on mostly guys who wont be playing pro ball EVER.

[vincecarter4pres]

Speaking of Greg Monroe, how do you feel about him E?

[enetric]

All time sort by body fat %.

Not encouraged overall by the list. And if you discount the smaller white guys with the higher body fat....its get more alarming that he could ever seriously improve in this area. And the fact that they say this is the best shape Cousins has ever been in...I mean...wow. If he makes it, I expect a lot of injuries....but I am skeptical of his chances.

Name Body Fat Drafted Height Weight Wingspan Reach
Chris Marcus - 2003 23.1 No 7' 0" 334 7' 8" 9' 6"
Oliver Miller - 1992 22.0 22 6' 7.5" 318 7' 2" NA
James Lang - 2003 21.4 48 6' 8.25" 316 7' 6.25" 9' 2"
Dexter Pittman - 2010 20.8 48 6' 9.5" 303 7' 6" 9' 3"
M. Killingsworth - 2006 19.0 No 6' 5.5" 266 7' 3" 8' 8"
K. Gransberry - 2008 17.4 No 6' 6.75" 290 6' 10.25" 8' 8"
Marcus Moore - 2003 17.4 No 6' 4" 208 6' 8.5" 8' 6.5"
Marvin Stone - 2003 17.4 No 6' 9.5" 261 7' 3.5" 9' 1.5"
R. Anderson - 2006 17.3 No 6' 3.25" 224 6' 7" 8' 4"
Yemi Nicholson - 2006 17.2 No 6' 7.75" 258 7' 4.25" 8' 11"
Nick Collison - 2003 17.0 12 6' 8.75" 255 7' 1.5" 9' 0"
D. Cousins - 2010 16.4 4 6' 9.5" 292 7' 5.75" 9' 5"
A. Djuric - 2003 16.3 No 6' 10" 253 7' 0" 9' 0"
Chris Kaman - 2003 16.3 6 6' 11.5" 252 6' 11.75" 9' 2.5"
Pavel Podkolzine - 2003 16.3 21 7' 3.5" 303 7' 5.75" 9' 8"
Ron Slay - 2003 16.3 No 6' 6" 236 6' 10" 8' 7.5"
Chris Daniels - 2008 16.1 No 6' 8.25" 256 7' 0.5" 9' 1"
Robert Jackson - 2003 15.9 No 6' 7.75" 254 7' 0" 8' 11.5"
Terence Dials - 2006 15.8 No 6' 7.75" 253 7' 0" 8' 10"
Keith Gallon - 2010 15.1 No 6' 8.5" 302 7' 4.5" 9' 1.5"
Aaron Gray - 2007 15.0 49 7' 0" 271 7' 3.25" 9' 0.5"
Aaron Gray - 2006 15.0 49 7' 0" 280 7' 3" 9' 1"
Ian Vouyoukas - 2006 14.8 No 6' 8.5" 267 7' 0.75" 9' 0.5"
Chris Massie - 2003 14.8 No 6' 6.5" 259 7' 1" 8' 10.5"
Ebi Ere - 2003 14.1 No 6' 3.5" 210 6' 10.5" 8' 6"
Mike Sweetney - 2003 14.1 9 6' 7.25" 262 7' 1" 8' 11.5"
A. Vujacic - 2003 14.1 No 6' 5.5" 193 6' 5.5" 8' 5"
Paul Miller - 2006 13.8 No 6' 8.5" 251 7' 0" 8' 5.5"
Shaun Pruitt - 2008 13.8 No 6' 8.25" 242 7' 1" 8' 11.5"
Daniel Orton - 2010 13.8 13 6' 8.75" 269 7' 4.25" 9' 2.5"
Josh McRoberts - 2007 13.7 37 6' 8.75" 240 7' 1" 8' 10.5"
Matt Bonner - 2003 13.6 45 6' 8.5" 242 6' 8.75" 8' 9.5"
Will McDonald - 2003 13.6 No 6' 9.5" 258 7' 3.5" 9' 1.5"
Spencer Hawes - 2007 13.0 10 6' 10.5" 244 7' 0.5" 9' 2"
Eric Williams - 2006 13.0 No 6' 7.25" 285 7' 4.25" 8' 10.5"
Kevin Love - 2008 12.9 5 6' 7.75" 255 6' 11.25" 8' 10"
Joel Cornette - 2003 12.9 No 6' 8.25" 239 6' 9.25" 8' 9.5"
Bernard King - 2003 12.9 No 6' 3.75" 200 6' 5.5" 8' 3.5"
G. McNamara - 2006 12.8 No 5' 11.75" 177 6' 0.25" 7' 8.5"
Frans Steyn - 2006 12.8 No 7' 1.25" 280 7' 4.25" 9' 1"
D. Caracter - 2010 12.8 60 6' 8.25" 280 7' 0.25" 8' 11.25"
Darnell Jackson - 2008 12.5 52 6' 7" 241 6' 11.25" 8' 10.5"
Torin Francis - 2006 12.4 No 6' 8.5" 247 7' 1" 8' 9.5"
Marcus Williams - 2006 12.4 33 6' 2" 215 6' 7" 8' 1.5"
Stephane Pelle - 2003 12.4 No 6' 7" 246 7' 2" 8' 11"
Wesley Wilson - 2003 12.4 No 6' 10.25" 257 7' 3" 9' 2.5"
A.J. Price - 2009 12.4 43 6' 0.5" 193 6' 3.75" 8' 1"
Craig Smith - 2006 12.2 36 6' 5.5" 259 6' 9.5" 8' 7.5"
Shaquille O'Neal - 1992 12.2 1 7' 1" 303 7' 7" 9' 5"
Joseph Jones - 2008 12.2 No 6' 7.5" 240 7' 0.25" 8' 11"
Craig Bradshaw - 2007 12.1 No 6' 8" 240 7' 1.5" 8' 10.5"
Ali Traore - 2007 12.1 No 6' 8.75" 249 7' 4" 9' 0.5"
J.P. Batista - 2006 12.0 No 6' 7.5" 265 6' 10" 8' 7.5"
Davon Jefferson - 2008 12.0 No 6' 5.25" 213 6' 9.5" 8' 9"
Dejuan Blair - 2009 12.0 11 6' 5.25" 277 7' 2" 8' 10.5"
James Johnson - 2009 12.0 18 6' 7" 257 7' 0.75" 8' 9.5"
Joseph Jones - 2007 11.9 No 6' 6.75" 241 6' 11.75" 8' 10.5"
LaVell Blanchard - 2003 11.7 No 6' 6" 205 6' 6" 8' 5.5"
Marquis Estill - 2003 11.7 No 6' 8.5" 257 7' 4" 9' 0"
Jason Kapono - 2003 11.7 31 6' 6.5" 215 6' 6.5" 8' 6"
Joe Shipp - 2003 11.7 No 6' 4" 224 6' 10" 8' 7"
Keydren Clark - 2006 11.6 No 5' 9" 184 6' 2.5" 7' 8.5"
S. Landesberg - 2010 11.6 43 6' 4.75" 210 6' 9" 8' 4.5"
R. Freeman - 2007 11.5 No 6' 6.75" 244 6' 11.5" 8' 8"
Marko Lekic - 2007 11.4 No 6' 9.75" 267 7' 1" 9' 0.5"
Shelden Williams - 2006 11.4 5 6' 7.5" 258 7' 4.25" 8' 8"
Blake Schilb - 2007 11.3 No 6' 5.5" 214 6' 9" 8' 6.5"
Blake Schilb - 2006 11.3 No 6' 5.25" 209 6' 8" 8' 6"
Luke Harangody - 2009 11.2 56 6' 6.25" 240 6' 9.75" 8' 10"
Greg Monroe - 2010 11.2 9 6' 9.75" 247 7' 2.25" 9' 0.5"
Luke Harangody - 2010 11.1 56 6' 6" 240 6' 9.5" 8' 10"
John Riek - 2008 11.0 No 6' 10.5" 237 7' 8.75" NA
Trent Plaisted - 2008 11.0 46 6' 9.25" 240 6' 10.5" 8' 9.5"
Caleb Green - 2007 10.9 No 6' 6.75" 238 6' 11.75" 8' 7"
Brian Butch - 2008 10.8 No 6' 9.5" 230 6' 11.25" 9' 0"
Josh Heytvelt - 2009 10.8 50 6' 10" 246 7' 1.25" 9' 0"
Charles Rhodes - 2008 10.7 No 6' 7.25" 244 6' 11.25" 8' 11.5"
Longar Longar - 2008 10.6 No 6' 9" 213 7' 1.5" 9' 1.5"
Brad Buckman - 2006 10.5 No 6' 7.25" 238 7' 0" 8' 11.5"
Kenny Adeleke - 2006 10.5 No 6' 6.5" 250 6' 10.25" 8' 8"
A. Anagoynye - 2003 10.5 No 6' 6.75" 257 7' 2.5" 8' 10"
Brian Cook - 2003 10.5 24 6' 9.5" 234 7' 2" 9' 1"
Trevor Harvey - 2003 10.5 No 6' 9.5" 245 7' 1" 9' 1.5"
Michael Ignerski - 2003 10.5 No 6' 9.5" 232 6' 10.75" 8' 11"
Brandin Knight - 2003 10.5 No 5' 11.75" 190 6' 6" 7' 11.5"
Dan Grunfeld - 2006 10.4 No 6' 4.75" 216 6' 6.25" 8' 3"
Kyle Visser - 2007 10.2 No 6' 10" 242 6' 11" 9' 0"
Aleks Maric - 2008 10.1 No 6' 9.75" 273 7' 1" 9' 1.5"
James Harden - 2009 10.1 3 6' 4" 222 6' 10.75" 8' 7.5"
Joe Ingles - 2009 10.1 52 6' 7.75" 209 6' 10.25" 8' 9"
Patrick O'Bryant - 2006 10.0 9 6' 11" 249 7' 5.75" 9' 5"
Randy Foye - 2006 10.0 7 6' 2.25" 212 6' 6.25" 8' 1"
Mardy Collins - 2006 10.0 29 6' 4.25" 224 6' 10" 8' 7"
Chase Budinger - 2009 10.0 24 6' 6.25" 206 6' 7" 8' 5"
Ed Davis - 2010 10.0 10 6' 9" 227 7' 0" 9' 0"

[vincecarter4pres]

I really, really, really want to pick up a second top ten pick to draft this guy...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx6iJjIrjAM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y_w9vWCZPk[/youtube]

This kid is going to be the steal of the draft...

[Jersey Generals]

I don't know about the steal of the draft, since his stock is rising, but he'll be good, no doubt.

[vincecarter4pres]

I could see him going at 8 to the Clips.

[Jersey Generals]

^I think that depends on what goes down between 5-7. If Wes Johnson falls, which I don't see happening, but he might, then I could see the Clips getting him.

[S.I.C. GM]

I really, really, really want to pick up a second top ten pick to draft this guy...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx6iJjIrjAM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y_w9vWCZPk[/youtube]

This kid is going to be the steal of the draft...

Who are you talking about because I am at work and I cant see those clips?

I also wanted to pick up another lottery pick. I really think the two most logical choices are IND or MEM. Trade Harris with fillers to either for pick and cap relief.

[Jersey Generals]

^He's talking about Paul George.

[vincecarter4pres]

^He's talking about Paul George.

And You Know This Maaaaaan!

[SteveNets15]

That kid looks good vc4p.I don't watch college basketball but I should've this year so I knew who some of these kids were.Every year I say I'm gonna try to watch college ball but never do.Its hard to judge with highlights you really have to watch full games.

[Jersey Generals]

^He's talking about Paul George.

And You Know This Maaaaaan!

What a life he has: make twenty million off of a crappy Rush Hour movie, and then don't work for 4 years, and then make another twenty million for another crappy Rush Hour movie. Then, rinse and repeat after that.

[vincecarter4pres]

^He's talking about Paul George.

And You Know This Maaaaaan!

What a life he has: make twenty million off of a crappy Rush Hour movie, and then don't work for 4 years, and then make another twenty million for another crappy Rush Hour movie. Then, rinse and repeat after that.

He's like the Hollywood version of Gilbert Arenas.