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MrDollarBills wrote:Rockets lost the series, you think they bite on Deron for Lin/Asik?
I'd even take Beverely tbh.
NyCeEvO wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Rockets lost the series, you think they bite on Deron for Lin/Asik?
I'd even take Beverely tbh.
It should at least get them thinking about doing something at the PG position considering that they don't have anyone to go toe to toe with the PGs in the West.
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therealbig3 wrote:LOL..."Deron Williams for scraps"...Deron Williams IS scraps at this point. He doesn't play well, he's constantly injured, and he's on a toxic contract. In what world does he actually have high trade value?
Bro Johnson wrote:therealbig3 wrote:LOL..."Deron Williams for scraps"...Deron Williams IS scraps at this point. He doesn't play well, he's constantly injured, and he's on a toxic contract. In what world does he actually have high trade value?
He has trade value in the real world. His value is down coming off his worst season as a pro, but that's all the more reason to hold off on trading him.
These trade suggestions of Deron for garbage like Lin are horrendously bad for the Nets.
zachari179 wrote:You get much especially considering he has a trade kicker. Also they would never do it, because then it would show failure and heads will start to roll and Nets cant really afford to rebuild since they have no draft picks.
NyCeEvO wrote:I don't know if we're going to be able to trade Deron but (as I said last night) the offensive system we're running doesn't play to D-Will strengths.
This is not an excuse. When he does have the ball, he does little with it except be a facilitator. We're not paying him $100mil just to run to the paint and dish the ball to AA.
However with that said, if Livingston is the one bringing up the ball and getting us into our offense and D-Will is playing off the ball whenever they're both in, this means that the lineup Kidd likes the best is going to put D-Will at shooting guard.
I don't really care for smallball, but if you're going to play smallball and lose as badly on the boards as we do, you need to make up for that disadvantage in the frontcourt by having your own mismatch in the backcourt.
D-Will at SG doesn't create a mismatch whatsoever. He's an 'ok' off-the-ball shooter but again, we're not paying him to be ok, we're paying him to be great.
We're giving a guy $100mil to be an undersized SG, who can't post-up opposing SGs and can't beat anyone off the dribble.
Unless D-Will plays with 100% intensity every second, he'd never fit well in this system. So now when we see him play with such a passive attitude, he's going to look horrific.
While I don't think small ball can win (unless you have a GOAT candidate like LBJ running the show) due to the number of disadvantages you create for yourself, if you're going to play it, you need either need to give D-Will the ball 95% of the time he's in or trade him and get another SG who can matchup well with other SGs and really give them a challenge.
NyCeEvO wrote:Prokorov wrote:NyCeEvO wrote:I agree that Smith would fit more with Kidd's style but I'd really fear that Kidd would encourage Smith to continue to take a bunch of 3s in the same way that Kidd encouraged Blatche to go out and take 3s.
If you can force Smith to take pride in playing like a big man, he's a great player but when you allow him to do whatever he wants to do, it all falls apart.
In addition to that, I haven't seen him play at all this year. His athleticism is what really carries his value and if he has lost any of it, it negatively impacts his value in my eyes.
While kidd may encurage him to shoot 3's, playing the 4 i think still lends to less of those. and even with kidd encouraging blatche to take them, he still only took 45 on the year.
As far as athleticism, smith hasnt lost any of that
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfj66v27ME[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPgqZq3HMo[/youtube]
I'd have to watch full games to see it. Two plays aren't going to reassure me that his athleticism is still there.
However, I do agree that he's a much better smallball 4 than Pierce is.
IMO, I'd much rather see a JJ and Pierce go back to playing a 2/3 and a player that's actually 6'8"+ play the 4 spot.
Pierce gives up way too much size and if he's not playing well, he's an instant negative on the court because of the rebounding disadvantage.
SpeedyG wrote:or the injuries and age has just taken away from his skills (which is very likely, as he doesn't look as explosive as he was in Utah).
NyCeEvO wrote:I wonder if getting ankle surgery would help at all.
He's only received injections and rested his ankles but he's never looked to see whether surgery would provide a permanent fix.
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Bro Johnson wrote:therealbig3 wrote:LOL..."Deron Williams for scraps"...Deron Williams IS scraps at this point. He doesn't play well, he's constantly injured, and he's on a toxic contract. In what world does he actually have high trade value?
He has trade value in the real world. His value is down coming off his worst season as a pro, but that's all the more reason to hold off on trading him.
These trade suggestions of Deron for garbage like Lin are horrendously bad for the Nets.
KobeKenobi wrote:Aside from turnover issues at times d-will is exceptional. You guys don't appreciate him and I don't get it. Of course when you have Kendall Marshall as a starting pg d-will starts looking like magic Johnson. Still hope you guys don't take for granted how good d-will is at creating plays. I still see glimmers of his superstar self.
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MrDollarBills wrote:Deron is exceptional.
He's exceptionally bad.
He's exceptionally overpaid.
He's an exceptional quitter.
He is an exceptional pussy.
His ankles are exceptionally bad.
BklynNets wrote:
Dwill/Sliv/Teague
S Liv./Johnson
Johnson/Andrei/
Love/Pierce/Blatche
Lopez/Garnett/Blatche
This is presuming we have traded away Mirza, Plumlee, Bojan's rights (hopefully), and potentially Thornton.
Btw, while getting Love may sound crazy and unlikely at this point, consider if you would've envision that King would have put this current team together at this point last year
Woodsanity wrote:His defense is horrendous probably worse than Harden