Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Zachbretton]

I cant say the site even though it's relevant to the topic. The guy is well sourced and Billy King uses him to leak big moves. He said Lopez is gone. It looks like Lance will be a Net soon. He said it might be Zeller instead of the 1st rounder

Eh, I'm on the fence about this. I do want to see if Zeller and Plumlee can be a good energizer duo because I think they can be a good mix but Biyombo has way more upside at 22 and is a much better rebounder, shot blocker and I would rather have a 1st round pick than Zeller.

I think Biyombo is the classic "first guy off the bus". Yes his measurables are off the charts but he is basketball stupid.

Zeller needs another year or two but he has much bigger upside.

Lance is going to jump start this season. He brings a lot of the traits we are lacking.
- He likes to play defense
- He can score in transition
- He drives the ball well and without fear
- He isnt soft.

I hope KG takes him under his wing and shows him how to focus that energy positively. I know it's playing with fire bringing him back to Brooklyn but we need a change.

If we make this trade we will be well positioned in our rebuild.

Lance 24 (All-Star level talent)
Bogs 26 in April
Plumlee 25 in March
Zeller 22
Karasev 21
Jefferson 24 next week
Brown 23 in Jan

Billy King has done a fine job of getting this team younger via trade. I think he has done a fine job as a GM.

If Billy could make this trade happen, he would definitely be on my good side this season. He's cutting unneeded salary as well as worked to make us younger. He made bad decisions before but it maybe because of the higher ups forcing his hand. Not saying he's my favorite but this trade would be such a smart smart move.

I'd prefer the first over Zeller. I think a coach like Hollins would be on Biyombo to just focus down on Defense which would be such a sweet change.

[Paradise]

I cant say the site even though it's relevant to the topic. The guy is well sourced and Billy King uses him to leak big moves. He said Lopez is gone. It looks like Lance will be a Net soon. He said it might be Zeller instead of the 1st rounder

Eh, I'm on the fence about this. I do want to see if Zeller and Plumlee can be a good energizer duo because I think they can be a good mix but Biyombo has way more upside at 22 and is a much better rebounder, shot blocker and I would rather have a 1st round pick than Zeller.

I think Biyombo is the classic "first guy off the bus". Yes his measurables are off the charts but he is basketball stupid.

Zeller needs another year or two but he has much bigger upside.

Lance is going to jump start this season. He brings a lot of the traits we are lacking.
- He likes to play defense
- He can score in transition
- He drives the ball well and without fear
- He isnt soft.

I hope KG takes him under his wing and shows him how to focus that energy positively. I know it's playing with fire bringing him back to Brooklyn but we need a change.

If we make this trade we will be well positioned in our rebuild.

Lance 24 (All-Star level talent)
Bogs 26 in April
Plumlee 25 in March
Zeller 22
Karasev 21
Jefferson 24 next week
Brown 23 in Jan

Billy King has done a fine job of getting this team younger via trade. I think he has done a fine job as a GM.

You can't teach length, rebounding and athleticism. Being developed under an elite coach like Hollins should help Biyombo. I think Zeller could be extremely useful but he doesn't do anything outstanding. Biyombo has already displayed his ablity to rebound at a high rate and block shots. Something we are sorely lacking.

If Billy pulls this off with a pick attached, I'll give him his props but that does not change the fact we are 10-13 and can't tank.

He invested max deals to two guys coming off injuries prior to the 2012 off-season. You don't build a team without an exit plan and instead of building an exit strategy in case the Deron/Brook/Joe/Gerald core didn't work, he gave up all of our picks to get rid of Gerald after trading a lotto pick to get him.

There is no way he has been a fine GM. We could be tanking this and next season while still trading for Stephenson and entering 2016 with two drafted studs avaliable to sell to avaliable Free Agents.

King is simply trying to dig this franchise out of the hole he created. He basically had Proky pay 135 million in luxury tax penalties to beat the young Raptors which is nothing special. His contact expires soon and he needs to showcase his savvy skills to rebuild quickly or else nobody will ever hire him again. He knows it.

[MrDollarBills]

Robert Windrem, aka Billy Kings media tool, just suggested that the deal would be Lopez for Lance, Biyombo and a 1st. He also suggested that Hollins hard nosed coaching would factor into this decision.

When he starts commenting on things then you know this rumor has legs. I think the 1st rounder is the sticking point. If we can get Lance and Biyombo for Lopez BK needs to do it ASAP. We kicked the tires on Kyle Lowry last year and decided to pass. How does that look now? Lance's upside is significantly higher then Lowry's and his contract is very team friendly. The Piston's took a chance on a knucklehead named Rasheed Wallace once and went on to win it all.

Bob "Mouthpiece for the Nets FO aka The Kickback King" W. usually doesn't open his brought and paid for mouth unless their is some smoke...or he's blowing smoke up the ass of the fanbase to spin an inexplicable move on the FO's part(see: Gerald Wallace trade).

That said, I take this deal in a heartbeat even if the 1st is protected. We could use both players.

I honestly think we'd be ripping the Hornets off, but whatever.

[MrDollarBills]

Eh, I'm on the fence about this. I do want to see if Zeller and Plumlee can be a good energizer duo because I think they can be a good mix but Biyombo has way more upside at 22 and is a much better rebounder, shot blocker and I would rather have a 1st round pick than Zeller.

I think Biyombo is the classic "first guy off the bus". Yes his measurables are off the charts but he is basketball stupid.

Zeller needs another year or two but he has much bigger upside.

Lance is going to jump start this season. He brings a lot of the traits we are lacking.
- He likes to play defense
- He can score in transition
- He drives the ball well and without fear
- He isnt soft.

I hope KG takes him under his wing and shows him how to focus that energy positively. I know it's playing with fire bringing him back to Brooklyn but we need a change.

If we make this trade we will be well positioned in our rebuild.

Lance 24 (All-Star level talent)
Bogs 26 in April
Plumlee 25 in March
Zeller 22
Karasev 21
Jefferson 24 next week
Brown 23 in Jan

Billy King has done a fine job of getting this team younger via trade. I think he has done a fine job as a GM.

You can't teach length, rebounding and athleticism. Being developed under an elite coach like Hollins should help Biyombo. I think Zeller could be extremely useful but he doesn't do anything outstanding. Biyombo has already displayed his ablity to rebound at a high rate and block shots. Something we are sorely lacking.

If Billy pulls this off with a pick attached, I'll give him his props but that does not change the fact we are 10-13 and can't tank.

He invested max deals to two guys coming off injuries prior to the 2012 off-season. You don't build a team without an exit plan and instead of building an exit strategy in case the Deron/Brook/Joe/Gerald core didn't work, he gave up all of our picks to get rid of Gerald after trading a lotto pick to get him.

There is no way he has been a fine GM. We could be tanking this and next season while still trading for Stephenson and entering 2016 with two drafted studs avaliable to sell to avaliable Free Agents.

King is simply trying to dig this franchise out of the hole he created. He basically had Proky pay 135 million in luxury tax penalties to beat the young Raptors which is nothing special. His contact expires soon and he needs to showcase his savvy skills to rebuild quickly or else nobody will ever hire him again. He knows it.

If King pulls this off, he'll at least have his successor set up to build a nice team in 2016. I hope this gets done ASAP.

[F3LON]

Robert Windrem, aka Billy Kings media tool, just suggested that the deal would be Lopez for Lance, Biyombo and a 1st. He also suggested that Hollins hard nosed coaching would factor into this decision.

When he starts commenting on things then you know this rumor has legs. I think the 1st rounder is the sticking point. If we can get Lance and Biyombo for Lopez BK needs to do it ASAP. We kicked the tires on Kyle Lowry last year and decided to pass. How does that look now? Lance's upside is significantly higher then Lowry's and his contract is very team friendly. The Piston's took a chance on a knucklehead named Rasheed Wallace once and went on to win it all.

Bob "Mouthpiece for the Nets FO aka The Kickback King" W. usually doesn't open his brought and paid for mouth unless their is some smoke...or he's blowing smoke up the ass of the fanbase to spin an inexplicable move on the FO's part(see: Gerald Wallace trade).

That said, I take this deal in a heartbeat even if the 1st is protected. We could use both players.

I honestly think we'd be ripping the Hornets off, but whatever.

I agree.

Lance comes with a lot of baggage but a bad attitude is not as big of an issue as a bad foot. The best ability is Availability. Lance has played 78 games two consecutive years and hasnt missed a game this year. Lopez is starting to get the two red flag injuries for 7 footers, foot and back problems. It's time to sell on Lopez. I always liked him but he represents too much downside moving forward.

I cant wait to see Lance and JJ play together. Their size is going to cause major matchup problems.

[MrDollarBills]

Robert Windrem, aka Billy Kings media tool, just suggested that the deal would be Lopez for Lance, Biyombo and a 1st. He also suggested that Hollins hard nosed coaching would factor into this decision.

When he starts commenting on things then you know this rumor has legs. I think the 1st rounder is the sticking point. If we can get Lance and Biyombo for Lopez BK needs to do it ASAP. We kicked the tires on Kyle Lowry last year and decided to pass. How does that look now? Lance's upside is significantly higher then Lowry's and his contract is very team friendly. The Piston's took a chance on a knucklehead named Rasheed Wallace once and went on to win it all.

Bob "Mouthpiece for the Nets FO aka The Kickback King" W. usually doesn't open his brought and paid for mouth unless their is some smoke...or he's blowing smoke up the ass of the fanbase to spin an inexplicable move on the FO's part(see: Gerald Wallace trade).

That said, I take this deal in a heartbeat even if the 1st is protected. We could use both players.

I honestly think we'd be ripping the Hornets off, but whatever.

I agree.

Lance comes with a lot of baggage but a bad attitude is not as big of an issue as a bad foot. The best ability is Availability. Lance has played 78 games two consecutive years and hasnt missed a game this year. Lopez is starting to get the two red flag injuries for 7 footers, foot and back problems. It's time to sell on Lopez. I always liked him but he represents too much downside moving forward.

I cant wait to see Lance and JJ play together. Their size is going to cause major matchup problems.

We'll have to see how this works since Lance is kind of a point-swingman.

Either way, the guy is aggressive, is athletic, and can defend. Bring him in here and worry about how it will work later, Lopez is not worth holding onto.

[Keith Van Horn]

Like I said before, if we can get Lance and make out even or better, I hope to god it's King's swan song. Good for him making this trade if he does. But it doesn't change the fact he digs holes, climbs out of them, only to fall in a hole he already made at another moment.

I like Lance and Biyombo for lopez. And a first possibly too? Yes yes yes please.


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[F3LON]

The most ironic part of all of this is that if we trade for Lance then Mirza stands to benefit the most.

We will shed salary in the proposed deal which will go to Mirza in the off season.

I can see it already. KG will play on the high post with Mirza, JJ and DWill taking up 3 point positions. Lance will be the primary ball handler running PnR with KG. His dribble drives to the rim will collapse the defense and open up a ton of open threes.

Defensively Stephenson will be Hollin's new version of Tony Allen. He will help stop the dribble penetration that has long been our weakness.

Im actually excited about the Nets for the first time since we made the Boston trade.

[Keith Van Horn]

Have we missed the obvious writing on the wall already with this one? Where did this Lopez "back injury" come from? It really seemed out of no where.... same with the Johnson illness at the same time.

Did BK and Jordan already work out something, and the Hornets told BK to just shut Lopez down for now until he becomes a Charlotte resident? And in the meantime the Hornets can start figuring out how they're going to make adjustments without having to worry about Brook hurting himself...?

And maybe they were thinking by doing the same thing with Johnson too, but hopefully now they're turned their attention into getting another bigman.

Just thinking out loud here.

[Keith Van Horn]

The most ironic part of all of this is that if we trade for Lance then Mirza stands to benefit the most.

We will shed salary in the proposed deal which will go to Mirza in the off season.

I can see it already. KG will play on the high post with Mirza, JJ and DWill taking up 3 point positions. Lance will be the primary ball handler running PnR with KG. His dribble drives to the rim will collapse the defense and open up a ton of open threes.

Defensively Stephenson will be Hollin's new version of Tony Allen. He will help stop the dribble penetration that has long been our weakness.

Im actually excited about the Nets for the first time since we made the Boston trade.

I'm excited to see that you're excited about Mirza (hopefully) getting a chance to shine! Hopefully he can change your perspective on him as a player.

[F3LON]

The most ironic part of all of this is that if we trade for Lance then Mirza stands to benefit the most.

We will shed salary in the proposed deal which will go to Mirza in the off season.

I can see it already. KG will play on the high post with Mirza, JJ and DWill taking up 3 point positions. Lance will be the primary ball handler running PnR with KG. His dribble drives to the rim will collapse the defense and open up a ton of open threes.

Defensively Stephenson will be Hollin's new version of Tony Allen. He will help stop the dribble penetration that has long been our weakness.

Im actually excited about the Nets for the first time since we made the Boston trade.

I'm excited to see that you're excited about Mirza (hopefully) getting a chance to shine! Hopefully he can change your perspective on him as a player.

My opinion of him as a player wont change, he is always going to be a horrible rebounder and defender. It wont be as big of an issue though if we add Lance.

Lance has a 22% Def Reb Rate!!!!!!

That's sick for a guard. It will make up for Mirza's piss poor rebounding at PF.

Lance is a piss poor 3pt shooter so Mirza's shot making ability will be needed to balance the offensive spacing. I respect Mirza's ability to get up good looks quickly. He would have the green light to fire away from the corner 3.

They are a good fit together.

[NyCeEvO]

The most ironic part of all of this is that if we trade for Lance then Mirza stands to benefit the most.

We will shed salary in the proposed deal which will go to Mirza in the off season.

I can see it already. KG will play on the high post with Mirza, JJ and DWill taking up 3 point positions. Lance will be the primary ball handler running PnR with KG. His dribble drives to the rim will collapse the defense and open up a ton of open threes.

Defensively Stephenson will be Hollin's new version of Tony Allen. He will help stop the dribble penetration that has long been our weakness.

Im actually excited about the Nets for the first time since we made the Boston trade.

Let's get the deal done first before we start celebrating bro.

[NyCeEvO]

Have we missed the obvious writing on the wall already with this one? Where did this Lopez "back injury" come from? It really seemed out of no where.... same with the Johnson illness at the same time.

Did BK and Jordan already work out something, and the Hornets told BK to just shut Lopez down for now until he becomes a Charlotte resident? And in the meantime the Hornets can start figuring out how they're going to make adjustments without having to worry about Brook hurting himself...?

And maybe they were thinking by doing the same thing with Johnson too, but hopefully now they're turned their attention into getting another bigman.

Just thinking out loud here.

All of what you stated is certainly plausible, but there's also a more likely and plausible scenario.

Brook is legit recovering from an injury because that's what he's been doing for the better part of the last 3 seasons lol.

[NyCeEvO]

The most ironic part of all of this is that if we trade for Lance then Mirza stands to benefit the most.

We will shed salary in the proposed deal which will go to Mirza in the off season.

I can see it already. KG will play on the high post with Mirza, JJ and DWill taking up 3 point positions. Lance will be the primary ball handler running PnR with KG. His dribble drives to the rim will collapse the defense and open up a ton of open threes.

Defensively Stephenson will be Hollin's new version of Tony Allen. He will help stop the dribble penetration that has long been our weakness.

Im actually excited about the Nets for the first time since we made the Boston trade.

I'm excited to see that you're excited about Mirza (hopefully) getting a chance to shine! Hopefully he can change your perspective on him as a player.

My opinion of him as a player wont change, he is always going to be a horrible rebounder and defender. It wont be as big of an issue though if we add Lance.

Lance has a 22% Def Reb Rate!!!!!!

That's sick for a guard. It will make up for Mirza's piss poor rebounding at PF.

Lance is a piss poor 3pt shooter so Mirza's shot making ability will be needed to balance the offensive spacing. I respect Mirza's ability to get up good looks quickly. He would have the green light to fire away from the corner 3.

They are a good fit together.

Do you know what his contested rebound rate is?

[F3LON]

I'm excited to see that you're excited about Mirza (hopefully) getting a chance to shine! Hopefully he can change your perspective on him as a player.

My opinion of him as a player wont change, he is always going to be a horrible rebounder and defender. It wont be as big of an issue though if we add Lance.

Lance has a 22% Def Reb Rate!!!!!!

That's sick for a guard. It will make up for Mirza's piss poor rebounding at PF.

Lance is a piss poor 3pt shooter so Mirza's shot making ability will be needed to balance the offensive spacing. I respect Mirza's ability to get up good looks quickly. He would have the green light to fire away from the corner 3.

They are a good fit together.

Do you know what his contested rebound rate is?

Of course. I think rebounding rate is a better indicator of rebounding. Half of rebounding is knowing where the ball is going. Obviously Lance does because he had an 18% Def Reb rate with Indy last year.

[Paradise]

Do you know what his contested rebound rate is?

This season:

Contested Rebounds: 18.2%
Uncontested Rebounds: 81.8%

Last season:

Contested Rebounds: 24.6%
Uncontested Rebounds: 75.5%

In comparison, Joe is averaging 24% in contested rebounds and 75% in uncontested rebounds.

[CalamityX12]

Ehhh I dont want Zeller, don't understand the fascination about him. I rather take on biyombo although I agree hes bball dumb. Buy maybe kg can fix that?

I like to voice that if a move is made, this does not clear king for any of the wrong or damages he's done to this franchise. He's still a piss poor gm.

[NyCeEvO]

My opinion of him as a player wont change, he is always going to be a horrible rebounder and defender. It wont be as big of an issue though if we add Lance.

Lance has a 22% Def Reb Rate!!!!!!

That's sick for a guard. It will make up for Mirza's piss poor rebounding at PF.

Lance is a piss poor 3pt shooter so Mirza's shot making ability will be needed to balance the offensive spacing. I respect Mirza's ability to get up good looks quickly. He would have the green light to fire away from the corner 3.

They are a good fit together.

Do you know what his contested rebound rate is?

Of course. I think rebounding rate is a better indicator of rebounding. Half of rebounding is knowing where the ball is going. Obviously Lance does because he had an 18% Def Reb rate with Indy last year.

I wasn't trying to set you up for an argument dude lol. I really wanted to know what his contested rebounding rate was, that's all.

I agree with what you said.

[F3LON]

Ehhh I dont want Zeller, don't understand the fascination about him. I rather take on biyombo although I agree hes bball dumb. Buy maybe kg can fix that?

I like to voice that if a move is made, this does not clear king for any of the wrong or damages he's done to this franchise. He's still a piss poor gm.

Zeller has a lot of skill for a big. He is able to run the floor and finishes above the rim. He can hit FTs and has a decent shot. Plus he is under control for a couple of years.

Biyombo is still a huge project. He is undersized for the center position although he has a huge wingspan. He is very still offensively and cant hit a shot for the life of him. He will be a FA after this season.

I think Zeller is the better pick. Id rather go for a true center in FA when KG retires then have to pay Biyombo to be a project.

[F3LON]

Lance Stephenson is Ron Artest on defensive with Jamal Mashburn's pre-knee injury offense.