2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Prokorov]

Being in talent acquisition mode is 100% the correct description of where we stand right now and adding KCP furthers that goal if the contract is reasonable. He looks like a really good on ball defender and while the numbers seem to say he's not a lights out shooter, they also say he's been a pretty good overall scorer and at the moment it's not a given at all that LeVert is better than he is (or will ever be).

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

Yeah... thats pretty much exactly how i feel. Especially the part about KCP being better then levert now and it could stay that way

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[Keith Van Horn]

At this point, I don't care about fit and starting lineup stuff. If we have a ton of legit ballers on this team and we're arguing over who's going to start or sit, what a GREAT problem to have for once.

Also re the Cole Aldrich deal, we should wait. Wait until the TWolves are desperate and they add to the deal... and I'm talking about adding to Adlrich/OKC first + more. And if we lose out oh well, not the end of the world. I'm sure we'll be able to find another salary dump for a pick somewhere along in the season... as long as we don't do anymore big signings after KCP.

[Prokorov]

Prok says KCP's numbers will improve because he won't be handling the ball so much but you say KCP will be an interchangeable ball handler, which suggests his numbers won't improve. The good news is that his dude does NOT turn the ball over -- he was a ball handler on the Pistons but averaged only an anemic 1.1 TOs per game. But KCP's career PER is also an atrocious 11.7.

You are looking at it wrong...

Being an "interchangable" ball handler is STILL going to be less ball handling then he did in detroit. In detroit it was jackson/KCP only in an ISO heavy offense where jackson missed 30 games.

With us he would be one of 4 ball handlers in a motion offense with Lin, Dlo, and Levert.

I think netsmans point was more we can play "positionless" then KCP will be handling the ball a ton. i think KCP's role will be similar to leverts last season... he will handle the ball, but mostly its in lins/dinwiddies hands ro running the motion.

[Prokorov]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

KCP 100% starts over Levert. I agree Skil is likely the odd man out since he's older and not a good defender. Goodwin likely competes with Acy, Harris, Whitehead and Dinwiddie in camp - probably only enough regular minutes for 2 of those guys. Booker is likely our first big off the bench and I doubt they trade him. He fits what they want from a leadership standpoint, he'll be solid in that role, and he keeps 9M coming off the books next summer.

They're gonna start a 6'5" KCP over a 6'7" Levert at SF? Has KCP ever played at SF? It'll be a fast team at least.

either levert or maybe Russell starts on the bench. i think starting is really less relevant then minutes. Lin/russell/KCP/Levert will all see 28-30 minutes

[Prokorov]

Being in talent acquisition mode is 100% the correct description of where we stand right now and adding KCP furthers that goal if the contract is reasonable. He looks like a really good on ball defender and while the numbers seem to say he's not a lights out shooter, they also say he's been a pretty good overall scorer and at the moment it's not a given at all that LeVert is better than he is (or will ever be).

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

Prok says KCP's numbers will improve because he won't be handling the ball so much but you say KCP will be an interchangeable ball handler, which suggests his numbers won't improve. The good news is that his dude does NOT turn the ball over -- he was a ball handler on the Pistons but averaged only an anemic 1.1 TOs per game. But KCP's career PER is also an atrocious 11.7.

I meant interchangeably more in the defensive matchup sense, I think offensively Atkinson will go in with an open mind and see what works. That might result in KCP handling it less, it might result in him handling it more than he did in Detroit where SVG has roles very set. The main thing that's important is that KCP basically has the same length as LeVert and we know the main guys who they'll both be matched up with at SF/SG - Derozan, Hayward, etc. I think they can both play there most of the time and in the rarity that other teams go bigger they have RHJ.

Agreed... also with KCP as far as shooting efficinecy goes its less about handling the ball and more about shooting on the ball. if he handles it drive or drive and kick thats fine. its really the pull up twos and pull up threes that need to go.

[Prokorov]

Not really high on KCP. I just think we should be using our cap space as an asset - assuming Porter is matched. I loved Porter's game + fit, not sold on KCP.

The best young player we've acquired in some time was from taking on Mozgov's salary.

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If the TWolves will pony up that OKC 1st that would be great.

Recent dumps have worked out well.
The sixers went from the 5th pick to the 3rd pick because of the swap in that deal and then from 3rd to 1st because of the pick in that dump.
Detroit acquired Morris in a dump; flipped him for Avery Bradley yesterday

Would rather preserve cap space then spend a significant portion on KCP who doesn't move the needle too much; and I don't love the fit - he's never shot above 35% from 3 in a season.

yeah im not against taking ladrich for a first but we can do that AND sign KCP.

your not getting a player of KCP's calibur with the OKC pick

[Prokorov]

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oficially frees up the 3.2 million. we already had this as part of our calculation once we declined his option, but renouncing him takes his cap hit away.

a move/moves may be coming down soon

[Mkdaman1818]

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Interesting to see if this is genuine or if this is Miles' agent trying to put the screws to the Wolves

[Prokorov]

18 Pts, 4 rebs, 3 Stls vs Cavs game 3.

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the guy is a bulldog and we need that... we have 15 guys who work hard and compete on D... but other then Lin we dont really have that bulldog. i think that would help. him and Lin are at a compete level 10 all the time

[Prokorov]

Atlanta won't match the Hardaway offer sheet.

We might lose out on KCP now.


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i think we were more likely to move him if they DID match and then the knicks threw 20M + at KCP

[Prokorov]

Your not sure how he will improve?

I said, "Now, I'm sure KCP will improve."

Shooting 33% 3pt on 500 attempts would be no bueno for a $20mil player.

sorry, misread that.

33% on 500 temps, not good. 35% on 500 attempts is solid. 37% on 500 attempts would be awesome. 40% on 500 attemps is near elite.

obviously we are both speculating/projecting. but i just cant see him taking 150-200 on ball/non assited three point attemps here in the motion offense with Lin/Dlo?levet handling the ball a ton. and to me more catch and shoot for a guy who shot 45.2% on catch and shoot threes has to have a 1-3% impact on his 3point percentage.

[kerry kittles]

Not really high on KCP. I just think we should be using our cap space as an asset - assuming Porter is matched. I loved Porter's game + fit, not sold on KCP.

The best young player we've acquired in some time was from taking on Mozgov's salary.

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If the TWolves will pony up that OKC 1st that would be great.

Recent dumps have worked out well.
The sixers went from the 5th pick to the 3rd pick because of the swap in that deal and then from 3rd to 1st because of the pick in that dump.
Detroit acquired Morris in a dump; flipped him for Avery Bradley yesterday

Would rather preserve cap space then spend a significant portion on KCP who doesn't move the needle too much; and I don't love the fit - he's never shot above 35% from 3 in a season.

yeah im not against taking ladrich for a first but we can do that AND sign KCP.

your not getting a player of KCP's calibur with the OKC pick

Yes, we can definitely do both; I was moreso advocating keeping cap space to take on larger dumps for bigger/better assets than using our space on KCP

[Prokorov]

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Interesting to see if this is genuine or if this is Miles' agent trying to put the screws to the Wolves

I like miles. not sure i love the fit. he is kind of a microwave. fantastic 3point shooter. but 30 years old. kind of a gunner. id rather have kilpatrick on the minmum. CJ is bigger, not an awful defender like skil.

if we can get him for patrick patterson money (3/18) im cool with it. competitive dude.
more then that i probably pass

gettign him id think would have to spell the end ofr one of our wings/gaurds unless they think he can play the 4, then probably acy or hamilton gone

[Prokorov]

Not really high on KCP. I just think we should be using our cap space as an asset - assuming Porter is matched. I loved Porter's game + fit, not sold on KCP.

The best young player we've acquired in some time was from taking on Mozgov's salary.

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If the TWolves will pony up that OKC 1st that would be great.

Recent dumps have worked out well.
The sixers went from the 5th pick to the 3rd pick because of the swap in that deal and then from 3rd to 1st because of the pick in that dump.
Detroit acquired Morris in a dump; flipped him for Avery Bradley yesterday

Would rather preserve cap space then spend a significant portion on KCP who doesn't move the needle too much; and I don't love the fit - he's never shot above 35% from 3 in a season.

yeah im not against taking ladrich for a first but we can do that AND sign KCP.

your not getting a player of KCP's calibur with the OKC pick

Yes, we can definitely do both; I was moreso advocating keeping cap space to take on larger dumps for bigger/better assets than using our space on KCP

we would still have 10-16 million after a KCP signing, along with 15 million in expirings.

next year we would have 25-30 millon.

so KCP doesnt really effect us from salary dumps

[Papi_swav]

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yesssssssss this is the guy I wanted all along, but only if we miss out on KCP, much rather KCP now but I understand this move. Miles is a hard worker and can light it up ... he always kills us.

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[moonpie]

Today's the day when there's official confirmation on the Porter offer sheet right?

[Mkdaman1818]

Today's the day when there's official confirmation on the Porter offer sheet right?

I believe the wiz have to announce matching by tonight at 11:59 pm

[Prokorov]

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yesssssssss this is the guy I wanted all along, but only if we miss out on KCP, much rather KCP now but I understand this move. Miles is a hard worker and can light it up ... he always kills us.

yeah i almost want to sign him and Ilyasova so that they dont destroy us 8 times a year

I think we can get KCP and Miles.

Miles is coming off a 4/22 deal, is gonna be 30, and was a guy who came of the bench for the majority of the time... i think patrick patterson set his market. patterson had similar stats and is younger although CJ is a bit more explosive.

i think 3/18 to 3/24 gets it done. we could sign KCP for 16-22M and still get CJ at 8-10M and easily fit that under the cap